The dedicated yogi and founder of the Schoolof.yoga Joan Hyman discusses the foundation of her interest in yoga and her lifelong spiritual journey with Out of the Cloud’s host Anne V Mühlethaler. 

First Joan shares her background growing up in Philadelphia and her journey into yoga, which she first encountered while pursuing a dance career. She discusses the importance of finding her voice as a teacher and the role of lineages and traditions in yoga. Joan also explains the yoga concept of Tapas and reaching the edge in one's practice. 

Joan has built a following worldwide, as she’s been travelling to offer teacher training since 2010, and she reflects on the challenges and rewards of teaching internationally. She tells Anne about the creation of her Schoolof.yoga and her vision for its future, as well as her hopes for the future of yoga as a whole, including the importance of having great teachers continuing to teach and keep the lineage alive. 

Joan also talks about her new 300h teacher training program, and how she came to collaborate with world-renowned teachers, including Lisa Walford, Annie Carpenter, and many others.Together they have developed a comprehensive curriculum that covers various aspects of yoga, including pranayama and how the practice changes along with the practitioner's age. 

Joan also highlights the importance of incorporating healing modalities into yoga, such as trauma-informed practices. She explains how trauma affects the nervous system and emphasises the role of the parasympathetic nervous system in healing. 

To end, Joan shares her favourite yoga sutra, Pradipaksha Bhavanam, which encourages replacing negative thoughts with positive ones. Wanting to end on the importance of slowing down and enjoying life, she also tells Anne about the impact of India on her spiritual journey and how travel has opened up her mind ‘like an umbrella’.

A warm and inspiring interview with a master teacher. Happy listening!

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Selected links from episode 

You can find Joan on Instagram @JoanHymanSchoolofyoga

On Youtube

Her yoga school is Schoolof.Yoga

Her upcoming offerings including her Bali retreat are available here: https://www.schoolof.yoga/events

Jivamukti Yoga

Maty Ezraty

Lisa Walford

Marla Apt

Cristina Holopainen

Annie Carpenter

Yogaworks

Mysore Yoga

Abhyasa

Tapas 

Utthita Trikonasana

The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali

Krya yoga

Sean Corn

Jean Heileman

K. Pattabhi Jois

Krishnamacharya

Pranayama

Light on Yoga by BKS Iyengar

The Vagus nerve

Drishti

Ali MacGraw and Eric Shiffman Yoga video on Youtube

Viparita Karani

Yoga Nidra or yogic sleep

Pratipakshabhavanam, Joan's favorite yoga sutra  - 2. 33, when negative thoughts arise, think the opposite.

Wild World by Cat Stevens

The Out of the Clouds playlist on Spotify

The Surrender Experiment by Michael Singer

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Takeaways

• Finding one's voice as a yoga teacher is an important aspect of teaching.
• Lineages and traditions in yoga provide a foundation of proven practices that have been passed down over time.
• Tapas, the willingness to endure and create a sense of purification, is an essential element of yoga practice.
• Meditation is a valuable practice in yoga that can be challenging but ultimately rewarding.
• Teaching yoga to different cultures requires adaptability and understanding of their unique needs and preferences.
• The School of Yoga aims to preserve the lineage and provide high-quality teacher trainings.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest

03:02 Joan Hyman's Background and Journey

12:04 Finding Her Voice as a Teacher

17:46 Religion and Spirituality in Joan's Life

20:37 The Importance of Lineages and Traditions in Yoga

27:10 Understanding Tapas and Reaching the Edge in Yoga

30:41 Joan's Journey in Meditation

35:01 Teaching Yoga Around the World and the School of Yoga

44:18 Teaching Different Cultures and Adapting to Students

47:34 The Future of the School of Yoga and Yoga Itself

48:57 Cultivating Excellence in Yoga Education

52:20 Yoga for Healing and Trauma

55:46 Activating the Parasympathetic Nervous System

56:32 The Wholeness of Shavasana

59:00 Upcoming Trainings and Retreats

01:00:26 Favorite Yoga Sutra: Pradipaksha Bhavanam

01:01:52 Grounding Rituals: Cooking and Nature

01:02:51 Favorite Word: Adaptability

01:03:35 Connection as Source and Authenticity

01:04:03 Favorite Song: Wild World by Cat Stevens

01:04:32 Secret Superpower: Overcoming Drug Use

01:05:02 Favorite Book: The Surrender Experiment by Michael Singer

01:06:06 Impactful Place: India

01:06:34 Advice from Future Self: Slow Down and Enjoy Life

01:07:08 What Brings Happiness: Being Grounded and with Loved Ones

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In this episode of Out of the Clouds, Sridevi Kalidindi CBE, or Sri, an experienced, multi-award winning, senior Consultant Psychiatrist and Leadership/Executive Coach, discusses her journey in the field of psychiatry and the importance of proactive mental health care. She tells host Anne Mühlethaler how she learned to become an advocate for the patients and communities she works for, emphasising the need for storytelling and narrative in communication. The two go on to discuss the impact of stress and burnout on mental health professionals in particular, as well as their own personal experiences of burnout. Sri shares how she became more conscious and proactive about her own wellbeing via the support of a coach.

Sri also tells Anne how she came to develop klipGlobal, a startup she founded with the goal of focusing on key life indicators to monitor workforce wellbeing through coaching, masterclasses and mindfulness practices to promote proactive employee support in the workplace. 

Sri explains how she built the startup to allow individuals to track their own progress, as well asr for chief people officers to be able to monitor the general wellbeing of their teams. Sri tells Anne about how wellbeing can be pitched to businesses, emphasising the positive impact on employee engagement, productivity and retention. 

Always interested in scientific data, Sri highlights the importance of case studies and leaning on evidence-based tools to demonstrate the return on investment in wellbeing programs. Sri also discusses her role as a National Clinical Lead for mental health rehabilitation in NHS England and the positive impact of her work in improving rehabilitation services across the country. 

Anne asks Sri to talk about her personal meditation practice, and she goes on to speak about the power of finding joy within oneself. Their conversation concludes with Sri sharing her favourite word, the importance of connection and what brings her happiness.

A profound and insightful interview. Happy listening! 

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Klip Global

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Sri's choice of song 'I believe in miracles' by the Jackson Sisters

Sri's favorite book is The Prophet, by Khalil Gibran.

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In this episode of Out of the Clouds, host Anne Muhlethaler speaks to her friend, the beauty entrepreneur Bridgitte Dempsey Klein, founder of French natural skincare brand Yanne Wellness.  

In their conversation, Anne gets to ask Bridgitte to tell her about her journey from Toronto to London, where the two met thanks to their mutual friend Stephanie. Bridgitte shares about her love of travel, how important her French mother’s influence was on her, and how she moved from studying at the London School of Economics with diplomatic pursuits in mind before making a switch to work in retail, later landing in beauty PR and communication. 

In a super pivot, Bridgitte shares how she left her role at Lancôme to set up Corbin, a bespoke fur business in Paris. The two explore Bridgitte’s experience in brand building, and creating unique pieces in the French capital, with all its savoir-faire and artisans, and how this has in turn informed her approach to Yanne Wellness. While she was establishing Corbin, Bridgitte also worked for her Canadian family’s business, The Dempsey Corporation. 

The Franco-Canadian entrepreneur shares how she also drew inspiration from her grandmother for Corbin Paris, and later her mother, Yanne, whose influence can be felt at all levels of the new venture Yanne Wellness. Bridgitte also shares the stories of the several key moments that culminated in the pitch for this natural brand that combines innovative skincare and food supplement systems in what she calls a new kind of wellness.

Anne and Bridgitte also talk about authentic ingredients, the French spa culture, 'neo-thalassos', the future of beauty and how Bridgitte wants to bottle up the goodness of the sea to bring vitality and glowing skin to Yanne’s clientele. 

A warm, inspiring and generous interview. Happy listening! 

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Selected links from episode 

You can find Bridgitte on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/bridgitte-dempsey-klein-9565b912/

Yanne Wellness - https://www.yannewellness.com/en/home

The Dempsey Corporation  - https://dempseycorporation.com/

Thalasso, short for Thalassotherapy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalassotherapy

A Suitable Boy, the novel - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Suitable_Boy

The Out of the Clouds Playlist - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4Viqm1uiiHtM5Y0FwTCtFR?si=a9262de5dfce4449

including Bridgitte's chosen song 'A Hard Headed Woman', by Cat Stevens 

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Cath and Jeremy Brown are the couple behind the beloved design brand Feldspar Studio (@feldsparstudio), known for its useful everyday items, made properly by the careful hands of master craftspeople in their two workshops in England. 

The couple talk to Anne, who supported them early on as a consultant, about their early careers, how the two met (a very romantic story) and explain how they left London for Devon on a whim after Cath got pregnant with their first son, Milo. They also relay to Anne how they got their hand into ceramics and how, not much after, they decided to turn this creative experiment into a bona fide company. 

Jeremy is used to wearing many different hats, with a background in art and design from Goldsmith’s College and an expertise in woodwork from an earlier time. He also worked for the UN and later the International Trade Center (part of WTO) with ethical and sustainable artisans workshops in remote communities. Meanwhile Cath went from the art world to architecture, building schools in her last job.

Both are obsessed with having total control over the design, production and packaging of their products, and the pair, balanced in their skill sets, explain how they split the work between themselves but ultimately make all their decisions together. 

Their famously ‘wonky’ products are considered designs, as Cath explains, made mindfully for superior enjoyment — like the dimples in their coffee mugs or the perfect pour of their teapot. The two are equally excited at the idea to continue to grow the product range while committing to work with labour-intensive crafts that are currently endangered in the UK. 

With the goal of continuing to make things by hand, the Feldspar duo offer a fresh approach to old materials, creating designs to outlive the owner — true objects for life. 

Jeremy and Cath also tell Anne about the importance of regularly reevaluating their lifestyle as the company grows, so that they stay true to their priorities: spending time with each other and with their kids. 

Cath then shares the story of her Neapolitan great-great-grandpa’s cookbook and chats to Anne about the studio’s upcoming collaborations with artist Tanya Ling. 

The couple end by revealing their dream future for Felspar, a holistic experience which they jokingly describe as ‘Google, but for making things’. 

A joyful and insightful conversation with an inspiring entrepreneurial duo. Happy listening!

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Selected links from episode 

https://feldspar.studio/pages/about

Dartmoor - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartmoor

The Monmouth Coffee Company - https://www.monmouthcoffee.co.uk/

Mint Gallery London - https://www.mintgallery.co.uk/

Alex Eagle Studio - https://alexeagle.com/

Matches Fashion - https://www.matchesfashion.com/

The Conran Shop - https://www.conranshop.co.uk/

Sir Terrence Conran - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_Conran

Stoke on Trent and pottery - https://www.tat-london.co.uk/post/the-potteries-of-stoke-on-trent

Berdoulat Interiors in Bath

The Canelé pastry that inspired the ceiling rose - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canel%C3%A9

The Feldspar x Berdoulat lampshade collaboration - https://feldspar.studio/collections/collaborations

Tanya Ling

The original Feldspar x Tanya Ling collaboration - https://feldspar.studio/blogs/news/feldspar-tanya-ling-studi

Bagatelle board - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagatelle

The whole of the moon by the Water Boys

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Rahshaana Green is a multidisciplinary wellness consultant who combines her knowledge and experience in science, yoga and building human connection to help people heal. She’s a Forrest Yoga Guardian and the Director of Equity and Contemplative Psychotherapy at the Nalanda Institute, where she directs and teaches within the Contemplative Psychotherapy Programs.

In their conversation, Rahshaana tells Anne about being a curious kid, a high performer and voracious reader who used books as windows into other worlds. She talks about how she learned the power of agency from her mother, who taught her and her siblings, with a ‘scared-straight’ approach, how to make choices to take life into the direction they intended. The oldest of four, Rahshaana admits that her choices were also a potential blueprint for her siblings, and how a desire to influence them positively led her to pursue an early career in science. 

After receiving her BA in Biophysical Chemistry from Dartmouth College and an MBA from The University of Texas at Austin, Rahshaana talks about how she combined her passion for science and business skills, which led her to pursue a fifteen-year career in Marketing and Business Development for medical device and life science companies.

Rahshaana then explains how an accident directed her towards yoga — Forrest Yoga specifically. Able to heal herself through this practice, she tells Anne how she made the choice to certify as a teacher and with the support of an amazing manager was able to do so in parallel to her career. She continued to pursue a personal study in meditation, mindfulness and compassion practices to deepen her own growth and to empower others to cultivate well-being and resilience.

Reaching the present, Anne asks Rahshaana to talk through her journey that led her to the Nalanda Institute in Contemplative Science (which is, incidentally, how the two became acquainted). Rahshaana talks in depth about the programs she teaches in Compassion-Based Resilience Training (CBRT). And who needs to explore CBRT? Probably everyone, according to her, because, as we can probably all attest, ‘human-ing’ is hard. 

To conclude, the pair discusses how the power of compassion and mindfulness combined can help people access emotions, including difficult emotions, and become resilient to feelings like discomfort. And they talk about the importance of intimacy — a word that can describe the connection we can hope to have with the body — as a form of ultimate intelligence. 

A profound and inspiring conversation. Happy listening!

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Selected Links from Episode

You can find Rahshaana via her website - https://www.rahshaanagreen.com/

On Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/rahshaana.green

On Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/rahshaanag/

and on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/rahshaana-green-71aa164

The Nanlanda  Institute for Contemplative Science - https://nalandainstitute.org/

Compassion-Based Resilience Training - https://nalandainstitute.org/compassion-based-resilience-training/

Forrest Yoga - https://forrest.yoga/

Listen to Rahshaana on Wonderstruck with Elizabeth Rovere - https://youtu.be/CgeTd79UEIU?si=BWtBwj__KZUFrd-O

Rev. angel Kyodo williams - https://revangel.com/

The song I Want A Little Sugar In My Bowl by Nina Simone - https://open.spotify.com/track/3NcJu9876GBJuNU6vJOrbb?si=528cf781c02b42dc

The book Song of Increase by Jacqueline Freeman - https://www.amazon.com/Song-Increase-Listening-Honeybees-Beekeeping/dp/1622037448

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Etienne Salborn is the founder of SINA (the Social Innovation Academy), a talent campus in Uganda. He also serves as a lecturer for social entrepreneurship at the Management Center Innsbruck and the ESCP Business School, resource person for the Asian Productivity Organization and facilitator for the ChangemakerXchange. His expertise and leadership have earned him recognition as an “AACSB Influential Leader 2021” and he was named an Innovation Ecosystem Builder Fellow by MIT D-lab in 2018.

The Berlin-born social entrepreneur has had quite the life journey since taking off for Uganda at age 18 for a volunteering community service (an option to eschew the German military service). In his conversation with Anne, he tells her about how he set up his first and then second non-profit organisations after he found his life’s mission: to support the empowerment of marginalised youth in rural Uganda. 

We discuss his very special master’s program in Austria, called Peace, Development, Security and International Conflict Transformation, and how it led him into a journey of self-discovery and experiential learning (which included simulation of a conflict war zone as well as mindfulness, meditation and contemplation on Austria’s mountains in minus 27 degree Celsius).

Etienne explains how SINA came to be, what three pillars underpin the project and how young students, or SINA scholars, are onboarded and grow their roles within the community, built as a self-organised system that runs on what the concept of ‘freesponsibility’ (freedom + responsibility). 

With people living and working in the community, Etienne explains how they have used models from Nonviolent Communication, holacracy, and his master’s program facilitation tools to help navigate change, conflict and feedback — something of a challenge in a flat structure of 60+ individuals. 

SINA’s goal is to help young people unleash their potential, create their own change and build their own social enterprises. Etienne shares how SINA has grown into a replicable model, building a new generation of social entrepreneurs who are solving challenges for society and the environment. With more than 12 communities across Uganda and other African countries, Etienne talks about what’s next, how we can support, engage with and even visit SINA, and why we should all explore the power of community. 

A unique interview with a thoughtful and impact-driven changemaker. Enjoy!

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Selected links from episode 

Find out more about SINA on their website : https://socialinnovationacademy.org/

And more about Etienne on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/etiennesalborn/

MCI, the Entrepreneurial School in Innsbruck, Austria - https://www.mci.edu/en/

Find out about the masters Etienne studied at the University of Innsbruck - https://www.uibk.ac.at/peacestudies/ma-program/index.html.en

More about UPeace, the UN's University for Peace - https://www.upeace.org/

The book Reinventing Organisations by Frederic Lalou: https://www.reinventingorganizations.com/

Chapter One, the book by Daniel Flynn - https://au.shop.thankyou.co/products/chapter-one-book

You can support SINA by purchasing products made by some of the social entrepreneur scholars retailing on Amazon:

Ouroots natural drinking straws

Totya Platform oven gloves produced by survivors of sexual violence

Clothing pegs from recycled plastic produced in the Bidibidi Refugee Settlement 

And here's Etienne's musical answer to the question 'what song best represents you/': https://open.spotify.com/intl-de/album/4WEWvXqZWhSKZRqWJ6lhDG

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Anaïs Sagesser is an impact-driven educational entrepreneur, learning designer, teacher and coach. Anaïs co-founded the non-profit Scaling4Good, she co-creates pioneering leadership development programs with the University of St Gallen, and was recently elected as a member for the scientific advisory board for transdisciplinarity at the Swiss Academies of Sciences. She also offers mindfulness and compassion practices in English and German on Insight Timer.  

Broadly speaking, Anaïs is dedicated to societal transformation through personal transformation, social equity and systems change.

In this interview, Anaïs tells Anne about how a trip abroad at age 15 opened up her perspective as to how a human life could unfold. She also shares the twists and turns that led her to study many different subjects, from business to comparative religious and Islamic studies, before landing herself a job in management consulting. 

She talks about seeking to serve and contribute to society, and how she went from her consulting role in business engineering and enterprise architecture to her involvement in the climate crisis response, becoming Swiss director and co-leader of Climate-KIC, the largest public-private partnership to foster innovation and entrepreneurship for climate change mitigation and adaptation.

Anaïs also shares how she went on to leave Climate-KIC to co-found the non-profit Scaling4Good, which aims to connect impact initiatives and institutions who are trying to do good to enable greater and faster systems change.

As Anne and Anaïs are both coaches and mindfulness and yoga teachers, they discuss the modalities of coaching, the search for meaning and purpose and how we all have this innate desire to do something good. Anaïs writes regularly on the topics of values and leadership, and offers her thoughts about the disconnection between individual and collectively held values. 

Anaïs also shares with Anne her favourite tips to connect with nature, culminating with the question: Who are you that I am also, and who am I that you are too?

A deep and insightful interview with a remarkable changemaker. Happy listening!

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Selected links from episode :

You can find out more about Anaïs on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/anaissaegesser/

Wikipedia (German) - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ana%C3%AFs_S%C3%A4gesser

and meditate with her (again in English and German) on Insight Timer - https://insighttimer.com/anaissaegesser

Find out more about Scaling4Good - https://scaling4good.com/

And the course in Regenerative Leadership Anaïs co-leads for the University of St. Gallen - https://es.unisg.ch/en/executive-programme/regenerative-leadership/ and a blog post she wrote about it- https://csi.unisg.ch/en/teaching/regenerative-leadership/

Loving Kindness or Mettā meditation (Maitri in Sanskrit) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitr%C4%AB

Sivananda - https://sivananda.org/

Caring Economics by Tania Singer and Matthieu Ricard with a foreword by his holiness the Dalai Lama - https://www.amazon.com/Caring-Economics-Conversations-Compassion-Scientists/dp/1250064120

Tania Singer - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tania_Singer

Climate Kick - https://www.climate-kic.org/

Mahadevi Yoga Centre in London - https://mahadevicentre.com/

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Gemma Colao is the co-founder and creative director of OTO (which rhymes with ‘photo’), a UK brand that was created to answer her desire to share the wonder of CBD with as many people as possible through luxurious products and meaningful experiences.

Gemma first talks to Anne about her fashion career, as a knitwear designer, and how she was drawn to design and ready-to-wear, inspired by her artist grandmother’s bold bohemian style. She started her career with an internship at DKNY, and after graduating from Central St Martins, Gemma worked for the likes of Clements Ribeiro before turning to Esprit and Marks & Spencers, among others. 

Gemma explains how she jumped on the opportunity to move to the US thanks to her husband. She tells Anne how the pace combined with the workload from her design job took a toll on her and how, sleep-deprived, she was battling anxiety and burnout — that is, until she found CBD. After a colleague made the suggestion to give it a try, Gemma shares what a revelation (or revolution, perhaps) this was for her. Thankfully, she felt the effects of CBD quickly, improving first the quality of her sleep, which in turn lessened her anxiety. This of course had a huge impact on the quality of her life. 

Inspired as she was by the possibilities offered by CBD, Gemma recounts how she and her husband then set out to open the first legal online dispensary in California. Later on, the couple returned to the UK to find that the quality of CBD products offered in that market was much lower, so Gemma explains how she saw this as an opportunity and that’s when they decided to create OTO. 

Anne herself admits knowing very little about CBD, so the two talk about the nitty gritty of what makes OTO CBD products effective and why they are formulated to feel luxurious but are also backed by science. Gemma shares her vision to build a brand that people can trust, and one that focuses on efficacy as well as experiences and moments, whether from the brand’s sleep drops, skincare or their new spa products and beverages (OTO made the first CBD bitters in the world). Anne also asks Gemma to speak to OTO’s recent acquisition of the wellness group South West Brands and how she hopes that the newly formed OTO Group becomes a portfolio of global female-focused wellness brands. 

Finally, the two exchange on their rituals, gratitude, journaling practises and what keeps Gemma grounded and balanced day to day, busy as she is with OTO and her two little boys at home. 

A rich and engaging interview with a highly creative entrepreneur. Happy listening!

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You can find out more about Gemma and OTO at OTO CBD - https://otocbd.com/

If you are in the US at https://us.otowellbeing.com/

Connect with Gemma on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/gemma-colao/

And you can follow the brand on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/oto_wellbeing/

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/otowellbeing

TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@oto_wellbeing

Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/@oto_wellbeing

And LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/otowellbeing/

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Deep Kailey (@IamDeepKailey) is a creative director, consultant and the artistic director of ‘Without Shape Without Form’ (WSWF), an interactive travelling exhibition that bridges the gap between art, spirituality and mental health, approached from the lens of Sikh wisdom. 

Prior to that, Deep held roles at Dazed and Confused, with Kim Jones and at Vogue India, and at one time was the fashion director for Tatler magazine. 

It’s in the context of fashion that Anne Muhlethaler, host of OOTC, became acquainted with Deep, when she was starting out as fashion editor for Vogue India in London. 

In this conversation, the two start with a tale of Deep asking herself ‘the big questions’ as a girl, after the passing of her mother. They talk about her journey through art school, fashion, how she found her way to Dazed and Confused, under Nichola Formichetti, and later her work as managing director for designer Kim Jones, who’s now at Dior and Fendi, respectively, as head of mens and womenswear. 

They move on to cover the story of how Deep found herself reconnecting with her Sikh roots in her late twenties, and she explains the meaning of the ‘game’ and the work of Simran, the focused practise for the mind (which sounds like but isn’t the same as meditation) that guided her to discover her own purpose and self-alignment. 

After cultivating this spiritual practise for many years, Deep has been working with a team of volunteers on WSWF, first an exhibition and now turned arts organisation, which offers visitors an experience that bridges the gap between art, spirituality and mental health. The project is meant to transcend cultural, social and racial barriers, and explores its subjects through Sikh teachings, bringing them into a contemporary context. 

Anne and Deep also discuss personal values, the dark power of gossip, the meaning of connection (and its opposite), and compare metaphors of inner landscapes and inner abodes, self-concept and safety. 

A very spiritual, resourced and open conversation. Happy listening!

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You can find Deep via her website https://deepkailey.com/

On Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/iamdeepkailey/

Without Shape Without Form - https://www.withoutshapewithoutform.com/

Simran - https://www.withoutshapewithoutform.com/simran-1

Sikhi - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism

Dazed & Confused - https://www.dazeddigital.com/

Nicola Formichetti - http://www.nicolaformichetti.com/about

Kim Jones - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jones_(designer)

Anna Harvey - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Harvey

Vogue India - https://www.vogue.in/

Bandana Tewari - https://www.businessoffashion.com/community/people/bandana-tewari

Condé Nast - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cond%C3%A9_Nast

Tatler Magazine - https://www.tatler.com/

Kate Reardon - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Reardon

The Guru Grant Sahib Ji, the holy book of scriptures

Deep's Gurdwara is the Guru Maneyo Granth Gurdwara in Slough, U.K.

The song/kirtan she chose is ਪਿਛਲੇਅਉਗੁਣਬਖਸਿਲਏਪ੍ਰਭੁਆਗੈਮਾਰਗਿਪਾਵੈ।।੨।।

or : pishhalae aougun bakhas leae prabh aagai maarag paavai ||2||

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