In this moving episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa speaks with Dianna from Free Rain International, an organisation dedicated to rescuing and restoring victims of s*x trafficking. From the heartbreaking reality of life in slums and brothels to the story of the very first girl freed, Dianna shares the challenges, victories, and gospel-centered hope at the heart of their work. Together they discuss the invisible chains of slavery, the risks of confronting brothel owners, the trauma survivors face, and the healing journey through education, counselling, and faith in Jesus.

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0:00 – Coming Up
0:42 – Welcome to Dianna from Free Rain International
1:15 – What is Free Rain International? (Anti-Trafficking Ministry)
2:45 – The Unimaginable Devastation of Human Trafficking
3:36 – A Hair Salon in the Slum
7:37 – How Free Rain Connects Victims with Help and Hope
8:10 – Outreach Inside a Brothel
11:53 – Facing Conflict with Brothel Owners
17:40 – The Invisible Chains of Modern Slavery
18:54 – The Story of “Rain” – Free Rain’s First Rescue
24:30 – Trafficking of Boys and Men
26:24 – When a Victim Joins Free Rain International
28:30 – Health and Hygiene Education for Survivors
30:28 – Daily Routine, Counselling, and Care
31:47 – How Free Rain Partners with the Gospel
35:40 – A 19-Year-Old Sold and Abused by Fishermen
39:39 – The Origin of the Phrase “Me Love You Long Time”
40:46 – From Brothel Work to New Life in Jesus

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Hey Outsiders, this week’s episode is a little different. Laura and I are taking time to reflect on the shocking m*rder of Charlie Kirk and the way it’s impacted Christians here in New Zealand and around the world. We’re also joined by the hosts of The Conservative Pentecostal, Phil Me In, and Whispers of Grace podcasts, who share their own thoughts and encouragement.

Something has shifted. For many of us, Charlie’s death has raised big questions about fear, courage, and what it really means to stand firm in our faith as the opposing culture grows louder. Together, we talk honestly about grief, forgiveness, responsibility, and the hope we have in Christ.

My prayer is that this conversation reminds you that we’re not alone in this - we are outsiders, yes, but we’re outsiders together. The stakes for being a public Christian, for holding a different opinion, for being an outsider in this world, have been raised. But more than ever, we must love those who hate us, so that the kindness of God might lead them to repentance, that they might know the love of God and Jesus Christ whom He sent.

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0:00 – Coming up: Reflections on Charlie Kirk’s death
0:59 – Welcome and Christa's thoughts
8:12 – Laura's response
9:40 – Looking at Charlie’s controversial comments in full context
11:30 – Practicing discernment on the internet
12:11 – How Christa and Laura first learned of Charlie being shot
14:03 – God already using Charlie’s death for His glory
15:00 – Reaction from Janneke (The Conservative Pentecostal Podcast)
16:53 – Why Charlie’s m*rder has had such a strong impact
20:45 – Showing Christ when attacked for faith and values
22:50 – Learning to expect hatred as Christians
24:06 – The impact of Charlie’s courageous faith
25:13 – Janneke’s encouragement for the Christian community
26:54 – Building each other up as believers while we can
28:15 – Death is not the end for the Christian
30:06 – Why Charlie’s death feels so impactful for believers
34:12 – Reaction from Philip Brown (Phil Me In Podcast)
36:15 – Why New Zealand has reacted so strongly - positively and negatively
40:08 – Processing life, death, and cognitive dissonance
40:30 – Worldview of the oppressed vs. oppressor
41:44 – The negative reaction in New Zealand
43:40 – Reflecting on death and eternity
45:35 – A challenge to New Zealand Christians
48:37 – Phil’s call for NZ pastors to repent
51:20 – Raising standards of biblical understanding
53:44 – Stewarding an online platform well
55:25 – Identity rhetoric as part of the problem
57:09 – Why the NZ church avoids controversial issues
58:37 – Having faith conversations with gentleness and respect
59:43 – Recommended resource: Stand to Reason
1:01:48 – Julie (Whispers of Grace Podcast) shares as an American in NZ
1:03:53 – Why Charlie’s death is being felt around the world
1:08:15 – Why Christians should mourn Charlie’s death
1:10:06 – Hope and encouragement in persecution
1:13:00 – Lessons from Jonah to guide our response
1:15:03 – Grieving a brother and forgiving his killer
1:20:40 – An outpouring of love and forgiveness
1:24:03 – Psalm 61 shared
1:24:57 – Remembering we were once lost
1:27:16 – Call to pray for the lost
1:29:35 – The safest place to be is in the will of God
1:28:53 – Final thoughts from Christa

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In this episode, I sit down with my cousin Allen - our very first male guest on Outside of Sunday! We dive deep into a topic that’s fascinating and a little mind-bending: angels, demons, and everything in between.

We unpack misconceptions, explore cherubim, seraphim, the Nephilim, and even touch on the book of Enoch and UFOs - all while keeping a focus on what the Bible actually says, and making it clear what it doesn’t.

These are interesting topics, sometimes challenging, but an incredibly thought-provoking conversation that will leave you seeing the unseen in a whole new way.

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0:00 - Coming up
0:30 - Intro
0:40 - Welcome & Introducing Allen
1:48 - About Allen: Testimony and Service in Church
7:09 - Allen’s Fascination with the Supernatural
8:31 - What is Demonology?
8:48 - Misconceptions of What an Angel Is: Biblical Definition of Angel
11:35 - What is a Cherub? Living Creatures
16:32 - What Are Seraphim?
20:24 - Insights from the Septuagint Version of the Bible
22:53 - Angels Don’t Have Wings
25:20 - Do Angels Look Like a Man?
25:53 - The Named Angels
27:14 - The Only Arch-Angel in the Bible
30:17 - Guardian Angels
31:36 - UFOs and the Open Door to Christianity
32:46 - Interspace or Interdimension?
35:59 - What Are Demons? Where Did They Come From?
36:27 - The Book of Enoch: Not Scripture but an Insight
37:24 - The Book of Daniel Lays Out ‘The Silent Year’ of the Bible
39:00 - Is the Book of Enoch Quoted in the New Testament?
42:24 - Biblical Account of Demons
42:41 - Jewish Scholarly Understanding of Demons
43:40 - Did Demons Come from the Nephilim?
48:52 - What Are the Spirits Bound in Chains?
49:56 - Fallen Angels
50:30 - When Did Satan Fall and Take 1/3 of the Angels with Him?
55:29 - Allen’s Thoughts on K-Pop Demon Hunters
1:07:19 - Resource Recommendations for Bible Study
1:10:59 - How Does Allen Live His Faith Outside of Sunday?

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In this special collab with 'Her Theology', Christa sits down with Cass to talk about why the church needs both real testimonies and solid theology. One without the other just doesn’t work - we need stories that remind us of God’s goodness, and truth from Scripture to keep us grounded.

But this is OOS, so of course the conversation doesn’t end there! Cass and Christa go down all kinds of trails: from viral reels and hidden sin, to porn and love addiction, even new age beliefs and aliens 👀. Together they explore how testimonies are a witness for Christ and encourage us to endure in our faith, and how theology helps us discern, grow, and stay close to Jesus.

If you’ve ever wondered whether your story matters, or whether theology is really that important, this episode is for you. It’s honest, a little raw, but full of hope - and we pray it points you to Christ.

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0:00 - Coming up
0:30 - Welcome from Cass and Christa
2:40 - About Outside of Sunday and the importance and power of testimony
7:29 – Viral response to Jenna’s reel: Pastor’s wife’s affair
11:06 – Why Christa decided to post the reel
12:20 – Caring for Jenna as the reel went viral
13:43 – Honest testimonies about adultery and sin
15:22 – How testimonies grow us in grace
17:20 – Why sin grows in the dark
18:18 – Porn addiction and the church’s response
19:51 – Adultery of the heart explained
21:00 – Hiding in shame and toxic Christianity
23:23 – Guarding your heart by guarding your mind
26:08 – Understanding love addiction
27:40 – Marketing and covetousness
31:08 – Why we can’t force change in others
34:10 – Christa shares her biggest challenge
37:09 – New Age, aliens, and how Christians have answers
42:05 – Can God be fully known?
44:23 – Letting the Lord correct us
48:38 – God’s patience with Moses and with us
51:50 – Reading the Bible without condemnation
59:02 – How theology protects us from spiritual abuse
1:05:17 – Why sharing testimonies matters

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In this Insights episode, we're diving into something that’s been on everyone’s radar - the animated movie K-Pop Demon Hunters. After Lydia’s testimony last week (where she shared so much about her encounters with demons), it felt right to pull these two together - taking the opportunity to learn from her experience and compare what we see in the movie with the word of God.

I’ll share a bit of my own story too (including nightmares and sleep paralysis), unpack what this movie is really saying about demons, and look at how we can answer the big questions kids might ask: Can demons love? Do they have powers? Could a Christian be possessed?

And if your kids have already seen it - don’t panic. I’ll talk through how this can actually be an opportunity to have a really good faith conversation at home. My hope is that this episode gives you both confidence and clarity to talk with your kids about K-Pop Demon Hunters - and to see how God’s truth helps us answer even the biggest questions about demons and the spiritual realm.

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0:00 – Coming Up
0:40 – Welcome + Exciting Outsider Retreat Announcement
2:51 – Recap: Lydia’s Powerful Testimony
4:16 – What Listeners Are Saying
7:08 – First Reflections on Lydia’s Story
11:31 – Breaking Down the Plot of K-Pop Demon Hunters
12:51 – Have My Kids Seen It? + My Sleep Paralysis Experience
16:02 – If Your Kids Already Watched It
17:19 – Five Messages About Demons in K-Pop Demon Hunters
18:44 – Ugly vs. Beautiful Demons: What the Bible Shows Us
21:20 – Do Demons Really Have “Cool Powers”?
22:39 – Understanding Familiar Spirits
24:10 – Were Demons Once Human?
25:07 – Are Some Demons Slaves Against Their Will?
25:44 – Can Demons Feel or Even Love?
27:44 – Spotting “Positive” Messages in K-Pop Demon Hunters
31:47 – Can Christians Actually Be Possessed?
34:52 – How to Start a Conversation with Your Kids About K-Pop Demon Hunters

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In part two of our chat with Lydia, she shares her incredible journey of transformation in Christ. Building on her battles with addiction, witchcraft, and demonic oppression, Lydia opens up about once believing she could be an LGBT Christian - until she was confronted with the Word of God and realised she had to walk away. She testifies to God’s miraculous healing of her endometriosis, His call to holiness, and the boldness He’s given her to live unashamed for Jesus. This conversation points us to the sanctifying power of God at work, and still working, in a surrendered life.

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0:00 – Previously in Part 1
0:37 – Journey Toward Sobriety: Finding Freedom From Addiction
1:56 – Withdrawals and Facing Serotonin Syndrome
3:15 – Giving Up Weed and Growing Confident in God
13:11 – Dabbling in Witchcraft Before Coming to Christ
16:00 – Lydia’s Experience With Demonic Possession and Oppression
19:42 – Does Lydia Still See Demons After Deliverance?
21:32 – Lydia’s Miraculous Healing of Endometriosis
27:58 – Boldness for the Lord: Living Unashamed as a Christian
32:12 – Leaving a Lesbian Lifestyle: Lydia’s Turning Point
41:20 – Why Calling Herself a ‘Gay Christian’ Couldn’t Last
47:28 – We Don’t Need to Fix Ourselves Before Coming to God
49:13 – Lydia’s Message of Hope to Listeners
53:08 – Living Faith Outside of Sunday

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In this episode of Outside of Sunday, I sit down with Lydia to hear her powerful testimony of how God rescued her out of deep brokenness. Before she even finished high school, Lydia was battling s*lf-harm, addiction, and drug-induced psychosis that left her tormented by darkness and overwhelmed by despair.

She shares about terrifying encounters with demons and the moment she felt ready to end her life. But in her lowest point, after an overdose, Lydia cried out to Jesus - and everything changed.

Lydia also opens up about her struggle to reconcile her LGBT lifestyle with her faith, the prayer that enabled her to walk away, and how complete surrender to Christ brought freedom and new life.

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0:00 – Coming up
0:40 – Welcome and introducing Lydia
1:32 – Life before finding Jesus
3:03 – Family background
5:04 – Catholic roots
5:37 – Miraculous survival after premature birth
7:00 – Pre-teen years and self-harm
11:12 – Entering the Mental Health system at 16
14:02 – Self-medicating with drugs
16:47 – Drug-induced psychosis
18:11 – Seeing demons everywhere
19:27 – Hopelessness and preparing to end her life
24:30 – Overdose and crying out to Jesus
27:20 – Wrestling with LGBT lifestyle and faith
31:31 – Praying for strength to leave her partner
32:00 – Complete surrender to Jesus
39:21 – Coming up next week

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In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Laura and I have  a rich conversation about what it really means to handle disagreements in the body of Christ. We talk about everything from repentance within our families to keeping short accounts with the Lord, and how grace, gentleness, and love should guide the way we speak.

We also get into friendships across different denominations, rejecting tribalism, and why fragile theology can so often leads to offence. With personal stories, biblical examples, and some listener comments, this one will make you think about how we can both speak the truth in love - and hear it in love.

In this episode we mention Ashley Stevensons episode - click here to listen now. 

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0:00 – Coming up in this Insights episode
0:45 – Welcome & recap of Part 1 and Part 2 with Janneke
1:51 – Listener comments 
3:09 – Repentance to family members when we’ve sinned
4:49 – Keeping short accounts with the Lord through daily confession
6:11 – Being ready to give an answer to our children about faith
7:30 – My trepidation heading into the interview with Janneke
9:30 – How Christians can approach disagreements with grace and gentleness
11:13 – Friendship with people from different denominations or theology
12:28 – How many Christian denominations are there?
12:47 – Why we must reject tribalism in the church
14:45 – Fragile theology leads to offence
15:24 – Laura’s experience of having a conversation rather than a confrontation
17:16 – No one becomes a Christian with perfect theology: just understand the gospel
18:45 – We agree on 90–95% of theology with most Christians
20:52 – Not just speaking the truth in love, but hearing the truth in love
23:54 – Paul and Peter: A biblical example of speaking and hearing truth in love
27:37 – The fundamental Christian doctrines we must agree on
32:10 – A challenge from Laura and Christa to live out grace in disagreement

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Could you forgive someone who left you in pain for the rest of your life?

In part two of Janneke’s story, she shares how a botched surgery left her in constant pain - and the incredible journey that led her to forgive the surgeon responsible. She opens up about the court proceedings, reconciling her condition with the Lord, and finding peace even when the miracle she prayed for didn’t come. In the midst of pain in every step, Janneke shows what it means to grow in grace and live faithfully for Him.

We reflect on the hymn It Is Well With My Soul, and Janneke offers encouragement to anyone still waiting for a breakthrough, and shares why she launched The Conservative Pentecostal podcast. From handling online trolls to challenging the Church with difficult conversations, Janneke calls us to extend grace to one another - even when we disagree theologically - and to stay rooted in the Word. 

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0:00 - Previously
0:41 - Intro
0:51 - Janneke’s Botched Foot Surgery
4:36 - Court Proceedings After Surgery
5:12 - Choosing Forgiveness for the Surgeon
5:56 - Living in Permanent Pain with Every Step
6:19 - Reconciling Her Condition with the Lord
8:35 - Encouragement for Those Waiting on a Miracle
10:38 - Reflecting on It Is Well With My Soul
13:37 - Launching The Conservative Pentecostal Podcast
16:58 - Tackling Challenging & Controversial Christian Topics
17:58 - Learning to Grow in Grace
22:17 - Handling Online Trolls
24:48 - A Message for the Wider Christian Community
27:49 - How does Janneke live her faith outside of Sunday?

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In this episode of Outside of Sunday, we’re sitting down with Janneke - a fellow Christian podcaster whose faith took on new depth when pride was revealed in her heart and the unexpected journey of becoming a step-mum later in life. 

Raised in a strong Christian home, Janneke wrestled with pride in her so-called “faithfulness,” only to be gently humbled by God and refined through deep study of His Word.

She opens up about her season of singleness and the unique joys and challenges of entering a blended family - from building trust with her step-child to navigating life with her first baby added to the mix. Whether you're in a blended family, walking alongside someone who is, or even if this topic doesn’t seem directly relevant, Janneke’s honesty, wisdom, and God-honouring perspective will bless you just as it blessed me.

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0:00 – Coming Up
1:00 – Welcome & Introducing Janneke
3:36 – Growing Up in a Christian Home
4:33 – When Pride Hides in “Faithfulness”
5:34 – Deepening Her Faith Through the Word
6:33 – A Testimony of Generational Faith
8:31 – Singleness, Dating, and Marriage Later in Life
14:57 – Becoming a Step-Mum: Real Talk on Blended Families
18:53 – Building a Bond with a Step-Child
22:30 – Gaining Trust as a Step-Parent
25:41 – What God Has Shown Janneke Through Step-Parenting
28:37 – Welcoming Her First Baby
32:01 – Encouragement from the Birth-Father to Step-Parents

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