On March 17, 2020 Lissa Druss called us together to button down the launch of this podcast. It was just days prior to the State of Illinois' official call for a "shelter in place" due to the global pandemic.   In this episode, Lissa, Thom Serafin, and our producer Todd Manley met on St. Patrick's Day 2025 to discuss what we've learned about leadership and humanity over the past five years. We'll share our five most-downloaded episodes and listen back to the many voices that have been our "crisis" teachers. Plus, we'll wade in the waters of gratitude for all of you who've made our 5th anniversary possible by listening.