Through the magic of teleconferencing, Dean and Meredith are joined by Chicago artist Joseph Ramski to discuss counterculture scientist John C. Lilly and the effect he had on forming the iconic Sega Genesis/Mega Drive game, Ecco the Dolphin. Be forewarned, this is one of the crazier episodes we've done, so you may want to skip this one unless you're comfortable hearing about federally-funded dolphin hand jobs.