"Curiosity isn't a soft skill. It's a performance capability—and organizations are paying the price for ignoring it." Summary

What if the most powerful leadership capability isn't having the right answers—but asking better questions? In this On the Brink with Andi Simon episode, Dr. Deborah Clary, author of The Curiosity Curve, explains why curiosity is a measurable driver of performance, engagement, and innovation—and how leaders can deliberately rebuild it to create stronger, more human-centered cultures.

Why Curiosity May Be the Missing Link in Leadership and Culture Change

In this episode of On the Brink with Andi Simon, I had the pleasure of speaking with Dr. Deborah Clary, author of The Curiosity Curve and a purpose-driven leader whose work sits at the intersection of leadership development, organizational culture, and performance. What emerged from our conversation was both refreshing and deeply needed: a reminder that curiosity—something many leaders unintentionally abandon as they rise—may be the very capability organizations need most right now .

Deborah's journey is anything but linear. Straight out of business school, she began her career not in a corporate office but as a route driver for Frito-Lay in Detroit—wearing a uniform, managing a route, and learning leadership from the inside out. That truck, she says, became her classroom. Over the next four decades, Deborah moved through senior roles at Coca-Cola, Jack Daniel's, and Humana, eventually earning a PhD focused on leadership development and organizational design. Yet it was her growing fascination with human behavior—what makes leaders effective and cultures thrive—that ultimately shaped her work today .

What Is Curiosity—Really?

Deborah defines curiosity simply but powerfully: being genuinely interested in yourself, in others, and in the situation at hand. It's not about having the right answers. It's about asking better questions—and staying open long enough to explore them.

That distinction matters, especially in organizations where leaders often believe their role is to know, decide, and direct. As Deborah shared, many leaders become "incurious" not because they lack interest, but because time pressures, performance demands, and past success reinforce the idea that they must always have the answer. Over time, curiosity is treated like a luxury—when in fact, research shows it is a driver of performance .

The Engagement Crisis—and Why Leaders Matter More Than Ever

One of the most striking parts of our conversation focused on employee disengagement. Gallup data shows engagement levels at historic lows, with millennials—now a critical segment of the leadership pipeline—showing especially high levels of disengagement. When Deborah and her research team conducted focus groups, they found a consistent theme: "My leader doesn't know me—and doesn't seem to care to know me."

This wasn't about surface-level recognition or personal details. Employees wanted leaders to be curious about their ideas, their aspirations, and how they could contribute meaningfully. In other words, they wanted leaders who asked thoughtful questions instead of simply providing directives.

Curiosity, Measured—and Made Actionable

What makes Deborah's work especially compelling is that curiosity isn't treated as a vague personality trait. Through a validated assessment, she measures curiosity across four dimensions:

• Exploration

• Openness to new ideas

• Inspirational creativity

• Focused engagement

In one executive team she worked with, the results revealed a powerful—and uncomfortable—truth. While most executives scored high in curiosity, the CEO did not. The organization was struggling with innovation, market share, and retention. When the data was shared openly, the CEO recognized that his resistance—not the team—was the bottleneck. His willingness to acknowledge this became a breakthrough moment for the organization .

That story underscores a central theme of the episode: leaders shape culture not by intention alone, but by how open—or closed—they are to curiosity.

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From Short-Term Answers to Long-Term Leadership

Curious leadership, Deborah explained, is about playing the long game. The short game is giving answers. The long game is exploring possibilities, testing ideas, and learning from outcomes—even when they fail.

This requires psychological safety. Leaders must normalize statements like, "I don't know—let's explore this together."When leaders model curiosity, they give others permission to think, experiment, and grow. Over time, this builds confidence, ownership, and engagement across the organization .

Why This Matters Now?

In fast-changing markets, yesterday's solutions rarely solve tomorrow's problems. Yet many organizations still rely on outdated assumptions, rigid hierarchies, and fear of failure. As an anthropologist, I see this pattern often: cultures resist change even when change is essential.

Curiosity interrupts that pattern. It helps leaders see what they've been missing, hear voices that have been quiet, and test new ways forward. In Deborah's words, curiosity is contagious—and learnable. It can be rebuilt, one question at a time.

If you're a leader navigating uncertainty, disengaged teams, or stalled innovation, this conversation offers both insight and hope. You don't need all the answers. But you do need the courage to ask better questions.

And that may be exactly what helps you—and your organization—get off the brink.

For more about Debra Clary, check out her website and LinkedIn Page.

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From Observation to Innovation,

Andi Simon, PhD

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"People aren't broken," she told me. "Our job is not to fix them. It's to hold them whole and complete."

On this episode of On the Brink, I had the privilege of speaking with a remarkable woman whose life journey embodies resilience, reinvention, and the profound power of choosing joy. Nicki Keohohou—bestselling author, award-winning entrepreneur, global speaker, and founder of Coach School—joined me from her home in Hawaii to reflect on the experiences that shaped her, the wisdom she teaches, and the mindset shifts we all need in today's uncertain world.

Nicki's path wasn't linear. She began as a teacher helping children build self-esteem and confidence. She later moved into her family's business, then into the world of direct selling, where she discovered her love for helping people grow. That passion evolved into founding the Direct Selling Women's Alliance and ultimately creating Coach School—programs that train leaders, educators, executives, and couples to coach through empathy, inquiry, and empowerment rather than advice-giving.

What unifies Nicki's story is a belief that has guided her since childhood: life is abundant, people are capable, and every moment contains a choice.

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The Power of Coaching: Asking Instead of Telling

Nicki admits she wasn't a natural coach at first. Like many leaders, she began by telling people what to do. But she soon realized that the most powerful breakthroughs happen when people discover their own answers.

She teaches coaching not just to executives, but to educators, medical professionals, sales teams—and even couples—because the skill of asking empowering questions transforms how people think, communicate, and relate.

Her philosophy is simple: When people find their own solutions, they own them. And when they own them, they act.

Why We're All Struggling Right Now

Nicki works around the world, and she sees what many of us feel: people are more anxious, overwhelmed, and uncertain than ever. The economy, politics, global tensions, and constant disruption amplify our sense of helplessness.

Her response? A model she teaches called "the bagel."

• The outer ring—the disempowerment zone—contains everything we cannot control (other people's opinions, world events, the economy, traffic, the past).

• The center—the empowerment zone—holds what we can control (our thoughts, our choices, our words, our actions, the meaning we assign to events).

Most people live on the outer ring. Nicki helps them move to the center.

How to Shift Your Mindset (Even in Hard Times)

Many of Nicki's insights come from deeply personal experiences—including a devastating fall in Dubai that led to multiple surgeries, months of rehabilitation, and time spent in a nursing home. Instead of asking "Why me?" she asked: "What can I do with this situation?"

She coached the staff. She uplifted patients. She even unknowingly taught a woman through the wall who listened to every class and filled an entire notebook with lessons.

Her message is clear: You may not choose what happens to you, but you always choose how you respond.

Key Takeaways from Nicki Keohohou 1. Happiness is a choice—and a practice.

You can always look for what's wrong or what's right. Your mind will believe whichever story you tell it.

2. What you feed your mind at night shapes your next day.

Avoid violent TV, tense news, or negative scrolling before bed. Instead ask:

• What is the best thing that happened today?

• What am I grateful for?

3. Self-coaching questions can instantly shift your emotional state.

Try:

• How would I prefer to feel right now?

• What's the opposite of this thought?

• What do I actually have control over in this moment?

4. Joy compounds when shared.

A smile, a kind comment, or a small gesture changes not just someone else's day—it elevates your own.

5. Simplicity reduces stress.

Choose calm over drama. Choose presence over pressure. Choose perspective over frustration.

Actionable Advice You Can Use Today 1. Start your morning with intention.

Ask:

• What am I excited about today?

• Whose life can I make better today?

2. Create an accomplishment list—not a to-do list.

• Shift from obligation to opportunity.

3. Practice the "bagel model."

Whenever stress rises, pause and ask:

• Is this in the empowerment zone? Or the disempowerment zone? If you can't control it—redirect your energy.

4. Adopt the "rain mindset."

• Instead of "Ugh, it's raining," try: "The rain is feeding my flowers." Reframe, and your brain will follow.

5. Give gratitude away freely.

• Say thank you. Compliment someone. Share something small. Science tells us that gratitude boosts the giver's happiness even more than the receiver's.

Final Thoughts

Nicki's story is a radiant reminder that your reality is shaped by the narrative you choose. You can choose joy. You can choose possibility. You can choose to smile at strangers and uplift the people around you. And you can choose to rewrite your story—every morning and every night.

As she told me, "Bring joy and give joy. It doesn't cost anything."

If you'd like to learn more or reach Nicki directly, you can find her at: [email protected] or call (800) 856-1662 (Hawaii time!).

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  • On the Brink: A Fresh Lens to Take Your Business to New Heights

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The first step to transformation is to stop doing what no longer works." – Marcia Daszko

On this episode of On the Brink with Andi Simon, I sat down with Marcia Daszko, a visionary leadership consultant and author of Pivot, Disrupt, Transform: How Leaders Beat the Odds and Survive. Marcia's journey—from being "excruciatingly shy" to mentoring leaders at Apple, Boeing, and the U.S. Navy—reveals a rare combination of courage, curiosity, and clarity. Her lessons, rooted in the teachings of Dr. W. Edwards Deming, challenge leaders to abandon outdated management practices and embrace a deeper, systems-based way of thinking.

From Management Fads to Meaningful Leadership

Marcia began her career in marketing before being mentored by Dr. Perry Gluckman, a close associate of Dr. Deming, who revolutionized management thinking through systems theory and continuous improvement. What she learned was not just what to do, but how to think.

Too often, organizations chase the latest management fad—Six Sigma, Lean, "best practices"—without understanding the systems that create real success. Marcia calls these "tragedies" because they add complexity without meaning. She estimates that 50 to 80 percent of organizational waste comes from such misguided efforts.

Her process begins with a bold question: "What do we need to stop doing?" Once leaders remove what's not working, they can open the flow of communication, creativity, and collaboration—what Marcia calls the "system of profound knowledge." When systems make sense, people thrive.

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Like many of my guests, Marcia helps organizations "see, feel, and think" in new ways. She starts by asking questions that uncover hidden assumptions and systemic barriers. Employees usually know what's wrong, she says, but no one listens.

When she leads workshops, she doesn't rely on PowerPoint slides. Instead, she creates experiences—conversations, simulations, and reflections—that shift perspectives. "I don't get resistance," she explains, "because the exercises take care of that."

It's an anthropologist's insight wrapped in a strategist's toolkit: people don't change because they're told to—they change because they experience a new way of being together.

The Strategic Compass for an Uncertain Future

In today's world of disruption, Marcia argues that leaders don't need a roadmap—they need a compass. The future can't be predicted; it must be navigated through exploration, experimentation, and learning. Her Strategic Compass helps executives pivot as they encounter new "rivers and mountains" in their business landscape.

Leadership, she reminds us, is not about control but curiosity. The most powerful organizations foster environments where everyone can learn, question, and contribute. Her three "legs of the stool" are:

1. Innovation as a business strategy
2. Continuous improvement as a business strategy
3. Quality as a business strategy

Sadly, she says, quality and customer service—once foundational to success—have too often been forgotten.

Building a Culture of Trust and Curiosity

Both Marcia and I share a passion for culture change. She emphasizes that great leaders reduce fear and build trust. When people feel safe, they can be curious and collaborative. It's not enough to post company values on a wall; leaders must define the behaviors that bring those values to life.

Her workshops often transform even the most rigid workplaces. In one session, an employee of 15 years said it was the first time he had felt truly appreciated and engaged. That's the power of inclusion, curiosity, and respect in action.

Leading in the Age of AI

As we discussed the rise of artificial intelligence, Marcia was unequivocal: "If you're afraid of AI, you'll be left behind." She sees AI not as a threat but as a tool for learning and transformation. The challenge, she warns, is to build guardrails—policies and ethics that guide its use responsibly.

In an age when consulting firms can generate proposals in minutes, leaders must rethink how people create value. The winners will be those who empower their teams to use new tools, think critically, and continuously learn.

Key Takeaways

• Stop before you start. Identify and eliminate wasteful management practices that add complexity without results.
• Think in systems. Every part of your organization is interconnected. Problems are rarely isolated.
• Create flow. Open channels for communication, creativity, and collaboration.
• Replace fear with trust. People thrive when they feel safe to contribute.
• Stay curious. Learning is not a phase—it's a way of life.
• Use AI wisely. Embrace new tools, but balance innovation with ethical governance.

What You Can Do Next

1. Run a "Stop Doing" audit. Gather your team and list processes or habits that no longer serve your mission. Eliminate one per quarter.
2. Host a curiosity circle. Ask open-ended questions like, "What assumptions are we making?" or "What would our customers say if they were in this room?"
3. Map your system. Visualize how information, decisions, and accountability flow. Look for bottlenecks or blind spots.
4. Pair technology with humanity. Use AI or analytics to inform—not replace—human judgment.
5. Model the behavior you want to see. As Marcia says, leadership begins when everyone sees themselves as a leader.

Marcia Daszko's work reminds us that transformation is not about new tools—it's about new thinking. If you're ready to pivot from managing the past to creating the future, this episode will show you how.

To learn more about Marcia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marciadaszko/

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  • Rethink: Smashing the Myths of Women in Business
  • Women Mean Business: Over 500 Insights from Extraordinary Leaders to Spark Your Success
  • On the Brink: A Fresh Lens to Take Your Business to New Heights

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What happens when two powerful women—one a psychologist devoted to leadership transformation and the other a CEO who grew up in a family-run business—join forces to rethink what it means to lead? They discover the "Sixth Level" of Leadership!

On this episode of On the Brink, Stacy Feiner, PsyD and Rachel Wallis Andreasson, MBA invite us to imagine leadership not as a position of power, but as a practice rooted in purpose, connection and care.

The Birth of the Sixth Level

Stacy Feiner, a high-performance psychologist and coach, has long focused on helping family and mid-market companies unlock the emotional dynamics that drive sustainable success. Her fascination with human potential began early—her mother introduced her to the groundbreaking Self-in-Relation theory at Wellesley's Stone Center, which challenged male-centered models of psychology and placed women's experiences at the center of understanding human behavior.

From that foundation grew The Sixth Level: Capitalize on the Power of Women's Psychology for Sustainable Leadership, co-authored with Rachel Wallis Andreasson, Kathy Overbeke, DBA, and Jack Harris, PhD. The book expands on the belief that women's relational intelligence—empathy, collaboration, and the ethic of care—is not a deviation from leadership excellence but its evolution.

Watch our video on Sixth Level Leadership here

From Gas Station to $2 Billion Company

Rachel Wallis Andreasson's story grounds those ideas in lived experience. The daughter of a gas-station owner on Route 66, she watched her father grow one small shop into a company now approaching $2 billion in annual sales. He modeled three values that remain central to her leadership: a strong work ethic, genuine care for people, and shared ownership through open communication.

"When my dad walked into one of our stores," she recalls, "he didn't just check the numbers—he asked employees for their opinions. And then he used their ideas."

Rachel worked for her family business for 24 years, rising to CEO and overseeing more than 1,100 employees. She is most proud of the cultural integration of the largest and most strategic acquisition of the company's history. Rachel builds cultures where people feel seen, heard, and trusted. Her philosophy mirrors her father's wisdom—lead by example, connect with authenticity, and invite others to own the company's success.

The Four Core Differentiators of Sixth-Level Leadership

At the heart of The Sixth Level are four principles that originate in women's social-psychology and form the basis of transformational leadership:

1. Mutuality — Two-way empathy and shared purpose that align people behind a common vision.
2. Ingenuity — Creative problem-solving that benefits the collective, not just the individual.
3. Justness — Inclusion, accountability and equity built on transparency and trust.
4. Intrinsic Motivation — Leading from within, not for external reward or authority.

These are not soft skills—they are strategic capabilities that strengthen performance, retention, and resilience. "Accountability," Feiner explains, "doesn't start at the end of a project. It begins at the beginning, as a promise we make to each other to achieve success together."

A Story of Transformation

One of the book's most vivid case studies features Lisa, president of a rural Missouri hospital. Stepping into her role during the height of COVID-19, she found a demoralized staff, fragmented teams, and exhausted caregivers.

Instead of imposing control, Lisa began by listening. She conducted open "snack-cart sessions" with employees, asking questions, sharing food, and gathering stories. From those conversations came a rallying cry—One Heart, One Team.

Lisa modeled the change she wanted to see, shadowing every department, empowering cross-functional collaboration, and celebrating ingenuity at every level. The results were astonishing: record financial performance, unprecedented patient-satisfaction scores, and a palpable sense of unity across the hospital.

"Transformation," says Andreasson, "is tangible. When you walk into that hospital today, you feel the caring culture. You feel 'One Heart, One Team.' "

Beyond Self-Awareness to Relational Awareness

Feiner believes traditional leadership training—often built on male norms—emphasizes self-control and individual performance. The Sixth Level expands that frame to relational awareness: how leaders build trust, reciprocity, and shared accountability.

"We've been taught that leadership is about dominance and hierarchy," she says. "But sustainable success comes from mutuality—the capacity to care for others while driving results. Everyone can learn it. It's a human capability."

A Model for All Leaders

Although the book is rooted in women's social-psychology, both authors stress it is not for women only. Men thrive in Sixth Level environments too. "Command-and-control cultures haven't served anyone," Feiner notes. "When we bring the full picture—empathetic and analytical thinking together—we create workplaces where everyone can flourish."

Andreasson agrees: "Culture is the secret weapon. The Sixth Level isn't a theory—it's a roadmap for building engaged teams, inclusive organizations, and caring communities."

Rethinking What Leadership Looks Like

As I reflected at the end of the conversation, the Sixth Level calls us to re-imagine leadership "not as power, but as purpose, connection, and deep relational intelligence." It's an invitation for all leaders—men and women alike—to claim a model that validates empathy, communication, and community as powerful drivers of performance.

Perhaps the truest measure of success is what both Feiner and Andreasson have modeled themselves: leading with heart, lifting others, and proving that when we care for people, performance naturally follows.

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On this episode of On the Brink, I sat down with Dr. Max Teplitski—Chief Science Officer at the International Fresh Produce Association (IFPA)—to explore how a mindset is reshaping food safety, member value, and the future of a global industry. Max has practiced Blue Ocean thinking since his days as a professor, and today he's applying it at scale across a trade association that represents the entire fresh produce supply chain—from seed and inputs to retailers worldwide.

From Competing to Creating: IFPA's Three Strategic Pillars

Rather than fighting for attention in crowded "red oceans," IFPA reframed growth around three pillars that create new value for members and consumers alike:

1. Future-proofing the industry amid climate volatility, supply chain complexity, and labor constraints.
2. Worldwide influence for a global industry, recognizing interconnected markets and trade rules.
3. Personalized member experience at scale—so each company (and individual) gets relevant, timely insight.

This is classic Blue Ocean Strategy®: reduce what no longer adds value, eliminate legacy activities that drain resources, raise what customers truly care about, and create new offerings that unlock demand.

Want a concise primer? Read our FAQ: What is Blue Ocean Strategy and Why It's the Smartest Way to Rethink Growth

Personalization at Scale: AI That Stays Inside the (Trusted) Data

One of IFPA's boldest moves is an AI-powered intelligence engine built on verified, curated data. Members can ask context-rich questions—"I'm in the Florida Panhandle planting winter crops; should I prioritize Asian greens, spinach, or baby lettuce?"—and receive synthesized answers spanning consumer trends, point-of-sale data, and operational considerations. The goal isn't more email; it's relevance on demand.

This same platform enables on-demand micro-training. Need a five-minute safety huddle for a harvest crew—in Portuguese? The agent can generate it instantly from vetted guidance. That's value innovation: meeting real-world needs at the moment of work.

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Because most fresh produce is consumed raw, food safety is a shared responsibility between the producer and the consumer. IFPA's "supply chain of the future" work extends beyond traceability to quality, shelf-life, and incentives. With lot-level tracking and standardized practices—from field handwashing stations to controlled processing protocols—the industry continues to elevate both safety and transparency while extracting actionable value from the data generated along the way.

Advocacy and a Community of Practice

Some work will never be outsourced to algorithms. Advocacy—telling the industry's story to regulators and decision-makers—remains human, relational, and essential. In parallel, IFPA is designing a community of practice for food safety and sustainability professionals. Whether virtual, in-person, or hybrid, the north star is the same: connect practitioners to share what works, accelerate learning, and scale innovation.

Culture Eats Strategy (and Then Powers It)

Max underscores a truth we see in every successful transformation: strategy only sticks when culture supports it. IFPA treats culture as a system—meeting quarterly to practice competencies such as trust, communication, and agility, and to build behaviors into everyone's plan. That operating rhythm makes it easier to reduce or eliminate legacy programs and redirect resources toward higher-value offerings without losing the organization in the process.

Three Takeaways You Can Use Now

1. Stop competing; start creating. Use the Four Actions Framework to eliminate, reduce, raise, and build around what your customers actually value.
2. Deliver relevance at the moment of need. Move from content push to context-aware personalization (AI helps when it's grounded in trustworthy data).
3. Design for culture change, not just strategy change. Build the muscle—trust, communication, and agility—so your team can live the strategy.

Blue Ocean Strategy isn't about inventing the next iPhone; it's about assembling a thoughtful portfolio that meets unmet needs better, faster, and more sustainably than the market expects. IFPA's journey shows how nonprofits and associations can open new market space—not by shouting louder, but by serving smarter.

Further reading: FAQ – What is Blue Ocean Strategy and Why It's the Smartest Way to Rethink Growth

And our white paper: Time to Find Your Blue Ocean Strategy

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  • Women Mean Business: Over 500 Insights from Extraordinary Leaders to Spark Your Success
  • On the Brink: A Fresh Lens to Take Your Business to New Heights

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Peace Through Business: Building Peace by Empowering Women Entrepreneurs

In a world often torn by conflict, peace through business may sound like a lofty goal. Yet for nearly two decades, that's exactly what Dr. Terry Neese , Monica Smiley, and the Peace Through Business Program have been accomplishing—helping women in Afghanistan, Rwanda, and now Uganda rise as entrepreneurs, leaders, and community changemakers.

In the final episode of my three-part Peace Through Business podcast series, I was joined by Monica Smiley, president and founder of the Enterprising Women Foundation and publisher and CEO of Enterprising Women magazine. Monica, a long-time champion of women entrepreneurs worldwide, shared the remarkable journey of Dr. Neese, the founder of Peace Through Business, and how the Enterprising Women Foundation has joined forces to carry that mission forward.

A Vision Born from a Call to Action

The story began nearly twenty years ago when First Lady Laura Bush called Terry Neese with a bold request: travel with her to Afghanistan to help empower women through entrepreneurship. Despite her husband's warnings about the risks, Terry packed her bags and boarded a plane. What she witnessed changed her life.

Soon after, she founded the Peace Through Business Program under the IEEW banner—a leadership and entrepreneurship training initiative designed to equip women in post-conflict nations with the tools to rebuild their lives and their communities through business ownership.

Terry was no stranger to pioneering women's initiatives. She had co-founded Women Impacting Public Policy (WIPP), served as a president of NAWBO (National Association of Women Business Owners), and played a pivotal role in passing H.R. 5050, the landmark legislation often called the "Big Bang" of women's entrepreneurship by creating the National Women's Business Council, laying the groundwork for a network of Women's Business Centers across the nation, and changing archaic laws that kept women from getting credit in their own names. From her base in Oklahoma City, this native of Cookie Town, Oklahoma, went on to build a global movement rooted in one core belief: economic empowerment is the path to peace.

From Afghanistan to Rwanda: Courage in Action

What began as a training program for Afghan women quickly expanded. Within a year, Peace Through Business added Rwanda, a country rebuilding after the genocide that took more than 800,000 lives.

"In Rwanda," Monica shared, "women literally held up the sky after the genocide." Many were left as heads of households and community leaders. With support from Peace Through Business, these women learned to create sustainable enterprises that fueled their country's recovery. Rwanda is now one of the few nations in the world where women hold a majority in Parliament, a testament to their determination and leadership.

One unforgettable example is Chantal, a graduate of the program who turned a personal crisis into opportunity. After a car accident left her vehicle stranded abroad for repairs, she realized there were no local body shops. Determined to change that, she founded the first woman-owned auto repair business in Rwanda—and even created the National Garage Owners Association to help others follow her lead.

When Monica presented Chantal with the Enterprising Woman of the Year Award, both women were moved to tears. "She had lost over 200 family members during the genocide," Monica recalled. "It was the only time I've ever broken down during a speech. The resilience of these women is indescribable."

Adapting and Persevering Through Crisis

The fall of Afghanistan to the Taliban in 2021 brought enormous challenges. The program's Afghan director, Manizha, happened to be in the U.S. when the country collapsed. She immediately called her team, instructing them to destroy records to protect participants from reprisal. In the days that followed, Peace Through Business helped over 300 graduates escape the country while continuing to support those who remained.

Today, the Afghan program operates entirely online. The women meet virtually several times a week in a ten-week course covering business planning, marketing, finance, taxation, and leadership. Because many participants lack internet access, the program covers their connectivity costs. As Monica noted, "It's like a mini-MBA. The women are committed attendance is strict, there are assignments, tests, and business plans are developed."

Graduates then join the Peace Through Business Alumni Association, where they mentor other women and "pay it forward." The results have been extraordinary: alumnae have launched new ventures, expanded into export markets, and even entered politics as ministers and policymakers.

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A Call to Action: Women Helping Women

Monica's message is clear—these programs depend on us. With cutbacks to international aid, nonprofit funding is tighter than ever, even as demand grows. "We had 124 Afghan women apply for 35 openings this year," she said. "The need is overwhelming."

Every dollar and every mentor counts. Mentors are matched virtually with entrepreneurs to share expertise and encouragement. Donations go directly toward training, internet access, and modest stipends for local program directors like Manizha and Chantal, who continue to risk so much for others.

Monica's organization, Enterprising Women Foundation, now hosts the Peace Through Business program, helping amplify its reach and celebrating its graduates at the annual Enterprising Women of the Year Awards. The partnership exemplifies how women lifting women can create ripple effects across continents—building stronger families, economies, and, ultimately, peace.

Building Peace, One Business at a Time

As I closed our conversation, I reflected on how deeply these women embody resilience and hope. Their stories remind us that peace is not simply the absence of conflict—it is the presence of opportunity.

When women gain access to education, mentorship, and entrepreneurship, they transform not only their own lives but the futures of entire communities. Programs like Peace Through Business show that empowering women economically is one of the most powerful peace strategies in the world.

The program is now operating in Canada and the United Kingdom. It is mostly serving immigrant women entrepreneurs from around the globe who have moved to those countries and need the Peace Through Business training. The Program is becoming truly global.

If you would like to support or mentor women through the Peace Through Business program, visit Enterprising Women Foundation at www.enterprisingwomenfoundation. Together, we can build peace—one woman, one business, and one community at a time.

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• Email: [email protected]
• Books: Learn more about our books here:
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Peace Through Business: How Women in Rwanda and Afghanistan Are Rebuilding Nations Through Entrepreneurship

In this special episode of On the Brink with Andi Simon, I continue our series spotlighting Peace Through Business, a remarkable program empowering women entrepreneurs in Afghanistan, Rwanda, and beyond. The stories are profound, the impact undeniable, and the lessons universal: when women rise, entire nations begin to heal and prosper.

As a corporate anthropologist and Blue Ocean Strategist, I want to remind us at the start:

"When you invest in a woman entrepreneur, you invest in her family, her community, and her country's future."

This conversation brings together Monica Smiley, publisher of Enterprising Women Magazine; Chantal Munanayire, Peace Through Business Program Director for Rwanda, Uganda, Canada, and the UK; and Manisha Wafeq, who leads the Afghanistan initiative. Each share not only how the program works but how it transforms lives — economically, socially, and spiritually.

Creating Peace Through Business

When Enterprising Women Foundation assumed stewardship of Peace Through Business in 2024, it became the natural extension of its mission to empower women globally.

Monica Smiley explains that Enterprising Women began 25 years ago as a publication to celebrate women entrepreneurs but soon evolved into a global movement. "About 12 years ago," she recalls, "we launched the Enterprising Women Foundation to mentor girls in underserved communities across 30 U.S. cities. Then, by inheriting the Peace Through Business program, we broadened our mission — from helping American women entrepreneurs to supporting women rebuilding countries after conflict."

Originally founded by Dr. Terry Neese at the request of former First Lady Laura Bush, the Peace Through Business program provides an intensive education in entrepreneurship, leadership, and civic responsibility. It began in Afghanistan, where women were often excluded from public life, and expanded into Rwanda, a country rebuilding its social and economic fabric after the 1994 genocide.

Monica remembers traveling to Rwanda in 2014 and again in 2018. "The transformation in just four years was stunning," she says. "There were new hotels, a thriving convention center, and a new sense of hope. Women who once dreamed of a single business now run two or three. They are not waiting to be rescued — they are building the future themselves."

Chantal's Journey: From Survivor to Mentor

Few embody that spirit more than Chantal Munanayire. A survivor of Rwanda's genocide, Chantal rebuilt her life — and her country — one business at a time. In 2009, she broke barriers by opening the first woman-owned car repair and paint shop in Kigali, the capital city.

"When I began, I didn't even know what a business plan was," she says with a laugh. "I was passionate but directionless. Through Peace Through Business, I learned to plan, to lead, and to see my company as separate from myself. That gave me freedom — and power."

Today, Chantal runs the program across several countries and has mentored hundreds of women. "The women who come to us are determined but often afraid," she explains. "We teach them to turn that fear into focus. Once they succeed, they return to mentor others. That's how we build a sisterhood."

She shares stories of women who began as small vendors and now own supermarkets, or dairy farmers who built shopping centers. "When one woman thrives, she brings ten others along," Chantal says. "That's how you build a country."

Education, Mentorship, and Advocacy

Peace Through Business unfolds in three powerful stages:

1. Education– Ten weeks of in-country classes covering marketing, finance, leadership, and business planning.
2. Leadership Development– A cultural and professional exchange in the U.S., where top graduates attend the Enterprising Women Conference to meet mentors and global leaders.
3. Pay It Forward– Graduates return home to mentor others, advocate for policy reform, and expand the reach of women in leadership.

As Manisha Wafeq explains, "This is not a one-week seminar. It's a life-changing journey. Our women become educators, activists, and community builders. They learn that business is not only about profit — it's about peace. And after they graduate, they pay their knowledge forward to other women and join our alumni association."

A Call to Action: Supporting Women Who Change the World

The episode closes with a powerful reflection from Monica and Andi: sustainable change requires participation. The program's impact depends on mentorship, funding, and global awareness.

"This is a Blue Ocean in action," says Andi Simon. "These women are not competing in crowded markets. They're creating new ones — new industries, new opportunities, new futures."

Monica adds, "We've given the Enterprising Women of the Year award to one Afghan and one Rwandan woman annually for nearly two decades. Seeing them stand on stage in front of hundreds of cheering peers brings me to tears every time. But we need more hands and hearts to keep the program thriving."

Every contribution — financial or personal — helps sustain the work. Donations go directly to scholarships, training, and travel for participants. Mentors provide guidance and connection, bridging continents through compassion and shared purpose.

To learn more or contribute, visit EnterprisingWomenFoundation.org.

Why These Stories Matter

For Andi Simon, this episode isn't just another interview — it's a reflection of what anthropology teaches us about change: that transformation begins when people reimagine what's possible.

"Change happens," Andi concludes, "when we stop waiting for permission and start creating possibilities. These women are doing exactly that. They're rewriting the story of what it means to lead, to heal, and to build peace through business."

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When it comes to peacebuilding, business might not be the first answer that springs to mind.

But for almost two decades, the Peace Through Business program has proved empowering women entrepreneurs is one of the most effective ways to repair broken societies. This was the first webinar in a series of three aimed at introducing people to the program's roots in Afghanistan, the women whose lives were changed and how urgently this work needs continued support - and growth.

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From Vision to Reality

The Peace Through Business program was started by Dr. Terry Neese nearly 20 years ago at the suggestion of First Lady Laura Bush. The aim was humble but audacious: to empower Afghan women to enter their country's economic life, become business leaders and play a role in rebuilding a nation emerging from the darkness of Taliban rule.

The public-private aspect of this from the very beginning made it different. This autonomy enabled the program to be flexible, creative and genuinely responsive to women. It also espoused a philosophy of paying it forward — the graduates were urged to not only expand their own businesses, but also to be advocates for others and create policies that would lift up other women across Afghanistan.

Peace Through Business Program with Lasting Impact

More than 900 Afghan women have been trained and mentored through Peace Through Business since 2007. These women are one of a kind trailblazers in every way. They have started Afghanistan's first printing press owned by women, established women's gyms to encourage health, ventured into logistics companies and forged a path into fields once thought inappropriate.

One alum alone, for instance, sold her jewelry to fund a dried fruit-exporter dream. With the support of the program, she developed a business plan, figured out how to negotiate with international buyers and eventually, became one of the country's top exporters — until Taliban control prompted her to shut down operations. Today, she is building again, with resilience and strength.

Other graduates teamed up to form the country's first Afghanistan Women's Chamber of Commerce and Industry. This advocacy group turned into the Afghan Women's Chamber of Commerce and Industry, which helped influence national trade policy, procurement laws and industrial land allocation processes — to ensure that women business owners were included in plans for the future.

These are not small wins. They embody seismic cultural changes in a country where women were once banished from public life.

Persevering Amid Crisis

This whole success story was upended on August 15, 2021, when the Taliban reconquered Afghanistan. Decades of advances for women were rolled back in a single day.

Gender Apartheid

Since then, more than 130 decrees have curtailed women's rights, whatever those might be to a Muslim cleric in this type of Islamic state.

But the women of Peace Through Business aren't ready to quit. Many are now operating home-based businesses, needing little more than a smart phone to connect with trainers and mentors. Former college professors, nonprofit workers and government employees — now unable to practice their professions — are remaking themselves as entrepreneurs. Their steadfastness to create livelihoods for themselves and others is an act of resistance and hope.

Training That Changes Lives

At its essence, Peace Through Business is more than a workshop or a certificate program. It's a meticulously planned learning trajectory. The participants acquire practical business skills — from writing business plans, to marketing and export. They are matched with mentors, often through virtual "e-mentoring," enabling supporters from across the world to walk alongside them in their growth.

Above all graduates take with them more than knowledge. They come away with a sisterhood —women committed to lifting one another. It's this network that supports them through hard times and drives the ripple effect of change in their community.

Why Now Matters--Why You Matter More Than Ever

This year, more than 120 Afghan women applied for just 35 slots in the program. Demand is exponentially greater than supply at present. In a world where Afghanistan is fading from the headlines, never has the help been needed more.

"There is no other program that rivals it," Monica Smiley, publisher of Enterprising Women and president of the Enterprising Women Foundation said in a webinar, "No matter where you are or what your career is … if you really want to make a difference in this world — significant difference — I can't think of a better example than the Peace Through Business program."

How You Can Help

Afghan women are not seeking charity, they are asking for opportunity. And we can help provide it. With a contribution, you are providing support for training programs, mentoring and small grants that enable women to begin or rebuild businesses. When you volunteer as a mentor, you're sharing your experience, reinforcing courage and sounding a voice for the cause.

Every donation or hour of volunteers time offers a lifeline to women who refuse to be silenced, women who are making jobs happen and changing policy plus in spite of impossible odds keeping hope alive.

Join Us

Learn more, donate or volunteer as a mentor at Enterprising Women Foundation. Together we can make sure that the voices and visions of Afghan women entrepreneurs are not just heard, but magnified.

For when women succeed, communities succeed. And when peace is constructed through business it happens to be lasting.

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  • Rethink: Smashing the Myths of Women in Business
  • Women Mean Business: Over 500 Insights from Extraordinary Leaders to Spark Your Success
  • On the Brink: A Fresh Lens to Take Your Business to New Heights

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On this episode of On the Brink with Andi Simon, I had the pleasure of speaking with Alan Gregerman, an internationally recognized authority on business strategy, innovation, and the hidden potential within all of us. Known as the "Robin Williams of Business Consulting," Alan brings humor, humanity, and deep insight into how we can adapt, grow, and innovate in a world changing faster than ever before.

I couldn't wait to share this podcast with you! My friend and innovation mentor, Alan Gregerman, joined me on On the Brink with Andi Simon for a stimulating conversation that digs into the interesting challenges facing all those who want to find their own best way of innovating. The "Robin Williams of Business Consulting," Alan injects humor, humanity, and leading-edge thinking into the brutal truth about how we need to adapt, change & innovate so now we win in a world changing faster than ever.

Alan's latest book, "The Wisdom of Ignorance: Why Not Knowing Can Be a Catalyst for Innovation in an Uncertain World," reminds us that our lack of knowledge can be the source of the greatest discovery. During our conversation, we discussed his unique personal journey, his desire to help others reinvent themselves, and the most critical skills for all of us to cultivate to succeed in a world of disruptions.

Curiosity Begins Early

Alan revealed that his interest in other cultures began in early life. His mother, a specialist in world history, and one cherished gift — an atlas — prompted him never to stop learning and exploring. That early sense of curiosity would eventually form the basis of his career: to help businesses and individuals look beyond what they know, he tells them, to find new ideas in unexpected places.

This investigative spirit has characterized his writing, from Lessons from the Sandbox (about reclaiming the creativity of childhood) to Surrounded by Geniuses (on how ordinary people and ideas can spur innovation) to The Necessity of Strangers (for why we must connect with people unlike ourselves). Now, with The Wisdom of Ignorance, he contends that expertise is not sufficient: we must develop the courage to say "I don't know" and use that humility to drive our future expos.

Why Adults Resist Change

A common refrain in our conversations was how hard it is to make a change. Alan reminded us that whereas 10% of people are quick to embrace new concepts, and another 10% resist vigorously, the rest of us tend to be somewhere in between. This resistance is not only cultural — it's neurological. Because our brains are wired to conserve energy, they will always prefer established habits over new things to learn.

It's why Alan emphasized that innovation frequently demands creating small, quantifiable experiments. We can try ideas out incrementally rather than insisting on wholesale change overnight. These experiments help build confidence, reduce fear, and allow us to adjust more organically to the world as it changes.

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Wisdom of Ignorance

Alan's methodology is based on what he dubs the six fundamental skills for flourishing in uncertain times. Central to them is purpose. Without something transformative and exciting enough to wake up for, innovation merely wanders around aimlessly. Clarity of purpose, whether it's in a for-profit or not-for-profit organization, is what leads to curiosity and experimentation, which begets growth.

"When I speak with people at non-profits, one of the common themes you'll hear is a greater sense of purpose than businesses," Alan says that both sectors need to revisit and sharpen their "why constantly." "Best is a space that's kind of a moving target," as he put it. What works today is no guarantee of relevance tomorrow, and without purpose, even the greatest idea can lose its impact.

The Six Essential Capabilities of an Innovative Organization

Alan boiled it down to six related skills - all of which are the building blocks of his book and consulting practice:

1. Purposefulness – Commit to something worth doing that is meaningful.

2. Curiosity – Ask for inspiration and you will find it, remembering that behind most great ideas is the thinking of others.

3. Humility – Acknowledge we don't have all the answers, discovery starts with an open mind.

4. Respect – Respect everybody and everything, they are coming from somewhere unexpected.

5. Focus Forward – Peer into the future with a focus on newer trends, cultures, and ideas.

6. Paranoia: Stay aware of the fact that competitors and threats are always on your heels.

These habits together prompt us to adopt what Santayana gleefully termed "enlightened ignorance" — a stance that appreciates not knowing as yet as the beginning rather than the end of knowledge.

Lessons for Leaders

As an anthropologist, Alan's take felt eerily familiar. We both believe that growth is often staring organizations in the face, disguised in plain sight — if only they can look beyond their routines and assumptions. Leaders need to push teams out of their comfort zones, provoke new ways of thinking, and acknowledge progress along the journey.

Alan cautioned us that our customers aren't loyal because they're devoted to us — they stay with us because switching to another provider seems more complex. But they'll leave as soon as something better comes along. Innovation, therefore, isn't optional. It's survival.

Human-Centered Change

All this talk of disruption nowadays is mainly centered on technology — and current trend words like AI, Bitcoin, blockchain, or the Fourth Industrial Revolution — but Alan warned us to remember that much more critical forms of change are human and social. From changing values across generations to increasing loneliness and shifting work habits post-COVID, leaders need to pay attention to the people side of transformation.

He urges us to reach out to strangers, listen more closely, and pay attention to the subtle signs of change that are all around us. In it, we can transform ignorance into discovery and shape futures that count.

A Final Thought

Alan's lesson is that you don't have to have all the answers in your mind to do something remarkable. All you need is a sense of purpose, curiosity, humility, respect for others, and a focus on the future — together with just enough paranoia to keep you from being complacent. Most of all, you need to warm up to the wisdom that eighth graders get every single day going into high school: not knowing.

For, as these people remind us: "We all actually do have the ability to make a difference. It's something we can attain if we engage in a few crucial behaviors each day."

His new book, The Wisdom of Ignorance, was published on October 14 and is available wherever fine books are sold.

Key Takeaways:

• Lean into what you don't know — that's where the wonder is, and that's where you'll feel becoming.

• Purpose orients; small experiments build confidence.

• Remain curious, humble, respectful of norms and traditions while remaining future-oriented, and a bit paranoid.

• The human and social change is at least as important as the technological disruption.

• Each and every one can make a difference one step at a time.

Connect with Alan: Alan's Profile: linkedin.com/in/alan-gregerman-a33b236 Website: alangregerman.com/ (Personal Connect with me:

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  • Rethink: Smashing the Myths of Women in Business
  • Women Mean Business: Over 500 Insights from Extraordinary Leaders to Spark Your Success
  • On the Brink: A Fresh Lens to Take Your Business to New Heights

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In this episode of On the Brink with Andi Simon, I had the pleasure of sitting down with Laurie Hirsch Schulz, a transformational coach, nonprofit leader, and founder of LHS Coaching. Laurie's career journey—from over two decades in corporate marketing at Kraft Foods and Visa to becoming a trusted coach and community leader—offers a powerful reminder that change is not something to resist but to embrace.

Laurie brings to her clients a unique blend of corporate savvy, coaching expertise, and a deep passion for helping people find clarity when they reach what she calls inflection points. These are moments when life nudges—or pushes—you to recognize that what once worked no longer does. Whether it's career dissatisfaction, a health scare, a layoff, or simply the realization that you're ready for something new, inflection points are opportunities to redefine what comes next.

From Corporate Success to Coaching Purpose

Laurie enjoyed a successful career at Kraft Foods and Visa, thriving in marketing and strategy roles. But after more than 20 years, she hit her own inflection point: the work no longer aligned with her values. Rather than pushing through, she took a bold step. She negotiated an exit plan, gave herself what she called a "reboot year," and invested in coaching and reflection.

That pause was pivotal. Laurie discovered that what she loved most wasn't just the marketing itself, but the mentoring, coaching, and team-building along the way. Out of that realization grew her coaching practice, where she now helps others navigate the complexity of transition.

The Power of a Personal Compass

Laurie's process begins with what she calls a personal compass. This is more than a vision statement—it's a grounding framework built around four key elements:

1. Core Values – The non-negotiables that must guide decisions and actions.

2. Mission – How you want to impact the world and show up in it.

3. Energies – The activities, relationships, and pursuits that light you up.

4. Capabilities – The skills and strengths that differentiate you, not just what you can do, but what you want to do.

This compass serves as a touchstone, allowing clients to navigate life and career changes with greater clarity and confidence. It becomes especially powerful during times of uncertainty, when the "shoulds" of culture or family expectations may cloud what truly matters.

Experimentation and the Permission to Change

Clarity, however, is not enough. Laurie stresses the importance of experimentation—testing possibilities in small, manageable ways. That might mean scheduling coffee conversations with people in new fields, volunteering in a nonprofit role, or taking on stretch projects at work. These experiments open doors to new opportunities and perspectives while reducing the fear of change.

And this is where Laurie offers something many of us forget: permission to change. So often, we keep doing what we've always done—even when it makes us unhappy—because it feels safe or because others have boxed us in. Laurie helps clients give themselves the grace and courage to step through new doors, even if what's on the other side looks different than expected.

Coaching as a Gift to Yourself

Laurie distinguishes coaching from therapy or consulting. Therapy often looks backward; consulting provides external solutions. Coaching, in contrast, is about partnering with clients to ask the right questions, surface insights, and guide them forward. It is future-focused, client-led, and deeply transformative.

As Laurie puts it, coaching is a gift—a purposeful pause that helps you reconnect with who you are, gain confidence in your strengths, and create a future aligned with your values.

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Key Takeaways

1. Listen to the inner voice. When something no longer feels right, don't ignore it. Inflection points are signs it's time for change.

2. Define your personal compass. Ground yourself in your values, mission, energy sources, and unique capabilities.

3. Challenge the "shoulds." Cultural and personal expectations can limit growth; real transformation begins by questioning them.

4. Experiment your way forward. Try new roles, conversations, or volunteer work to clarify what resonates before making big leaps.

5. Give yourself permission. You don't need to stay stuck in a box. Change is not failure—it's an act of self-leadership.

6. Coaching is an investment. Partnering with a coach can help you pause, reflect, and move forward with confidence and clarity.

Laurie's story is a reminder that change, while uncomfortable, is often the catalyst for growth and transformation. We may not always know what's on the other side of the door, but with clarity, experimentation, and courage, we can step through and discover new ways of living and working that truly align with who we are.

To learn more about Laurie Hirsch Schulz and her coaching practice, or to connect with her for a complimentary introductory session, visit her at LHS Coaching or find her on LinkedIn.

Connect with me:

• Website: www.simonassociates.net
• Email: [email protected]
• Books: Learn more about our books here:
  • Rethink: Smashing the Myths of Women in Business
  • Women Mean Business: Over 500 Insights from Extraordinary Leaders to Spark Your Success
  • On the Brink: A Fresh Lens to Take Your Business to New Heights

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