On this episode, Martha is joined by Iryna Verbivska, a Ukrainian refugee who returned to the war-torn country to document the destruction through photography. Iryna details how she was able to survive the early days of the conflict, and how she escaped the country.

Later, Iryna shares her thoughts on what needs to be done to end the war, and how the conflict has impacted the relationship between Ukrainians and Russians.

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