When Xander and Samantha met several years ago, the thought they'd end up owning and running a winery in Carnation, WA, was not even a germ of an idea. Flash forward to today, past Xander's nearly 3 years in the Peace Corps, where he taught beekeeping in The Gambia, Africa, and they now own Orenda Winery. 

In this special 'on the road' podcast, Jeff travels to Carnation, to talk with Xander and Samantha about beekeeping in Africa, the winery, and how honey bees factor in their overall business plan.