You’ve probably heard a lot about the 2019 college admission scandal, but you haven’t heard everything. Operation Varsity Blues goes beyond the celebrity-driven headlines with real conversations from FBI wiretaps. The film offers a rare glimpse of the man at the center of the scandal,  Rick Singer, and the methods he used to help his wealthy clients cheat a system already designed to benefit the privileged.

Our host Rebecca Lavoie is joined by two guests in this episode, Jon Karmen (the film’s editor, writer, and producer) and Chris Smith (the film’s director and producer).

This episode contains spoilers so make sure to watch the entire series before you listen on.