In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, Laura is back (yay!) and today we reflect on Part One of our chat with Therina Oliver.

We unpack some of the moments that have stayed with us - from the gratitude of building a new life in New Zealand, to the quiet ways God prepares our hearts before hard seasons arrive. We also explore the mind-bending reality of God’s omnipresence - that He is everywhere and every when at once - and what that means when life feels uncertain.

If Part One stirred something in you, I hope this episode gives you space to process, to pause, and to reflect on the greatness of our God - the One who goes before us and remains with us in every trial.

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0:00 – Coming up
1:30 – Recap on Part One (Therina Oliver)
2:20 – Laura is back!
5:26 – Grateful to live in New Zealand
7:08 – God letting us know when hard things are coming
9:19 – The mind-bending reality of God’s omnipresence
12:55 – Looking back and reflecting on God’s direction
15:17 – Reflections on David
18:05 – Trusting in God
20:00 – Giving God control
22:17 – The practice of submission
26:00 – Even Jesus submitted

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In this episode of Outside of Sunday, recorded at our very first Outsider Retreat, I’m joined by Therina as she shares her breast cancer journey. Just after finishing breastfeeding her youngest, she discovered a lump - and at 31 years old, was diagnosed with breast cancer. Therina opens up about processing that diagnosis with the Lord, choosing to put God first in the middle of fear, and the way He surrounded her with believers every step of the way.

We talk about navigating treatment while raising young children, facing surgical menopause, and choosing how to see her circumstances when everything felt completely out of control. And just as they were beginning to breathe again, Therina’s youngest son was diagnosed with leukaemia… more on that in Part Two.

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00:50 – Welcome and introducing Therina
03:00 – Growing up in South Africa
04:25 – Choosing to follow Jesus
05:21 – Meeting her husband
05:45 – Deciding to move to New Zealand
07:30 – Security risks in South Africa
10:06 – Discovering a lump after finishing breastfeeding
16:11 – Processing the breast cancer diagnosis with the Lord
18:12 – Putting God first and how God placed believers around Therina (GP, operating room, etc.)
21:19 – Managing treatment, family life, work, and marriage
23:19 – Facing menopause at 31
24:46 – Choosing how to view her circumstances
26:26 – Youngest son diagnosed with leukaemia

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In this Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, I’m reflecting on Part Two of my conversation with Jess from Craft to Christ and sharing some of my own thoughts on what it actually looks like to “leave room for the Holy Spirit”. From listener comments, my thoughts on the release of the Epstein Files, to some deeper conversations around spiritual discernment, demons, submission, and prayer - this episode goes a little wider and a little deeper.

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0:00 – Coming up
0:41 – Welcome and recap on Jess’s episode
2:04 – Listener comments
4:36 – My thoughts on the Epstein Files
12:39 – Wes Huff & Allen Rudduck on the origins of demons
14:44 – My reflections on Part Two of our chat with Jess
15:21 – Insights on leaving room for the Holy Spirit
20:05 – The Holy Spirit and the Bible never disagree
20:51 – What does leaving room for the Holy Spirit look like in real life?
27:16 – We need to apply the Bible to our own lives
27:21 – Submission should not be forced
30:06 – Oversensitivity to the demonic
30:51 – Maturity in Jess’ prayer life

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In Part Two of our chat with Jessica Murphy from Craft to Christ, we focus on the Christian backlash she faced after leaving witchcraft and choosing to follow Jesus.

Jess opens up about the judgement and suspicion she experienced from other believers, and how painful it can be when the very community meant to offer love and support becomes a source of hurt. We talk about how this impacts new converts, and what it really looks like to walk in love with those who are new to faith.

This episode is a gentle but honest invitation for the Church to reflect on how we respond to radical testimonies - and to leave room for discipleship and the work of the Holy Spirit.

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0:00 – Previously
0:35 – How have Jess's children reacted to her conversion to Christianity
4:06 – The power of Jesus over the devil
5:05 – People scaremongering Christians
7:20 – The Christian reaction and backlash to Jess’s conversion
13:48 – Christianity in the UK
16:08 – How can Christians better love new converts?
21:50 – Something Jess is thankful to the Christian community for
24:58 – Advice to parents to keep kids safe from the occult
33:50 – How does Jess live her faith outside of Sunday?

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In today's Insights episode of Outside of Sunday, I'm reflecting on Part One of our chat with Jessica Murphy from Craft to Christ and respond to some of the listener reactions and themes that came up. I talk about the reality of witchcraft and familiar spirits, how New Age practices can lead us into spiritual bondage, and why we don’t need to live in fear. This episode is really about not compromising, staying grounded in truth, loving people well, and being thankful for the quiet, faithful ways God is at work in our lives.

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0:39 – Welcome
1:00 – Part 1 recap
1:35 – Listener comments
2:17 – Witchcraft is real
4:25 – Don’t put yourself into bondage
6:15 – The Bible confirms that witchcraft is real
8:00 – Don’t fear witchcraft
8:56 – Advice on how to confront a friend who is dabbling in New Age practices
11:49 – The insult of familiar spirits
13:00 – Be so thankful for your boring testimony
13:43 – Christa’s main reflection: love
14:46 – We need to stop saying that everyone is a child of God
15:18 – Love your brothers and sisters in Christ
16:54 – I used to think I was one of the 99, not the 1 that was lost

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In this two-part episode of Outside of Sunday, I sit down with Jessica Murray from Craft to Christ, who shares her powerful testimony of encountering Jesus and leaving witchcraft (including her successful witchcraft business).

Jess opens up about her journey from growing up around limited Christianity to becoming deeply involved in modern witchcraft. We talk about spirit guides, familiar spirits, initiation, and the spiritual deception she was caught in, as well as the opposition she faced along the way.

She also shares how a real encounter with Jesus completely transformed her life. Jessica started sharing about Jesus on her platforms, lost thousands of followers - and then watched God use her testimony to lead over 1,000 people to Jesus.

Next week, we’ll hear how her children have reacted to the change in their Mum, learn more about the Christian response to her booming social media page Craft to Christ, and hear how Jess is living her faith outside of Sunday.

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0:48 – Welcome and introducing Jess
2:28 – Making money from witchcraft
3:19 – A mimic spirit
6:35 – Jess’s background in Christianity
7:28 – Childhood imaginary friend: Jesus?
9:24 – Progression into witchcraft
11:24 – New generation of online witchcraft
12:36 – Are psychics there to ‘help’ or make money?
13:48 – Difference between a witch and playing with the occult
16:21 – Initiation into being a witch
17:04 – What is a spirit guide?
18:36 – What is a familiar spirit?
21:49 – Heading to the low point
22:56 – Demonic gang stalking
25:48 – “Christian” attacks
26:34 – Satan’s goal
27:29 – Jess’s encounters with Jesus
32:59 – How did Jess’s community respond to her conversion to Christianity
37:58 – Shutting down her witchcraft social media page, losing 4,000 followers
39:58 – Leading 1,000 followers to Christ
40:30 – The change that God has brought to Jess’s life
43:21 – Coming up in Part 2

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In this episode of Outside of Sunday, Christa and Laura unpack further exposures within the charismatic Christian world. Drawing on their own background in faith healing spaces, they reflect honestly on figures like Todd White, discuss why these patterns have persisted for so long, and explore how gifting, charisma, and powerful testimonies can sometimes be elevated above faithfulness, character, and quiet obedience to Christ.

This conversation isn’t about “charismatic vs conservative”, but about a higher calling for Christian leaders - and for all of us - to fix our eyes on Jesus, practice righteousness without performance, and grow spiritually outside of Sunday.

With listener comments, links to previous episodes, and practical reflections on how we move forward, this episode is an invitation to become more discerning, more grounded, and more anchored in truth, with hope for the future of the Church.

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0:00 – Intro
0:40 – Welcome
1:23 – Listener comments
10:24 – Our background in faith healing
16:25 – Todd White’s exposure
21:20 – Laura’s initial reaction
26:33 – It’s not charismatic vs conservative
28:12 – A higher calling for leaders
32:10 – How has this persisted in the body of Christ for years?
32:19 – Looking more at our lack than at Jesus
35:20 – Lack of discernment
39:12 – Valuing gifting and charisma over faithfulness
44:53 – Practicing righteousness before others
47:22 – How do we move forward?
47:20 – Growing spiritually outside of Sunday
49:20 – Prosperity preachers
50:57 – How we’re handling finances
55:26 – Being faithful with the little things
57:05 – Giving credit to Bethel
59:00 – Be a Nathan
1:01:50 – Is this an answer to our prayers?
1:02:49 – Final thoughts from Laura & Christa

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In this ‘welcome back’ episode of Outside of Sunday, Laura and I reflect on the summer season - from mum life and recent episodes, to processing heavy news closer to home and within the wider Church. We share our thoughts on the Mount Maunganui tragedy, and then gently but honestly unpack the recent revelations surrounding internationally renowned ‘prophet’ Shawn Bolz.

From toxic honour culture and church discipline, to the fear of God, this episode is a call for sobriety, humility, and deeper discernment in the body of Christ.

We end with a heartfelt call to pastors, and prayer - asking God to purify His Church.

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0:00 – Coming up
0:33 – Intro & welcome back
1:48 – Summer reflections & mum life
3:57 – Reflecting on the Mount Maunganui tragedy
5:12 – Looking back on the summer episodes
9:02 – Thoughts on the Shawn Bolz revelations
12:30 – What happened
14:20 – Mike Winger
16:26 – Jubilee Dawn
18:42 – Thank you, Mike Winger
20:40 – Shawn’s sexual abuse / harassment
22:45 – How much did Shawn’s abuse and deception grieve God?
24:36 – Implications for the Pentecostal Church
27:57 – Discernment
28:11 – Bible verse: Test the spirits
30:00 – My experience at a conference
33:50 – A call to pastors
34:21 – Should we still listen to Bethel Music?
38:17 – Toxic honour culture
40:52 – Paul calling out Peter
43:35 – The goodness of God
45:09 – Hidden bad fruit & the fear of God
46:40 – Church discipline
51:45 – Bethel’s response
55:30 – What is my degree of culpability?
1:00:14 – Prayer

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In this Q&A episode of Outside of Sunday, Julie Colbeth and Destiny Calhoon answer honest questions from our Outsider Retreat attendees. From faith and forgiveness, seasonal depression and church community, to homeschooling and the realities of being a pastor’s wife, this episode dives into the complexities of following God in real life.

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0:00 – Intro
0:45 – How do you balance the tension between forgiveness and boundaries?
3:17 – Was there a time in your life where you struggled with your relationship with God?
5:02 – How long were you using steroid cream before you had steroid withdrawal?
6:47 – Are there dangers in not regularly fellowshipping with other believers?
8:55 – Was homeschooling your children good for your relationship with them, or did it make things harder?
11:55 – Does God allow situations that drain your joy and peace, or is this an issue with your relationship with Him?
23:55 – How can I genuinely walk in forgiveness without feeling it at all?
26:54 – Is there truly an issue with loving a brother or sister in Christ from afar when you know they can rub you the wrong way?
28:36 – In seasonal depression, even if God gives His peace to get you through the day to day, how would you explain why feelings of depressive states come back?
32:50 – What is the fun thing about being a pastor’s wife?

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This episode of Outside of Sunday features a recording from the Outsider Retreat in 2025 with Destiny Calhoon - a woman whose story is marked by deep suffering, unwavering faith, and radical trust in God.

From a near-death car accident and frightening pregnancy complications, to a breast cancer diagnosis while pregnant and the excruciating pain of topical steroid withdrawal, Destiny shares how her life has been shaken - and how God met her in the middle of it all. With honesty and humility, she opens up about wrestling with questions, facing false teaching, and learning what it truly means to glorify God, not just in the good times, but in the hardest ones.

This is a conversation about trials, surrender, and choosing to trust God above all. Destiny’s testimony will gently but powerfully invite you to ask: Will you trust Him - no matter what?

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0:00 – Coming up
0:49 – Introducing Destiny
2:55 – Message introduction
6:19 – Destiny’s love for the Lord & connection with Soli Deo Gloria
7:40 – Trusting and glorifying God with your life
13:00 – False teachings penetrating the church
15:50 – Will you trust God?
19:25 – Destiny’s near-death car accident
21:20 – Newly married, birth scares, and miracles
25:20 – Ask God why, or trust Him?
27:00 – Breast cancer diagnosis while pregnant
28:40 – Digging into God’s Word to understand suffering
29:35 – Finding the lump
32:07 – Wisdom from Isaiah
34:00 – Reconciling her healing when others didn’t receive healing
35:00 – Excruciating trial of topical steroid withdrawal and severe nerve pain
37:19 – God’s Word to Destiny through Scripture
38:26 – Will you trust Him in the good times and the hard times?

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