John interviews award-winning journalist Donald G. McNeil Jr. In this, the second half of a two-part interview, John and Donald talk about the early days of the pandemic and the evidence, regarding the origins of the virus, behind the animal-to-human transmission theory versus the lab leak theory.

If you haven’t heard part one, make sure to go back and listen to John and Donald discuss the Biden administration’s response, the Delta variant, and the financial incentives behind the anti-vaccine movement.

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