Madison Boats: Water, Wellness, and Community Building - Welcome back to the Outdoor Adventure Series! In today’s episode, we have another spotlight on Madison, Wisconsin—host of the 2026 Outdoor Writers Association of America annual conference. Joining us is Tyler Leeper, owner of Madison Boats, whose lifelong passion for the water has transformed into a thriving community-building business on Madison’s beautiful lakes. 

From humble beginnings as a young entrepreneur to developing programs that connect people of all backgrounds to outdoor experiences, Tyler shares how Madison Boats has evolved beyond paddling into a hub of events, education, and inclusivity. We’ll explore the city’s unique urban outdoor landscape, creative events on the water, the crucial role of environmental stewardship, and how Madison Boats welcomes visitors for unforgettable adventures. Whether you’re a seasoned paddler, an outdoor enthusiast, or simply looking for your next travel destination, this episode dives deep into the power of connecting with nature—and each other—right in the heart of Madison.

DISCUSSION

Introduction & Setting the Scene

• Welcome to the Outdoor Adventure Series podcast
• This episode is sponsored by Destination Madison, Host of the OWAA's Annual Conference
• Focus on Madison, Wisconsin as a destination for events and recreation
• Introduction of Tyler Leeper, owner of Madison Boats
• Tyler’s greeting and excitement for hosting the conference

Tyler's Background and Connection to Water

• Childhood experiences with watercraft and family vacations
• Growing up in Wisconsin and moving to Madison
• International travel and attending college in Portland, Oregon
• Returning to Madison and entering the boating business in his 20's

Developing Madison Boats as a Business

• Early business goals and financial aspirations
• Learning business through classes and practical application
• Balancing work in a medical startup with growing the boathouse
• Shift from personal enjoyment to community building focus
• Emphasis on selling community and time with others vs. skill-based activities

Community Engagement and Activities

• Transition to activities that prioritize bringing people together
• Range of watercraft offered (duck and swan paddle boats, paddle boards, kayaks, pontoons)
• Focus on accessible, user-friendly equipment to lower participation barriers

Events and Creative Programming

• Hosting 152 public-facing events annually across 120 days
• Examples: SUP yoga, sound bath sessions, Learn-to-Paddle programs
• Signature events like full moon paddles, burgers on the bay with live bands
• Importance of creativity and seasonal business evaluation (R&D during off-season)

Staffing and Team Structure

• Growth from 6 to 130 employees, relying on a mix of young staff and retirees
• Seasonal employment and job structure
• Approach to training and job expectations (boater safety license, in-service training, shadow shifts)
• Mentoring and fostering responsibility in young employees

Accessibility, Diversity, and Community Partnerships

• Commitment to accessibility for people with disabilities
• Working with organizations to make outings possible for all
• Supporting diverse hiring programs and partnerships with local schools and youth groups

Environmental Stewardship and Local Nature

• Madison’s unique combination of urban and natural environments
• Improvement in lake health and community involvement
• Acknowledgement of Clean Lakes Alliance and community-driven lake advocacy
• Personal anecdotes highlighting urban wildlife and community experiences (e.g., bullfrog, cranes at events)

Madison Boats Website & User Experience

• Overview of web design philosophy for easy navigation
• Features of the website: locations, rental options, events, memberships, camps
• Quick tour and explanation of the three main boathouse locations (Wingra, Brittingham, Marshall)
• Specifics about each location’s offerings and unique features

Participation in OWAA's Upcoming Conferences

• Planned involvement in Outdoor Writers Association of America’s annual conference
• Description of special excursions, e.g., pontoon and kayak trips interwoven with local history and nature
• Pre-conference and ongoing discounts for conference participants

Reflection on Lifestyle and Career Choices

• Discussion on the importance of loving one’s work vs. financial gain
• Tyler’s "aha" moments and decision to maintain the business as a lifestyle choice
• Challenges of balancing growth, personal enjoyment, and responsibilities as an entrepreneur
• Value of direct community engagement and hands-on work

Recommendations for Visitors and Final Thoughts

• Encouragement to explore Madison and take an extra day for local experiences
• Information on where to find Madison Boats online (website, social media)
• Summary of Madison’s appeal as a water-focused, four-season destination

Podcast Conclusion & Sponsor Acknowledgement

• Recap of episode, Tyler’s philosophy, and community building
• Where to find the podcast and Madison Boats online
• Invitation for future episodes and thanks to Destination Madison for sponsorship

LEARN MORE

Website: To learn more about the Madison Boats, visit their website at https://www.madisonboats.com/ or their social sites:

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/marshallboatsandcafe

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/wingraboats/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/brittinghamboats

Destination Madison: https://www.visitmadison.com/

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Madison Boats, Marshall Boats, Lake Mendota, Wingra Boats, Lake Wingra, Brittingham Boats, Lake Monona, Destination Madison, Outdoor Adventure Series, Podcast Interview, OWAA

#MadisonBoats #MarshallBoats #LakeMendota #WingraBoats #LakeWingra #BrittinghamBoats #LakeMonona #DestinationMadison #OutdoorAdventureSeries #PodcastInterview #OWAA #OWAA2026

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Welcome back to the Outdoor Adventure Series! In this episode, Howard sits down with Melissa Pierick, Director of Marketing and Community Relations for the Ice Age Trail Alliance. Melissa shares her personal journey of discovering the Ice Age National Scenic Trail—an incredible 1,200-mile adventure that winds through Wisconsin, right past the state capital of Madison. 

Melissa offers insight into the trail’s all-season appeal, the vibrant community of “thousand milers,” and the surprising beauty waiting around every corner. We’ll also learn about the Alliance’s dedicated volunteers, the communities supporting the trail, and how you can get involved— Plus, we'll get a sneak peek at upcoming events, including a unique, behind-the-scenes opportunity for attendees of the OWAA's annual conference in Madison this August to explore future trail segments and enjoy Wisconsin’s unrivaled hospitality. 

Get ready to be inspired to get outside and start your own adventure on the Ice Age Trail!

DISCUSSION

Introduction and Welcome

• Introduction of Melissa Pierick, her role, and a fun fact about Madison 00:34, 00:49

Melissa Background and Trail Discovery

• Howard asks about her connection to the Madison area and the Ice Age Trail 01:01
• Melissa describes living in Wisconsin and not discovering the trail until 2019 01:16
• Reflections on discovering new places through the trail 03:49, 04:49

Ice Age Trail Details and "Thousand Miler" Journey

• The 1200-mile span of the trail 05:36
• "Thousand miler" achievement and culture 06:00
• Contrast with thru-hiking culture on other trails 06:06

Trail as an All-Season Experience

• Discussion about hiking in various seasons 07:55

Community Involvement and Support Along the Trail

• Local community engagement 09:10
• Overview of the Ice Age Trail’s passage through over 130 communities 10:09
• Description of official Ice Age Trail communities and their partnership with the Alliance 10:43
• Local business involvement and hospitality 11:15

Trail Use and Permitted Activities

• Permitted trail activities beyond hiking 12:50
• Trail is designated as a footpath (hiking, snowshoeing, skiing, running, backpacking, walking) 13:08
• Exceptions for biking on certain segments (urban paths, rails-to-trails) 13:27
• Rules for “thousand miler” qualification (must be on foot) 13:46

Trail Geography and Hiker Demographics

• Map overview and curiosity about hiker origins 14:14
• Explanation of trail route across Wisconsin and locations connected 14:31
• Hiker demographics: Wisconsin, nearby states (Illinois, Minnesota), international visitors 14:51, 15:29

Trail History and Organizational Structure

• National Scenic Trail designation in 1980 16:37
• Historical background: conservationist origins, failed national park effort, scientific reserve units 16:52
• Organization of the alliance, dating back to the 1950s 18:27

Volunteerism on the Ice Age Trail

• Volunteer numbers (around 2,000 annually) 19:12
• Wide range of volunteer activities 20:15

Website Tour and Online Resources

• Guided walk-through of the Alliance website 23:24
• Highlights of the interactive trail map and how it's updated 24:21
• Explanation of key map features 25:37
• Exploration of specific trail features (Devil’s Lake, ferry crossing, local ice cream shops) 28:43
• Elevation range and features 29:562

Upcoming OWAA Conference and Post-Tour

• Details about the August OWAA conference in Madison 38:17
• Description of the post-conference tour with the Ice Age Trail Alliance 34:36

Reflections on Meaningful Work and Community Impact

• “aha moments” and meaningful experiences 39:06
• Melissa discusses gratitude, the supportive hiker community, and the fulfilling impact of her work 39:21

"Obituary Builder" Insight

• Meaningful, memorable life activities over career achievements 43:00

LEARN MORE

Website: To learn more about the Ice Age Trail Alliance, visit their website at https://IceAgeTrail.org or their social sites:

Facebook 1: https://www.facebook.com/iceagetrail       
Facebook 2: https://www.facebook.com/groups/525543867532782/
Instagram: http://instagram/iceagetrailorg

Destination Madison: https://www.visitmadison.com/

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Ice Age Trail Alliance, Ice Age Trail, Thousand Miler, Monty the Mammoth, Destination Madison, Madison Wisconsin, National Scenic Trail, National Park Service, Outdoor Adventure Series, Podcast Interview, OWAA

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Welcome to another episode of the Outdoor Adventure Series! Today, Howard welcomes Rand R. Timmerman, Esq., author of A Spiritual Passage, a captivating memoir chronicling the journey of two brothers in their seventies as they hike the Appalachian Trail. Together, they explore not only the physical and logistical challenges of tackling 2,200 miles through 14 states, but also the deeper, spiritual lessons discovered along the way.

In this episode, Rand opens up about his past struggles with alcoholism, his service in the Marine Corps during Vietnam, and how these experiences shaped his outlook and resilience. He shares intimate reflections on his relationship with his brother, their different paths in life, and how they ultimately came together for this extraordinary adventure. Listeners will hear about the duo’s unorthodox hiking strategies, encounters with quirky and inspiring hikers, moments of physical and emotional hardship, and the powerful aha moments that made this trek a truly transformative experience.

Whether you’re a hiking enthusiast or drawn to stories of redemption and connection, this conversation offers insight, humor, and inspiration for anyone seeking to find meaning on or off the trail.

DISCUSSION

00:00 Growing up in rural New York

04:43 Personal growth and self-discovery

08:43 Reflecting on Childhood and Family Paths

10:16 College struggles and joining the Marines

15:13 Marines deployment in Puerto Rico

18:49 Discovering his alcoholism struggle

22:26 Family gatherings and sibling dynamics

24:51 Preparing for the Hiking Journey

28:30 Experiencing challenges on the trail

29:24 Hiking with his brother

33:37 A friendly walking competition

36:04 Influential figures on the trail

40:24 Coaching while hiking trails

45:14 Climbing Mount Washington

47:23 Ron's aha moment on Father's Day

49:29 Making a tough decision

55:16 Rand Timmerman and his book

55:58 Rand Timmerman's journey photos

LEARN MORE

Website: https://www.randtimmerman.com/

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Rand Timmerman, A Spiritual Passage, Sobriety, Appalachian Trail, Brotherhood, Outdoor Adventure Series, Podcast Interview, Podmatch

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Exploring Map2Moments: DeeJay Laughbon’s Journey to Stress-Free Travel Planning - Welcome back to the Outdoor Adventure Series! In this episode, Howard sits down with  DeeJay Laughbon, the founder of Map2Moments—a travel planning platform born from the belief that planning should be the easiest part of every trip. 

Join us as DeeJay shares her personal journey from Oregon’s lush green landscapes to Utah’s mountains, and how pandemic-era adventures inspired the creation of a tool to make group and solo travel effortless. Whether you’re a concert enthusiast, a camping lover, or just want to simplify your travel logistics, this episode explores how Map2Moments helps coordinate trips, tackles the real stressors of planning, and brings technology and community together to make memorable moments happen. Stick around for a live demo and hear what’s next for this innovative platform!

DISCUSSION

00:00 Introducing DeeJay

05:07 Adjusting to Immigration Challenges

07:13 Improving ticket purchase with AI

10:12 Discovering travel coordination needs

14:19 Planning travel after Navy service

19:06 Trip planning and coordination

20:14 Planning a Trip Itinerary

24:16 Trip planning and booking options

28:40 User experience customization

32:00 Developing a Useful Product Idea

35:07 Join the Map2Moments Beta

36:07 Closing and sign-off message

LEARN MORE

Website: https://map2moments.com/ 

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61577533024608

Instagram: @map2moments.com

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DeeJayLaughbon, Map2Moments, Outdoor Adventure Series, Podcast Interview, Podmatch

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Protecting Midwest Flyways and Local Habitats with the Southern Wisconsin Bird Alliance - Welcome to another episode of the Outdoor Adventure Series! In today’s episode, we’re joined by Matt Reetz, Executive Director of the Southern Wisconsin Bird Alliance. Supported by Destination Madison—host of the 2026 Outdoor Writers Association of America annual conference—we’re shining a spotlight on why Madison, Wisconsin, and the surrounding Dane County communities are such exceptional destinations for outdoor enthusiasts, family getaways, and nature lovers alike.

Matt shares insights into the Alliance’s long-standing history of bird conservation, education, and community engagement, tracing its roots back to the 1930s and detailing how it has grown into a regional leader. Discover the joy of birding, the importance of protecting our feathered friends, and the many ways the next generation is being inspired to connect with nature. Plus, get a behind-the-scenes tour of the Alliance’s diverse programs, wildlife sanctuaries, and educational resources—perfect for anyone planning a trip to Madison or looking to get involved in local conservation efforts.

So grab your binoculars and join us as we explore the wonders of southern Wisconsin’s outdoor adventures and the vital role of birds and their habitats in our communities!

DISCUSSION

00:00 Evolution of Madison Birding Club

05:33 Making birding accessible for everyone

08:52 Environmental education and outreach in Wisconsin

14:07 Seeing kids excited about birds

15:20 Inspiring underserved kids through nature

20:17 Exploring our website resources

23:41 Land conservation and wildlife sanctuaries

25:04 Upcoming OWAA event plans

30:21 Planning birding activities in Madison

33:00 Discussing the impact on kids

34:40 Getting into birdwatching

39:30 Staying connected

MEDIA

Bird declines have been significant since 1970. There are many reasons and many potential ways to help. https://www.birds.cornell.edu/home/bring-birds-back

https://www.wkow.com/news/lights-out-wisconsin-works-to-reduce-light-pollution-and-help-bird-migration/article_64420fdb-c139-4dd5-a903-931b5767aa7b.html

https://www.wpr.org/nature/tips-birding-spring-matt-reetz

https://swibirds.org/bird-nature-blog 

LEARN MORE

Website: https://swibirds.org/
Facebook: http://facebook.com/swibirds/
Instagram: http://instagram.com/swibirds
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@SWiBirds
Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/3MvIS8MbZ1otvW8GRVzMLL?si=1006a356e28246b0

Destination Madison: https://www.visitmadison.com/

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Matthew Reetz, Southern Wisconsin Bird Alliance, SoWBA, Destination Madison, Outdoor Adventure Series, Podcast Interview, OWAA

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Blister Pop Adventures: The Ultimate Guide to America’s Epic Day Hikes - Welcome back to the Outdoor Adventure Series! In today’s episode, Howard sits down with Philip Clark, founder of Blister Pop Adventures and host of the Off You Pop Podcast. Based in Reno, Nevada, Philip has dedicated himself to helping “ordinary people” tackle epic, challenging day hikes across America—and beyond.

Through Blister Pop Adventures, Philip curates in-depth hiking guides to some of the most iconic and demanding one-day hikes, from desert ascents to mountainous treks, aiming to inspire others to overcome their fear of the wilderness and discover their own limits. He shares insights into preparing for these adventures, the importance of training and humility on the trail, and the camaraderie found atop the country’s highest peaks.

We’ll also explore how Philip turned his passion for adventure into a business and a podcast, and what it takes to bring others along on this journey—whether you’re collecting the full set of hike cards or simply taking your first step outside the front door. So lace up those boots and get ready for a deep dive into the adventure lifestyle, the lessons learned on the trail, and what it’s like to summit both mountains and new challenges.

DISCUSSION

00:00 Creating hiking guides

03:41 Planning safe iconic US hikes

07:41 Designing Iconic and Recognizable Hikes

12:02 Getting started with hiking basics

15:56 Challenges of Overestimating Fitness

18:03 Attempting a Guinness World Record

21:52 Documenting hiking adventures

23:43 Sharing experiences with real guides

27:19 Launching the Tahoe hiking challenge

32:56 Tough final miles on Whitney

33:48 Hiking experiences in California

41:20 Finding Blister Pop and Podcast Links

LEARN MORE

To learn more about Philip and BlisterPop, visit the website at https://www.blisterpopadventures.com/ and their social sites:

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/953330611196045

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/blisterpophikes

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@blisterpopadventures

KEYWORDS

Philip Clark, Blisterpop Adventures, Outdoor Adventure Series, Podcast Interview, PodMatch

#PhilipClark #BlisterpopAdventures #OutdoorAdventureSeries #PodcastInterview #PodMatch

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Welcome back to the Outdoor Adventure Series, the podcast that celebrates those who explore, steward, and enjoy the great outdoors. In this episode, host Howard Fox reconnects with returning guest Emanuel Rose—outdoor enthusiast, digital nomad, and award-winning author—for an in-depth conversation about life and work on the road. 

With Emanuel’s wealth of experience, they dive into the practical systems, gear, and mindset needed to thrive as a full-time digital nomad, from staying connected in remote locations and creating a mobile office to camp cooking, essential gear, and managing the unexpected. 

Whether you’re dreaming of working beneath the open sky or planning your first off-grid adventure, this episode is packed with insights and encouragement to help you embrace life beyond the pavement.

DISCUSSION

00:00 Introductions and Catching-up

05:34 Battery backup and charging setup

06:33 Discussing portable charger needs

11:53 Outdoor setup and work gear

15:54 Packing for a Camping Trip

16:42 Packing and organizing outdoor gear

22:04 Organizing gear with dedicated totes

25:14 Planning Your First Camping Trip

29:29 Setting up a camp kitchen

31:47 Emanuel's off-grid lifestyle systems

LEARN MORE

To learn more about Emaanuel and his adventures, visit his website at https://emanuelrose.com.

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KEYWORDS

Emanuel Rose, Nature Bound, Wenaha Henry, Digital Nomad, Howard Fox, Outdoor Adventure Series, Podcast Interview

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Discover why Newberry Springs is much more than just a quick pit stop on your road trip through the high desert. In this episode, Chamber Officer/Ambassador and entrepreneur Karla Claus shares her insider secrets on the historic Route 66 landmarks, hidden petroglyphs, and local gems that will make this town a must-visit multi-day destination. Tune in to learn how to plan your perfect getaway and support the small businesses that are putting this vibrant community on the map. 

DISCUSSION

00:00 Promoting Newberry Springs tourism

04:48 Creating a visitor center and park

08:07 Exploring Newberry Springs attractions

13:05 Starting a Route 66 tour business

15:01 Launching a lakeside wedding business

17:40 Promoting Newberry Springs tourism

LEARN MORE

Newberry Springs Chamber of Commerce: https://newberryspringschamber.com

Route 66 Tours CA: https://Route66toursca.com

Discover Newberry Springs: https://discovernewberrysprings.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/NewberrySpringsChamber/

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Karla Claus, Route 66 Tours CA, Newberry Springs Chamber of Commerce, Route 66 Centennial, Outdoor Adventure Series, Podcast Interview

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 Ghost Town Road | Country Artist Ryan Bodine Talks Newberry Springs & Route 66. 

Welcome back to the Outdoor Adventure Series! In this episode, we're in Newberry Springs, California, to celebrate the centennial anniversary of Route 66 and the community’s lively “Birthday Bash.” 

Today’s guest is local legend Ryan Bodine, a fourth-generation Newberry Springs native and rising country western singer-songwriter. Ryan shares stories about his deep family roots in the high desert, how his upbringing and the tight-knit local community inspired his music—including his debut album, "Ghost Town Road"—and the unlikely journey from introverted guitarist to Nashville recording artist. Get ready for an inspiring conversation about heritage, the power of music, and the connections that tie us to the places—and people—that shape our stories.

DISCUSSION

1. Introduction and Setting
2. Ryan Bodine's Family Roots and Community Connection
3. Changes in the Community and Their Influence on Music
4. Beginning in Music: Family Influence and Personal Motivations
5. Transition to Performing and Songwriting
6. Current Career, Motivations, and Achievements
7. Community Reception and Support
8. Insights Into the Making of Ghost Town Road and Songwriting
9. Audience Impact and Multigenerational Appeal
10. History and Legacy of the Family Home
11. Newberry Springs Landmarks and Local History
12. Ways to Find Ryan Bodine's Music and Support His Career

LEARN MORE

Ryan Bodine:  https://www.ryanbodine.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/natalie.bodine.5

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanbodine.music 

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK8YhR5pkCMe95xXSDC2cdA

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Ryan Bodine, Ghost Town Road, Newberry Springs Chamber of Commerce, Route 66 Centennial, Outdoor Adventure Series, Podcast Interview

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Liberty Sculpture Park - Welcome back to the Outdoor Adventure Series! In this episode, Howard Fox travels to Newberry Springs, California, to celebrate the Route 66 centennial and brings listeners an inspiring conversation right from the heart of the Mojave Desert. 

Join Howard Fox as he sits down with renowned sculptor Weiming Chen at the remarkable Liberty Sculpture Park in Yermo. Together, they explore the origins of this unique outdoor gallery, its powerful sculptures celebrating liberty and freedom, and the stories of sacrifice and hope behind each piece. 

Whether you're a road tripper or an art enthusiast, this episode reveals how one artist's passion for freedom and democracy has created a destination that resonates with visitors from around the world. Stay tuned for insights into the creative process, the challenges of building art in the desert, and how you can experience and support Liberty Sculpture Park for yourself.

DISCUSSION

• Introduction of Weiming Chen and His Work
• The Mission and Significance of Liberty Sculpture Park
• Significant Sculptures and Their Meanings
• Artistic Inspiration and Choices
• Representation of Global Struggles and Sacrifice
• Upcoming and Recent Works
• Artistic Materials and Techniques
• Community and Support Structure
• Emotional and Social Impact of the Park
• Local Environment, Challenges, and Adaptation
• Accessibility and Visitor Experience
• Ways to Connect, Donate, and Further Information

LEARN MORE

Liberty Sculpture Park: https://www.libertysculpturepark.com/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@libertysculpturepark

Twitter: https://x.com/CHENWEIMING2017?

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Liberty Sculpture Park, Weiming Chen, Newberry Springs Chamber of Commerce, Route 66 Centennial, Outdoor Adventure Series, Podcast Interview

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