David Prescott (https://www.davidprescott.net/), Clinical Social Worker editor of Safer Society Press and international consultant talks about listening and we explore listening as we attend to how we listen to each other. I have the unfortunate experience of losing the mic and rely on my built-in laptop mic. Listening is truly difficult and David approaches this with a sense of humility. I start thinking about a Taxonomy of Listening… what kind of listening is called for in different situations. We discuss how challenging it is to listen to people who have committed sex crimes as a therapist, and David discusses how trying to understand the context and purpose of the offender’s words - how he fits into their life for one – can balance can balance the possible sympathy for that person and the role of reflection in listening. As a frequent laugher, we discuss the risk of laughter in conversation and how this can be misinterpreted.