In this episode, writer/philosopher Savriel Dillingh speaks to Joost and Johan from Terzij de Horde and Kimothy and Gijs from Teardrinker - both performing at the Terzij de Horde release show on December 6th at TivoliVredenburg.

This episode focuses on making metal/hardcore in times of collapse, and with a specific focus on using the intensity of these genres as a call to arms. The discussion is lively and dives into topics like the roles of masculinity, joy, anger, religion and activism in loud music. How do we understand the power and limitations of making music for a better world? What are the tensions between being expressive versus being strategic about societal change?

Teardrinker will perform alongside Terzij de Horde at their vinyl release show, December 6th at TivoliVredenburg. Get your ticket at: ⁠https://www.tivolivedenburg.nl/agenda/54467034/terzij-de-horde-06-12-2025⁠

Host: Savriel Dillingh

Guests: Terzij de Horde & Teardrinker

Art by Christian Degn, design by Mirko Meerwaldt

In the first episode singer Joost Vervoort of Dutch black metal band Terzij De Horde speaks with Tonnie aka Broeder Dieleman. He shares his perspectives on bringing the past, present and the future together in a time of rising fascism.

How does Tonnie see the importance of myth making from a regional perspective? How does he see the role of spirituality in fighting for a better world? What are the roles of anger, sadness, absurdity and playfulness? And shifting to the musical side - what is it like for him to perform alongside metal/hardcore/postcore bands, both at this show and in his collaboration with Colin van Eeckhout in Amen Ra.

Tonnie Dieleman will perform at Terzij de Horde's vinyl release show, December 6th at TivoliVredenburg. Tickets: https://www.tivolivedenburg.nl/agenda/54467034/terzij-de-horde-06-12-2025

Host: Joost Vervoort

Guest: Broeder Dieleman

Art by Christian Degn, design by Mirko Meerwaldt