Open Interest

Open Interest

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Open Interest episodes

  • From Investment Banking to Mercuryo: Arthur on the Plumbing Behind Crypto Payments

    Arthur Firstov, Chief Business Officer at Mercuryo, joins Kinsa Durst for Open Interest.


    Arthur left investment banking in 2019 to help build what Mercuryo's founders pitched as Stripe for crypto. Mercuryo started with on- and off-ramps for exchanges and wallets and now works with payment companies and fintechs on stablecoin and self-custodial payment infrastructure. We get into why the best infrastructure is invisible, wallets turning into neobanks, Western Union and PayPal moving into stablecoin cards, Samsung putting stablecoins on the phone, the plumbing still missing behind the headlines, and why agentic payments should eventually settle on crypto rails.


    Recorded in Singapore during TOKEN2049, October 2026. Figures and announcements are as stated at the time of recording. Nothing in this episode is financial advice.


    Open Interest: conversations with the people taking the risk and the people pricing it.

    https://openinteresthq.com/episodes/arthur-mercuryo/


    Open Interest Season 1 · Singapore — co-sponsored by Kraken and Codex.

    Kraken: https://www.kraken.com/

    Codex: https://www.codex.io/


    Mercuryo: https://mercuryo.io/


    Full conversation:

    00:00 Intro: Arthur, Mercuryo

    00:27 From investment banking to "Stripe for crypto"

    01:31 What Mercuryo does

    01:57 On- and off-ramps for crypto natives

    03:13 Partnering with Visa, Mastercard and Revolut

    04:33 Infrastructure you never see

    06:16 From speculation to payments

    07:07 Wallets turning into neobanks

    08:12 PayPal, Western Union and stablecoin cards

    10:01 Samsung, Solana and stablecoins on your phone

    11:01 The plumbing behind the headlines

    13:08 Agentic payments: cards first, crypto next

    16:29 How agents make money: payments

    16:55 Microtransactions and streaming payments

    19:37 How Arthur pays: travel and a hectic life

    22:34 Apple Pay, QR codes and Singapore

    24:38 Where to find Mercuryo

    26 min
  • From CyberConnect to Surf: Shiyu Zhang on AI That Can't Hallucinate With Money

    Shiyu Zhang, co-founder of Surf AI, joins Kinsa Durst for Open Interest.

    Shiyu has been building in crypto since 2017, from the decentralized live-streaming platform DLive to CyberConnect, before co-founding Surf, a crypto-native AI company. Surf runs Ask Surf for traders and researchers, and powers the AI inside Bithumb's app, with over a million users at the time of recording. We get into post-training a model under a regulated exchange's rules, why a trained model beats a wrapper on cost and accuracy, where AI belongs in a trade (the decision, not the execution), and what's next for Surf.

    Recorded in Singapore during TOKEN2049, October 2026. Figures are as stated at the time of recording. Nothing in this episode is financial advice.

    Open Interest: conversations with the people taking the risk and the people pricing it.
    https://openinteresthq.com/episodes/shiyu-zhang-surf-ai/

    Open Interest Season 1 · Singapore — co-sponsored by Kraken and Codex.
    Kraken: https://www.kraken.com/
    Codex: https://www.codex.io/

    Surf: https://asksurf.ai/

    Full conversation:
    00:00 Intro: Shiyu Zhang, Surf AI
    00:18 From DLive and CyberConnect to Surf
    01:13 Two products: Ask Surf and enterprise AI
    01:51 The Bithumb partnership
    02:36 Proprietary data and post-training
    03:52 Regulation, localization and cost
    04:38 Bithumb, Surf's first centralized exchange
    05:08 Enterprise demand in Korea
    06:06 Execution vs decisions: where AI belongs
    07:43 AI and crypto in five to ten years
    09:20 What's next: campaigns and NFTs
    10:27 Where to find Surf

    11 min
  • From Private Chains to Public Ethereum: Matthew Dawson on Institutional Adoption

    Matthew Dawson, co-founder of Ethereum Institutional, joins Kinsa Durst for Open Interest.


    We discuss what institutions need from a chain—security, uptime and liquidity—the move from private chains to public Ethereum, compliant privacy, permissioned assets in DeFi, Ethereum’s ZK scaling roadmap, agentic payments, and whether institutions should build on L2s.


    Recorded in Singapore during TOKEN2049.


    Open Interest: https://openinteresthq.com

    Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/9FGPqwQUBJk

    Ethereum Institutional: https://www.ethereuminstitutional.org/


    Open Interest Season 1 · Singapore — co-sponsored by Kraken and Codex.

    Kraken: https://www.kraken.com/

    Codex: https://www.codex.io/


    Full conversation:

    00:00 Intro: Matthew Dawson, Ethereum Institutional

    00:34 From finance consulting to the Ethereum Foundation

    02:23 Spinning out Ethereum Institutional

    03:26 What institutions need: security, uptime, liquidity

    04:39 From private chains to public Ethereum

    06:47 Privacy that stays compliant

    07:23 Permissioned assets meet DeFi

    08:10 ZK-EVM and Ethereum’s scaling roadmap

    09:53 Why institutions choose Ethereum

    10:46 AI and agentic finance

    14:24 TOKEN2049 and a global industry

    15:24 Announcements since the spin-out

    16:40 L1 or L2 for institutions?

    18:10 Why the largest institutions lead

    19:06 How to reach Ethereum Institutional

    21 min
  • From PayPal to Ethena Pay: Lito Coen on the Crypto Neobank

    Lito Coen, GTM lead at Ethena Pay, joins Josh Han for Open Interest to discuss building a crypto neobank: saving, spending and sending from one account, KYC across 50 countries, localisation, and what Ethena Pay means for USDe and ENA.


    Recorded in Singapore during TOKEN2049. Figures and plans are as stated at the time of recording.


    Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/lED8yTSeqqM

    Open Interest: https://openinteresthq.com/


    Open Interest Season 1 · Singapore — co-sponsored by Kraken and Codex.

    Kraken: https://www.kraken.com/

    Codex: https://www.codex.io/


    Ethena Pay: https://pay.ethena.fi/

    Lito Coen: https://x.com/litocoen


    Full conversation:

    00:00 Intro: Lito Coen, Ethena Pay

    00:14 From PayPal and the ICO era to crypto onboarding

    01:22 Why a crypto neobank

    04:02 What makes it a neobank

    05:54 One month live: 1,000 users and a 12,000 waitlist

    06:46 Saving, spending and sending

    08:57 What surprised him: KYC across 50 countries

    11:03 Why localisation matters

    11:45 Where the growth is

    12:52 VIP perks versus real utility

    15:37 What Ethena Pay means for USDe and ENA

    17:28 Distributing new products to users

    18:52 Ethena and the equity basis trade

    21:30 What's next and where to follow

    23 min
  • From Physics PhD to Curve: Michael Egorov on Real Yield for Bitcoin

    Michael Egorov, founder of Curve and co-founder of YieldBasis, joins Kinsa Durst for Open Interest.

    A physics PhD, a stake token at NuCypher, and a problem swapping DAI without selling ETH led to the StableSwap algorithm and Curve. Now YieldBasis takes the same idea to Bitcoin: liquidity that earns from volatility while staying delta-neutral in the asset itself. We cover why Bitcoin before Ethereum, what "capacity" means when liquidity starts suppressing volatility, why real yield is seasonal, the MS-DOS UI and the five-minute Klein-bottle logo, Hyperliquid versus GMX, and whether AI or quantum computers threaten the keys.

    Open Interest: conversations with the people taking the risk and the people pricing it. https://openinteresthq.com

    Open Interest Season 1 · Singapore — co-sponsored by Kraken and Codex.
    Kraken: https://www.kraken.com/
    Codex: https://www.codex.io/

    YieldBasis: https://yieldbasis.com/

    Watch the full video on YouTube: https://youtu.be/X0g0eL74rc4

    Chapters:
    00:00 Intro: Michael Egorov, Curve and YieldBasis
    00:36 Physics PhD, NuCypher and the liquid-staking problem
    02:11 Why Curve started with stablecoin swaps
    03:37 The idea for YieldBasis, on a flight to Token2049
    05:41 The MS-DOS UI and a logo made in five minutes
    09:16 What YieldBasis is for: real yield on Bitcoin
    11:22 Capacity, liquidity and suppressing volatility
    12:36 Why Bitcoin is less volatile than stocks
    14:25 Bitcoin L2s and the branded-L2 question
    15:57 Stocks, gold and where the yield comes from
    17:54 Valueless governance tokens
    18:47 The next holy grail: Hyperliquid, GMX and why DeFi at all
    21:04 AI, quantum computers and whether keys are safe
    26:37 How to reach YieldBasis

    28 min
  • From Nine Days of Runway to the Data Behind Crypto | Codex

    Mike Rowe, CEO and co-founder of Codex and Defined, joins Josh Han for the first full episode of Open Interest.


    They discuss the trading tools that became a data business, the B2B pivot that helped the company survive, and building with a team of longtime friends. Also: token discovery, Defined’s research tools and how its consumer product connects to the Codex API.


    Open Interest: conversations with the people taking the risk and the people pricing it.

    https://openinteresthq.com


    Open Interest Season 1 · Singapore — co-sponsored by Kraken and Codex.

    Kraken: https://www.kraken.com/

    Codex: https://www.codex.io/


    Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/_BiwNgSp5uU


    Defined: https://www.defined.fi/


    21 min
  • Open Interest — The First Telling | Season 1 Trailer

    Every story in this industry gets told twice. Open Interest is the first telling.


    Our first season was recorded in Singapore during TOKEN2049: conversations with founders, builders and allocators, before the outcome was known.


    Full conversations and short clips over the coming weeks. Follow the show and get the next conversation by email at https://openinteresthq.com/


    Recorded in the Panoramic Content Suite, Singapore. Co-sponsored by Kraken and Codex.


    Trailer narration generated with AI.

    1 min

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Open Interest is a show of conversations with founders and funds in AI and crypto, the people taking the risk and the people pricing it. Recorded live at conferences around the world, before the story…