In this episode, Paula and Phil talk about the importance of the telephone in prison, and what better way to do that than to call up a few friends of the podcast?

Peter Yarwood, Chief Executive of Red Rose Recovery, author Rich Jones and Kemi Ryan, co-founder of Reformed Development, explain what the phone meant to them while they were in prison.

And Dr Kimmett Edgar, Head of Research at the Prison Reform Trust, is back to tell us more about how the pandemic has affected the ways people inside can speak to their loved ones.

Presenters: Phil Maguire and Paula Harriott Guests: Peter Yarwood, Dr Kimmett Edgar, Rich Jones and Kemi Ryan Producers: Louisa Adams and Andrew Wilkie

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