What if you could meet a poet, nay perhaps a prophet, communes with the divine, and loves the beyond so, they cannot miss the ordinary?

Having tasted manna, they knows holiness in crusts and crumbs, prophecy in coffee grounds.

Like Blake, they see the universe in a grain of sand, infinity in an hour, heaven contained within the petals?

Then meet Joshua Luke Smith.

Joshua is a poet for the people—a musician, author, and purveyor of the ordinary. He is a man of daring honesty, inspiration, and hope.

I came across his book Something You Once Knew: Waking Up to the Extraordinary in Your Ordinary Life a few years ago—and you should definitely read it. For me, the timing was ordained. I had been sitting like an hen on ideas for a book about joy—eyes transfixed on a beautiful still pond. Then Joshua came along and nudged me into the water. After reading his book, I realized it was time to start writing—to get wet, flap about and make some ripples, let the eggs hatch—and, as a result, I wrote Longing for Joy. Once again, thanks, Joshua!

You can imagine my delight when I got to chat with Joshua. It was the kind of joy that spills over. I saw the rest of my day with renewed sight. We talk about hope, how the ordinary stuff of life is actually the main event, and how all of life is one big creative act (even if you don’t think you're an artist). I know you’ll enjoy it.

I want to encourage you to listen to Joshua’s new album Liberated, check out his podcast This Is The Main Event, and even consider joining The Write Club. You won’t regret it. Even better, you’ll have an unshakable sense that being alive is a very good thing indeed.

Opening and Closing Song: Water, Blitz//Berlin

Story Song: Trackless Sea (Instrumental), Kings Kaleidoscope

Featured Song: Joy, Joshua Luke Smith

In the latest episode of Ordinary Matters, I sat down with the pastor and author, Ken Shigematsu. His opening story begins in a small church in Tokyo where, as a young Sony Corporation employee, he was asked to preach his first sermon. When his grandmother—who remembered him as a child always asking how to get rich—made the hour-long journey to hear him, something embarrassing and remarkable happened. You’ll have to listen to find out!

This story sets the stage for our conversation about Ken’s new book, Now I Become Myself: How Deep Grace Heals Our Shame and Restores Our True Self. Ken opens up about how even now, after years of pastoral ministry, he still has dreams of standing before a congregation with nothing to say, watching as people slowly file out of the room. It’s a picture of what many of us carry: that persistent feeling of not being enough.

What I love about Ken’s approach is how he weaves together spiritual practices with modern neuroscience. He shares a beautifully simple daily practice that has transformed his own life:

Sitting quietly after his morning swim, receiving God’s affirmation of love just as Jesus did at his baptism. “Ken, you are my beloved son. In you I delight.”

It’s not just positive thinking—it’s a practice that literally reshapes our neural pathways over time.

In our conversation, we also explore the relationship between grace, shame, and joy. Ken points to research from Stanford showing how exposure to natural beauty can actually quiet the brain regions associated with anxiety and self-criticism. “When you expose yourself to beauty,” he explains, “whether it’s in nature or through gorgeous music or through a piece of beautiful art ... you literally leave less room in your brain for shame to be at work.”

At the end of the conversation, Ken even lead us in a contemplative prayer based on Ephesians 3—inviting us into that spacious place of being “rooted and established in love.” It was a fitting end to a conversation that reminds us that transformation doesn’t come through willpower alone, but through the space for grace to do its deeper work.

I hope you enjoy this conversation!

P.S. Longing for Joy is a finalist for the InterVarsity Press Readers’ Choice Awards! 🏆Your stories and messages about how this book has touched your lives have been such a gift. Now, I’d be honoured to have your vote. Plus, voters can potentially win the entire collection of winning books! Voting closes tomorrow.

P.P.S. I am really enjoying the new album by half•alive, especially the last track Thank You. The chorus is just so, so good:

Every shadow of change

What do we do with the challenging passages in Scripture that depict God in an unflattering light? Think about the flood and the destruction of the ancient world in Genesis, the eradication of the Canaanites in Joshua, or the horrific murder of the Levite’s concubine in Judges. How do we reconcile the difficult emotions of God, such as jealousy, regret, wrath, and, yes, even hatred?

In this episode, we sit down with David T. Lamb, the author of several books, including God Behaving Badly and The Emotions of God. Just as C.S. Lewis illuminated the thoughts and workings of demons in The Screwtape Letters, Dave seeks to guide us through the most troubling passages in Scripture—those moments that evoke pause, hesitation, and even offence.

What Dave helps us see in our conversation is that, despite the complexity of some passages, understanding the emotions of God can help us draw near to his heart, even when his actions defy our comprehension. Dave invites us to embrace humility, patience, and compassion toward ourselves and one another as we sit before the full portrait of God revealed in the Scriptures.

We know this conversation will be helpful to you and encourage you to learn more about Dave at www.davidtlamb.com

“What if we disrupted the world with something that wasn’t destructive? What if joy could radically change everything?”

I had never thought of joy as disruptive before, but in our conversation with Casey Margarite Field, I began to see joy under a different light. I think if you listen, your ideas about joy might be disrupted too.

Let me tell you a bit about Casey. She’s a writer, dancer, and an impact leader who passionately believes in the transformative power of imagination and joy. She is the author of a delightful children’s book called Disruptive Joy—and the story behind why she wrote it will surprise and delight you!

Talking with Casey was a lot of fun, and a timely reminder for me to embrace a childlike sense of wonder and playfulness in life. Because even disruptions can open our hearts and invite us into the possibility of joy.

I hope you enjoy our conversation with Casey as much as Alastair and I did!

P.S. The past few conversations on our podcast have focused on joy to pique your interest. If you haven’t already, I want to remind you to pre-order a copy of Alastair’s new book, Longing for Joy: An Invitation into the Goodness and Beauty of Life. I love this book so much, and not just because I love the author! I can’t wait for you all to read it when it releases on October 29th.

We are so happy to share our recent conversation with our friend Mike Mason, an author whose career spans over four decades, including cherished works like The Mystery of Marriage and The Blue Umbrella. We gleaned so much from his gentle wisdom and it was a delight to speak with him.

Mike told us a story about a young prophet once calling him an “ordinary man” (though we would disagree!). Initially taken aback, he has since come to embrace this label. In his latest book, Same Old, Same New: The Consolation of the Ordinary, he explores why so much of life consists of the mundane and how, paradoxically, it is in this ordinariness that we find joy and meaning.

Our conversation left me wishing it could have lasted longer. We feel a kinship with Mike and his monk-like approach to living an ordinary life. He was the perfect guest for Ordinary Matters, and we hope you enjoy this episode as much as we did!

In this episode, we had the pleasure of speaking with Whitney K. Pipkin, author of We Shall All Be Changed: How Facing Death with Loved Ones Transforms Us. In her book, Whitney shares her personal journey through the grief of losing her mother and how that experience reshaped her life and faith. During our conversation, we explored the discomfort that often surrounds grief, especially when others try to inject joy into our sorrow with well-meaning but misplaced words. Whitney beautifully articulated how she discovered a more nuanced form of joy—one that isn’t about forced happiness, but about finding comfort and Christ’s presence even in the midst of profound sorrow.

This was a such meaningful conversation, though not an easy one. We hope it strengthen how you think about death, grief, and joy; and that it encourages you to hold on to the only hope that endures: Christ’s victory over death. I want to encourage you to follow Whitney on Instagram, her Substack Tell It True, and learn more about her work at whitneykpipkin.com.

We had a wonderful conversation with Julie Lane Gay, author of The Riches of Your Grace: Living in the Book of Common Prayer, on our latest episode of Ordinary Matters.

Our conversation explored why prayer can often feel difficult—whether due to life's distractions, the fear of saying the wrong thing, or uncertainty about whether our prayers are heard. Julie offered wisdom on how the BCP can serve as a guide, not only in church but in our daily routines, helping us connect with God in meaningful ways. Whether you’re familiar with the BCP or completely new to it, this episode provides a fresh perspective on how structured prayer can enhance our ordinary lives, allowing us to experience God’s love in a profound way.

We offer you this episode in the hope that it might encourage you in the challenges of prayer and help you rest in the goodness of God.

As mentioned, my new book, Longing for Joy: An Invitation into the Goodness and Beauty of Life releases on October 29th. In our world, where algorithms shape what we see, I need your help: Please pre-order a copy today. You can also learn about other ways to help at thejoyrefuge.com 

In this episode, we chat with Karen Stiller, author, award-winning senior editor of Faith Today, writing coach, and (now) elder stateswoman of Ordinary Matters. In our conversation with Karen, we dive into the world of imagination. Our minds can conjure the unimaginable, sometimes sending us into a tailspin. However, we can also envision a fuller life and take small steps to make it a reality—like helping someone carry their bags, putting away a stranded shopping cart, or tending to our grief well. What if we imagine a life of holiness in all these ordinary matters? That’s the essence of Karen’s new book, Holiness Here: Searching for God in the Ordinary Events of Everyday Life. And that’s why we invited her to talk with us about the ordinariness of holiness.

You can learn more about Karen and her good work at www.karenstiller.com

In this episode of Ordinary Matters, we open with a story we love about The Sneaky Scheme™ of our daughters. It sets the table for our conversation about the gift of God’s forgetfulness, the invitation to bring our mess to him, the peculiar joy of confession, and also the role of attachment and the presence of God. We hope our thoughts help you discern the presence of God in your ordinary life.

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Exciting news! Our podcast is back as part of Ordinary Matters. In addition to our articles, Julia and I are diving into conversations and reflections about faithfulness in everyday life.

To kick things off, I’ll be regularly sharing brief reflections from the Psalms, exploring the lessons they offer on joy, happiness, and living the good life.

On a personal note: Ordinary Matters isn’t just a platform for us. We want to connect with you. Your engagement means the world to us. Whether it’s a quick note or a thoughtful comment, when we hear from you it’s a great encouragement. This space is designed for dialogue—not just monologue. Please share your thoughts on this episode. What resonated with you? What ideas did it spark?

Thanks for being part of this journey with us.