This time around, Jenna and Jenelle completely veer off course and decide to just spend the whole show talking about their favorite podcasts (mostly true crime but plenty of random stuff mixed in). They also ramble on about their earliest true crime memories, the TV shows that shaped their obsessions (shout out to family dinners in front of the TV with COPS blaring), and how Jenna claims she watched a “kid’s version of X-files”. Jenelle discusses the Jacob Wetterling case and Jenna reflects on the abductions of Amber Hagerman and Opal Jennings. We wrap it up with some more ramblings and then our favorite sleep podcasts, for the grown ups and the babies.

**At the time of recoding, Gabby Petito was still a missing person, and Jenna and Jenelle were staying up all night reading every news update. While the story is still unfolding at the time of releasing this episode, Gabby’s remains have been found and our prayers and thoughts are with her family as well as with the families of the other Wildflower/Moab murder victims.