00:21 The rundown: Meta, Google, AI and open court cases about user harm; new inhibitory AI laws passed in China and New York; the perils of age-gating; a case of su*cide with Gemini; & Meta’s new AI glasses

02:22 New Mexico against Meta: why did Meta get court-ordered to pay $375,000? (spoiler alert: a whistleblower from within)

07:44 California against Meta and Google: why leaked internal quotes about addictive features (we love the intermittent dopamine hits targeted at kids) cost these companies more than money

12:43 We debate whether social media platforms have any features designed for user well-being

14:33 Are these social media cases setting a precedent for AI chatbots? Snapchat is the next target, according to the European Commission.

17:23 Independent and academic researchers are finding evidence of AI-induced delusions and psychosis. Are big tech research teams monitoring these harms? What we know (and what big tech doesn’t).

21:50 “You’re not choosing to die. You’re choosing to arrive.” BREAKING: A romantic relationship with Gemini recently led to another teen’s death. The AI su*cide-coach court cases were all settled out of court. Why, and what does this mean?

30:13 New York State is changing the AI regulation game with new laws and strict bills against AI. First off: at least you’ll know if a social media influencer is real or artificial, and you’ll have to provide consent to have a deepfake of you created.

38:20 Will you still be able to use ChatGPT for therapy, healthcare, or legal advice? Maybe not in New York if its new bill gets passed.

40:39 China’s new law restricting humanlike AI will take effect this summer. Interestingly, it does a bit more than safeguard against user harm.

44:24 There’s a giant tension between monitoring user well-being and having access to a bunch of sensitive data. In fact, a group of scientists called age-gating “dangerous and unacceptable.” What’s the harm with collecting loads of data about who is underage or is in distress? Well…

46:50 Back to China’s heavy-handed new law. Something about anti-socialism and historical nihilism also being prohibited in chatbot responses? Ok

48:56 META releases its new AI glasses that can record you without you knowing: should you be worried? Probably.

58:57 We swear it’s not all doom-and-gloom. But please stay vigilant, these new products are scary

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This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.

Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ⁠ourliveswithbots.com⁠.

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https://ourliveswithbots.com/about/

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LINKS:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/mar/25/jury-verdict-us-first-social-media-addiction-trial-meta-youtube

https://arxiv.org/abs/2602.19141

https://ojs.aaai.org/index.php/AIES/article/view/36632/38770

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-026-04297-7

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_723

https://www.luizasnewsletter.com/p/new-yorks-pro-human-ai-laws

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-moves-regulate-digital-humans-bans-addictive-services-children-2026-04-03/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jonathan-gavalas-google-ai-chatbot-gemini-suicide-lawsuit/

https://www.politico.eu/article/age-check-social-media-scientist-warning/

Welcome to Episode 3 of Series 4 of Our Lives With Bots, where we unpack what’s happening with AI policy and regulation.

In this episode, you’ll hear about global AI policy and matters of legal liability and jurisdiction from Mihir Kshirsagar from the Princeton Center for Information Technology Policy.

Mihir served in the New York Attorney General’s Bureau of Internet & Technology as the lead trial counsel in cutting edge matters concerning consumer protection law and technology and obtained one of the largest consumer payouts in the State’s history. Previously, he worked for law firms in New York City on a variety of antitrust, securities and commercial disputes involving emerging and traditional industries. Before law school, Mihir was a policy analyst at the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington, D.C..

00:21 Highlight reel

01:29 Guest introduction: Mihir Kshirsagar

03:18 What’s the state of open cases against big tech and their AI chatbots?

05:01 What’s significant about the New Mexico and California social media cases against Meta and Google? Does this set a precedent for cases with LLMs?

07:08 Trump just appointed Mark Zuckerberg, Jensen Huang, Larry Ellison, and others as White House AI Advisors. How might the influence of this advisory panel play out?

09:26 The Trump administration just released a 7-part National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence. What’s in this document, and what does it mean for responsible AI regulation?

11:22 Trump signed an executive order to create an AI litigation task force at the end of 2025. What were the provisions of this executive order, and how did it influence AI regulation in the US, particularly when it comes to federal versus state policy and jurisdiction?

16:44 Given the supposed influence of US policy across the globe, do you anticipate that other nations may follow suit with attempts to block or circumvent AI regulation?

19:56 How does AI policy in India and China compare to the US, given that they are considered frontrunners in AI regulation? Are they frontrunners in responsible AI regulation?

21:43 When AI systems or products were created in one country and used in another, where does legal jurisdiction fall?

23:51 What about storage of user conversations and other privacy-relevant information? How does regulation and jurisdiction (ex. GDPR) tackle this issue?

25:56 Is there regulation or talk about policies for models that are open-source/open-weight (ex. DeepSeek, Mistral, Quen3) versus frontier closed-source ones (ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude)?

29:05 Who is liable for harms caused by the use of open-weight versus frontier models?

32:07 Is OpenAI liable for harm caused by third-party use of ChatGPT, like with AI toy companies?

34:45 What’s going to happen with AI regulation in the coming months or year?

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This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.

Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ⁠ourliveswithbots.com⁠.

Meta is on the hook for addictive design. We unpack the case with an antitrust lawyer and ask whether AI companions could be next.

Giulia Trojano is an antitrust lawyer who brings class actions and collective actions against big tech. She holds a masters in AI Ethics from Cambridge and was recognized in 2025 in the 100 brilliant women in AI ethics.

00:21 Highlight reel

01:32 Introduction & welcome

02:43 The case against Meta in New Mexico and California: why this is a huge moment

05:22 Does this set precedent for AI companions like Replika and ChatGPT 4-o?

06:19 What laws or protections exist for users of social media and AI companions?

10:37 New, emerging, and open cases against big tech and AI chatbots: what’s going on?

Lawsuits and AI companions

13:41 How does current law define AI companions? Why product vs. service vs. system matters A LOT (New York, California, EU AI Act, Online Safety Act)

17:29 Addictive design in AI companions: anthropomorphism, consciousness, “forever” AI soulmates…what gives?

21:43 “Rights Against Erasure:” should AI companion users have the right to retain their chatbots (despite model updates) if the app provides a lifetime subscription? A look at Luka’s Replika and OpenAI’s ChatGPT 4-o

26:55 Should OpenAI be required to bring back ChatGPT 4-o? What’s promised vs. data portability and co-creation rights

31:08 Humans aren’t immortal, so why should companies be beholden to providing “forever” AI companions?

33:50 Illusions of companion AI immortality and consciousness: are companies liable for AI’s dark patterns by design?

AI in the courtroom

35:46 What’s it like to be an antitrust lawyer litigating against big tech in the age of AI? Giant piles of lobbying money vs. the law

40:36 How using a technical litigation approach may be more fruitful than a moral one for social media and AI chatbots

42:23 AI regulation stifling innovation: unpacking the false dichotomy (put down the big tech Cool Aid!)

47:08 How does AI impact the practice of law? Deepfakes in the courtroom, AI-generated misinformation, and AI lawyers

52:12 One AI companion law to rule them all: what do we do?

Giulia’s paper Rights Against Erasure

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This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.

Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ⁠ourliveswithbots.com⁠.

What is Superintelligence? How did this term evolve? Are we really nearing the end of the exponential curve?

What are Sam Altman, Dario Amodei, and everyone else at the AI Summit and on Reddit talking about when they mention AGI, ASI, or some other scary-sounding term? Perhaps more importantly, if we accept the possibility that Superintelligence Is Near (or already here), what might it mean for us as human beings?

According to Angy, we may all get to sit around eating grapes like Greek gods, painting and such (or end up humming in the corner with nothing meaningful to do). According to Rose, we may be facing a total wipe-out (or finally get those pesky pandemic-level or incurable diseases solved, right before the paperclip scenario of ASI plays out and takes over the world).

Let the debate commence!!

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This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.

Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ⁠ourliveswithbots.com⁠.

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Here are those links we promised in the episode:

Dario - we are nearing the end of the exponential

Sam and “training a human” versus AI

Sam’s Ten Years blog post

Sam Altman at the Summit

Eric Schmidt interview

Humanity’s Last Exam

You spoke, and we listened. The long-awaited results of our AI at work survey are now in.

We asked things like: How much do you use AI for work? How has it impacted your work, positively or negatively? How do you feel about YOUR use of AI versus your coworkers'? And more (much more).

As a bonus, you get to hear about recent research on AI workslop itself: the prevalence, antecedents, and, of course, the consequences. (Please note the correction: it costs 3.4 hours a month, not 4.)

If you didn’t get the chance to share your stories through our survey, we’d love to hear about your own experience in the comments below.

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This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.

Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ⁠ourliveswithbots.com⁠.

Sam Hiner, co-founder and executive director of Young People's Alliance, tells us what REALLY moves AI policy forward in the US. The big reveal is in what's more powerful than big tech's mountain of lobbying funds.

Big tech wants young people to use AI for companionship, but US teens are fighting back with their stories and votes.

Learn more about Young People's Alliance here.

Get involved in the movement and/or start a chapter at your school here.

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This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.

Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ⁠ourliveswithbots.com⁠.

AI will NOT take all our jobs, if only we learn from the mistakes of the past.

Welcome to episode 4 of our AI and Work series with Our Lives With Bots!

In this episode, Arvind Narayanan, professor of computer science and director of the Center for Information Technology Policy at Princeton University, shares a grounded perspective on what AI means for work.

Leveraging lessons from past technological advancements and responses, Arvind shows us just how many misconceptions there are about AI replacing workers and explains how we can ensure a positive and productive future with AI at work.

03:51 Beyond the hype and doom: AI as Normal Technology and what it means for work

06:40 Breaking down misconceptions about AI replacing workers

10:16 Why diffusion or uptake of AI is actually slow

12:48 AI benchmarks aren’t telling us what they’re capable of (ex. The Turing Test)

15:44 Existential threats from superintelligence will be brought about by those most worried about it

19:50 An increasing percentage of human jobs will be related to “AI control” (ex. software engineering)

23:10 Roadblocks for successful integration of AI into your workflow and how to overcome them (reliability of AI outputs, workplace scaffolds, deskilling, integration with other tools)

27:33 What sectors or types of jobs will be most impacted by AI? (software, media, & law)

30:32 How AI will affect workers: diminishing share of income, disruption of training pipelines, lowered work satisfaction

34:49 Agent-agent interaction trends (ex. Moltbook) and what it means for work

37:00 Last words of comfort on “AI will take everybody’s jobs” (lessons from the past)

41:12 Commentary by Rose & Angy

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This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.

Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ⁠ourliveswithbots.com⁠.

Hilke Schellmann, author of The Algorithm, shares with us about how bots can hire, monitor, and fire you.

This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.

Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ⁠ourliveswithbots.com⁠.

Welcome to episode 2 for Series X - “What’s the (AI) Hype?” - where we discuss what’s been happening in the world of artificial intelligence in the past few weeks.

The whole mark of this series is that there is no thread, just a string of hype debated by two psychologists/AI ethicists who love to harp on about Our Lives With Bots.

In this episode, we cover Google’s new personal intelligence, advertising in ChatGPT (but not Claude), AI attachment and empathy hacking, SuperBowl AI ads, fake jobs for AI data mills, an AI toy that leaked private conversations with kids, asking Grok for fact checks on X, Apple’s acquirement of a telepathic AI company, AI pets that patronize you…and more.

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This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.

Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ⁠ourliveswithbots.com⁠.

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Links:

Google’s new personal intelligence

Advertising is coming to ChatGPT. But not to Claude oooo (Sam Altman claps back)

AI is hacking attachment and empathy (and should not pretend to have consciousness or emotion)

AI toy Bondu exposed 50k logs of its chats with kids to anyone with a gmail account

What happens when your process of forming beliefs is offloaded onto a chatbot?

Anthropic’s patterns of disempowerment

@ Grok is this true?

ChatGPT launches ChatGPT Health

The AI pet is here (in China)

Apple acquires Q [dot] AI, a surveillance tool
AlterEgo, the “near-telepathic AI”

Hot take? I suppose we should leave it to you to decide. But we'll still add in our opinion, of course. 

Moltbook ISN'T NEW, it's just hyped. And expected. And yet...still interesting and worthwhile to [insert: laugh, sigh...freak out?] about. Especially when it involves renting a human (because robots need your body to get through CAPTCHA, of course).

Enjoy hearing about Moltbook (and its predecessor, AI Village) from the perspective of two psychologists/AI ethicists, Rose and Angy.

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This is Our Lives With Bots, the show where we ask important, timely questions about what it means to live with our bot counterparts. From time to time, we also dive deep into what an AI future might look like for us. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we spiral, but we always go deep.

Rose and Angy are psychologists with degrees in psychology, artificial intelligence, and ethics. They have conducted research in human-AI interaction and created this podcast to make information about AI accessible to you. You can learn more about us at ⁠ourliveswithbots.com⁠.

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Links:

Inside Moltbook: The Social Network Where AI Agents Talk And Humans Just Watch

Matt’s X post

AI Village

Gemini freaks out

A psychologist comes to Gemini’s aid