Owning HER Health podcast

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I have been diving into The Reality of the US Healthcare Illusions for decades but this August I am reflecting on where the human side of health systems is at risk of getting very lost inside the AI adoption processes going on. What I have found is that the more I dive into how Big Tech is thinking about the needs of humans, the more I am realizing these people making major decisions just seriously do not understand humans outside of the left hemisphere of our brains.

This can be a sobering exercise and I am not really sure I have the emotional capacity to complete the intended 90 days if dismantling syntax I wanted to introduce into the ethos here and on my this show's Substack.

Why?

Because Coming from a background in human performance, sports therapy, and physical therapy, I actually am both intrigued and in love with the max potential of humans. In my studies and my life, I was granted access to every educational and professional opportunity. Like many Gen X women, I entered the workforce assuming parity with my male peers.

However, entering motherhood revealed the profound structural biases built into American healthcare and corporate life. Three months of saved leave—even while navigating postpartum depression—was structurally inadequate. That personal turning point exposed the stark gaps in women's health and shifted my trajectory permanently.

Pain, Trauma, and the Gaps in Big Health In the late 1990s, while treating chronic pain patients alongside pioneers like Dr. John Sarno, the intersections of my personal life and career converged. I recognized that traditional allopathic models were fundamentally failing women.

My mother's experience with ovarian cancer—and her ultimate passing due to systemic care mismanagement and clinical detachment—highlighted how gender bias, cultural marginalization, and institutional stress dictate health outcomes. Legacy hospital systems, trapped in 7-to-14-minute transactional appointments, routinely mistake metric management for human care.

The Upstream Escape: Cash Practice and Community Health To fill these systemic gaps, I was forced to move upstream, stepping away from the New York metropolitan corporate mindset to build cash-based boutique models, peer mentorship networks, and integrative wellness practices.

Many high-performing clinicians leave legacy institutions during their professional prime not to retreat, but to build sustainable environments where care is guided by the social determinants of health rather than industrial quotas. Traditional healthcare models failed my family, and without proactive alternatives, they will continue to fail future generations.

AI, Big Tech, and the Misunderstanding of Machine Learning Today, as AI transforms healthcare, the dominant narratives are controlled by Big Health and Big Tech, both framing artificial intelligence strictly around margin expansion and operational speed.

Clinicians must understand the underlying principles: Machine Learning (ML) in technology maps directly to motor learning in human neurology. AI encompasses voice recognition, large language models, and predictive algorithms, yet decision-makers in Big Tech continue to apply linear logic to non-linear biological and social organisms. Delegating complex human friction to automated infrastructure will not fix systems that were broken by design.

Allopathic Hegemony and the Power of Community Care Understanding modern health dysfunction requires examining its history, as detailed in The Social Transformation of American Medicine. Allopathic medicine historically fragmented the human body into isolated specialties, suppressing community-based care models that drive true public health.

As the institutional medical complex faces systemic strain—evidenced by clinician burnout, insurance friction, and mass coverage drops—the response cannot be adopting white-labeled tech stacks or fleeing into luxury concierge medicine.

The Path Forward for Independent Clinicians The future of sustainable care does not belong to corporate healthcare conglomerates or social media algorithms. It belongs to independent clinicians, allied health professionals, and small community health practices.

I end this episode talking about how we can change the narratives around AI and preserve human systems that promote our health. By taking control of how AI is integrated at the grassroots level, practitioners can protect human-to-human relational intelligence, build resilient practice models, and maintain true ethical stewardship over patient care. xoxo- Dr Lissette Alvarez-Holland

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The Adoption Gap: Why Tech Misunderstands Human Friction People in tech often fail to understand adoption friction—why some people hesitate around AI while others embrace it. Having spent my career as a physical therapist, athletic trainer, and personal trainer, my clinical perspective is rooted entirely in human development and human systems. I've spent my life studying the intelligence of the human condition, but I realized early on that many people pay little attention to their physical bodies until they experience pain.

Pain, Adaptation, and the Limits of Medicalization: Witnessing my father's chronic pain showed me how easily someone can become trapped in an identity of suffering—living through a diagnosis rather than organic reality. In healthcare, if you seek out enough doctors, someone will always find a structural flaw to treat. Statistically, about 30% of asymptomatic individuals walking around today have disc herniations on an MRI without any pain complaints. As long as we adapt and move, our natural intelligence works around structural variations. Movement is how we physically adapt.

Optimization vs. Replacement: Entering the AI Landscape My background in movement and rehabilitation was always about bridging broken states to optimized states. When AI entered the cultural conversation, my interest was not about monetization, but about how "intelligence" was being defined. Tech initially pitched AI as a healthcare revolution before abruptly pivoting to marketing and large language models. Drawing on my background in human systems and integrated mathematics, I saw the parallel immediately: computing relies on binary logic, whereas human intelligence integrates non-verbal symbols, physical vectors, and somatosensory feedback.

Kinetic Learning and the Language of Movement: Human learning is deeply physical. As a dancer, I learned not by analyzing verbal instructions, but by embodying rhythm and tone. Premier dancers are kinetic, physical learners. The human body possesses an innate capacity to convert complex rhythmic and physical inputs into movement without needing analytical breakdown.

Tech Leaders and the Stunting of Physical Intelligence: The current enthusiasm for AI among engineers often stems from a lack of physical embodiment. Many modern tech leaders grew up trapped in cognitive, left-brain analysis, resulting in stunted physical intelligence. Instead of building compute to match the vast complexity of organic human design, tech developers reduce human function down to narrow computational fractions.

When observing figures like Bill Gates, Elon Musk, or Sam Altman, their high cognitive intelligence exists alongside a clear disconnect from physical embodiment and interoception. Their products reflect this limitation, pushing ideologies that treat human friction as a flaw to be engineered away rather than an essential variable for growth.

The High Cost of Bypassing the Body: When we fail to invest in organic human intelligence, we default to digital externalization, handing over critical thinking to machine learning analytics. We see extreme examples among tech elites who attempt to bypass aging with biometric gadgets and drastic interventions while remaining disconnected from their basic biological ecology.

Historically, 80% of human communication is non-verbal, and our foundational health operates within that non-verbal, somatic baseline. By forcing human existence to conform strictly to linear, left-brain productivity metrics, we stop moving, we stop playing, and we perform thin layers of cognitive intelligence that aren't even ours.

Reclaiming Organic Systems: The Cell as an LLM Every cell in your body contains a biological "large language model," with your organ systems operating as integrated processing networks. We have yet to fully understand or integrate our right-brain intelligence, let alone our full somatic design. Automating or replacing these organic networks with artificial interfaces—like connecting brain tissue directly to synthetic compute—overlooks the systemic reality of the whole organism.

Community Health and Small Health Practices: As legacy healthcare systems collapse under top-down corporate weight, the solution is not waiting for institutional failure. The path forward lies in small health practices, private clinicians, social workers, and community health networks. By reclaiming physical movement, natural intelligence, and human systems integration, we ground well-being back where it belongs: in the human body and the local community.

• Human Systems & AI Ethics: Human Systems Integration, Human Architecture, AI Ethics, AI Adoption Friction, Natural Intelligence vs Artificial Intelligence, Relational Intelligence, Human Friction, Somatosensory Intelligence, Kinetic Learning

• Clinical & Movement Science: Physical Therapy, Doctor of Physical Therapy, Athletic Training, Human Movement Science, Interoception, Chronic Pain Adaptation, Biopsychosocial Model

• Healthcare Reform & Practice: Community Health, Small Health, Private Practice Infrastructure, Social Determinants of Health, Legacy Healthcare Collapse, Allied Health Leadership, Human-Centered Healthcare

Welcome back to Episode 105.

This is a short 10 min episode where I am throwing out some ideas and asking for some feedback. Feel free to comment on my Linked in or Substack.

I've really been considering putting out a daily show—whether live or pre-recorded—about how we navigate this new era. Make no mistake, this is an era defined by the mass adoption of AI and health tech.

My thoughts on this began over the weekend when much to my heartbreak, I saw two gambling invitations on my feeds and then was reminded what is going on with the mass exodus of nursing. I can't be the only one to see a lot of gamification starting up as a good way to "engage" people. This is completely under the radar of public health's challenges with mental addictions. The concern I have is that most addictions start with tiny, tiny dopamine hits, and gamification of online group challenges do that. The resistence is being hit young and in sneaky fun ways that do not need you to have a big mindful snort of a drug while sitting inside a casino. This is now the US losing the plot between entertainment and normalizing full out mental illnesses and sociopathies. It got me thinking of my children and the evolving alliance between corporate health and tech. I really hate the money side will actually ignore why we have open nursing slots at all, as we enter the nurse shift bidding wars.

As I sit here examining the shifting definitions of health—specifically here in the US—I keep coming back to one truth: our digital footprint is all we have left. It is our modern hieroglyphics. I'm thinking deeply about how we can proactively influence the data being scraped, harvested, and gathered right now.

Recently, I've been helping professionals navigate brand protection and IP. But protecting your IP isn't enough anymore. We need boots on the ground—soldiers, if you will—getting out here and just being openly, unapologetically human. People are rapidly losing the ability to tell what's real and what's synthetic.

This isn't about starting a war with technology; it's about introducing a variable that the system did not anticipate coming: genuine human presence.

When I look at where healthcare is heading, it's clear there is a systemic, societal illness at play. We are watching human systems break down. Yesterday on LinkedIn, I posted about a disturbing trend where new platforms have nurses literally bidding against each other for shifts—bragging that they are the "Uber of nursing."

Is this really what we want? We are introducing gamification and bidding dynamics into healthcare in a society that already struggles massively with addiction. It's gambling, plain and simple.

If you don't know my background, human systems have always been my passion. Years ago, I opened one of the first cash-based boutique physical therapy practices in the nation, housed inside an integrative yoga therapy center. I didn't do it to be "first." I did it because no traditional clinic—where I worked as a physical therapist and certified athletic trainer—understood what I was trying to say about active women, stress, and the mind-body connection.

Early on in New York City, I was treating patients sent directly from Dr. John Sarno, author of Healing Back Pain, who pioneered the mind-body approach to chronic pain. I was working with Broadway dancers in Manhattan, learning from elite facilities like Kessler (where Christopher Reeve rehabilitated), and serving as a lead student athletic trainer back at Hofstra University in 1994.

From young dancers to collegiate athletes, the lesson was always the same: performance, recovery, and longevity require keeping the athlete's mind in the game.

Eventually, I saw the stark split—the total bifurcation—between traditional medicine and true health.

Because I saw where the industry was going, and because I was a woman who wanted to raise my kids in my 20s and maintain true autonomy over my career, I built a portfolio career. Traditional medicine in this country wasn't built to support that level of independence or holistic thinking.

Looking at where we are today, I'm not trying to "save" corporate medicine. Medicine in the U.S. is severely broken, and its core incentives were misaligned from the start. But community health? Community health has a massive opportunity right now.

Trust in institutional medicine has completely collapsed—compounded by political division, pandemic burnout, and the atrocious way hospital systems treated their own frontline workers. Now, corporate health tech is testing the waters with gamified nursing shift bids. Make no mistake: if they can do it to nursing, they will bring it to physical therapy, rehab, and outpatient clinics next.

We're already seeing venture-backed platforms like Hinge Health and Sword Health enter the space, rolling out automated pelvic floor programs, direct-to-consumer blood panels, and at-home hormone kits.

Here is the bottom line: allopathic physicians don't have the time or integrative skill set to guide patients through this personalized, fragmented landscape.

Who is going to guide them? Allied health professionals.

To fix this massive trust deficit, it will take credentialed experts who are willing to show up consistently, speak directly, and restore real human relationships. I've always believed in practicing what you preach—and right now, staying human is the most radical thing we can do.

• The AI Imperative: Why creating authentic digital footprints is vital as AI scrapes online health data.

• The Gamification of Healthcare: The dangerous rise of "Uber-style" bidding apps for nursing and allied health.

• Medicine vs. Health: Why corporate medicine is failing while community and allied health are positioned to lead.

• The Mind-Body Precedent: How lessons from sports medicine and Dr. John Sarno apply to today's burnout culture.

Thank you for tuning in!

The more I study this AI conversation, the more I am so damn happy I have studied humans for over 30 years and spent 20 of those years bridgebuilding a tradtional Raja/ Jnana yogic wisdom into the human condition. I have been writing on everything from the Pope and cyborgs to AI bias in diagnostics, right back to my core values and human consciousness when thinking about AI ethics. As I listen to the many AI spaces being held, the more I realize I am in such a rare position. My curvy path getting from being a typical pre med reasoning student 30 years ago, to ending up a bit of an game changer on how care was delivered to then feeling that time inside the arena as a provider was complete has always been walked from the role of an avant- guard observer. That is likely why it feels like wanting to be on the side of the humans, the ones taking on the most risks of liabilities inside the AI healthcare conversations, feels like the yoga I have always been doing.

Instead of using a frame of spirituality, In this podcast/ Substack share, I rather speak in the paradigm of consciousness. This is because STEM conversations can relate to that now so as I take a topic from the public podcast to more depth over on my Substack, I see the language will be more consistent.

In today's podcast I stick to the body and what Owning HER health has become inside all these ongoing "Intelligence" conversations. In my show and the tangent Substack I am writing, I discuss how intelligence relates to wisdom and consciousness because women embody all three in a way we need to begin to reclaim.

As I suggest in this episode, none of the science right now is technically new. We did not discover much after antibiotics and a deeper genome understanding. What we did gather and discover was more information. We have the data. With AI we have more and more data and we have the computational speeds and advantage of large amounts of pattern recognition. We see the patterns and created the knowledge systems and made those knowledge systems into the sciences, engineering, technology development and medicine but those 4 realms of STEM are rooted in the humanities, and the arts which keep them anchored in truth and that will always be sustaining.

Listen in on how I am creating a link between our wombs, hearts and heads on this as well as how we can begin to become ecologically engaged and intuitively knowing enough to keep wondering. Women need a Lifeschool for after we are just completely done from being extracted from but not done with contributing. That is what Menopause was supposed to usher in. Discover what I call a tripart Biospiritual Ecology of Owning our health via the acceptance and resolution between the Head, Heart and Gut Intelligence. If you want to dive in deeper, Subscribe and support the Substack.

• The Refusal of Evolutionary Integration: Evolutionary dead-ends historically occurred when hominids prioritized dominance and self-deification over ecological partnership. Silicon Valley is repeating this trajectory by attempting to engineer a technology that bypasses our biological and spiritual ecology.

• The Pathology of Friction Removal: Technological evolution over the last two decades has been an ongoing effort to codify and institutionalize individual social discomfort. Major platforms were explicitly built to redefine human connection into controllable, digital interfaces to avoid the friction of real psychological maturity.

• The Linguistic Shift from Humans to Agents: The evolution of the digital landscape has deliberately shifted vocabulary from organic concepts like "friends" to artificial entities like "agents." This vocabulary tracks a corresponding removal of relational intelligence and authentic human presence.

• Fabricated Demand and Psych-Ops Economics: By merging technical logic with hyper-capitalism, tech monopolies abandoned the traditional parameters of supply and demand. Instead, they weaponized psychological operations and advertising playbooks to fabricate human deficits, scaling extraction under the banner of "innovation."

• The Myth of Exhausted Human Intelligence: The tech elite operates on the arrogant assumption that humanity has exhausted its understanding of its own internal technologies (intuition, somatic integration, ancient wisdom). This premise justifies the reckless rollout of uncontrolled artificial systems before our own psychological and governance models have matured.

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(00:00:00 – 00:00:25) — Opening and Reframe: AI Care and the Systems We Forgot to Design Dr. Lisa opens as founder of MindBody Enterprises and situates the episode's focus: AI care and what happens when AI is being layered onto systems that were never properly built in the first place. She names this as the central problem — not AI itself, but the broken infrastructure it is being inserted into.

(00:00:25 – 00:02:10) — Who She Is and Why She Pivoted: From Clinician to Systems Architect She reintroduces herself for new listeners: a clinician who moved into leadership development after seeing that the root problem wasn't individual patient outcomes — it was the systemic conditions preventing women in the care economy from doing their work sustainably. She closes the Belly Guru chapter and opens MindBody Enterprises specifically because she saw the design gap: not in what women were building, but in the fact that the larger system was never building for them.

(00:02:10 – 00:04:15) — Third Wave Feminism and the Design Gap This is one of the episode's most pointed passages. She speaks directly to Gen X women who fought their way into institutions — got the career, got the paycheck, got the seat at the table — and then discovered it wasn't working. Not because they failed, but because they were trying to operate within a system designed around a different body, a different cycle, a different set of values. The system wasn't designed for them. Third-wave feminism got women in the room. Nobody redesigned the room.

(00:04:15 – 00:06:30) — The Care Economy Was Always Being Designed — Just Not By the People in Charge She pushes back on the narrative that the care economy was forgotten or neglected by design. It wasn't forgotten — it was deliberately excluded. Women, community health workers, doulas, midwives, yoga therapists, peer providers: they have been designing and running systems of care for decades. The oligarchs of the 1920s — and their contemporary equivalents — were never building for those systems. They were building against them. She names the current political administration's nostalgia for the gilded age and the extractive economics of the 1800s as the most visible expression of this dynamic.

(00:06:30 – 00:08:00) — What "Scaling" Actually Means for Women in Care She redefines scale for her audience. Scaling is not building a multi-million dollar enterprise. Scaling is optimizing your household, your small clinic, your nonprofit, your community. Women have been doing this for generations — in grandmothering, in volunteer work, in the horizontal networks of care that hold communities together. The problem is not that they haven't been scaling. The problem is that the larger system refuses to assign that work economic value. And they are now trying to plug AI into that same undervalued infrastructure and call it innovation.

(00:08:00 – 00:10:30) — Bio-Spiritual Ecology, Ecological Economics, and the Curvy Hustle She names her frameworks explicitly: Bio-Spiritual Ecology, Ecological Economics, and the Curvy Hustle. These are not abstract concepts — they are the operational and philosophical architecture for building community health infrastructure that is regenerative rather than extractive. She traces the lineage from the Belly Guru's yoga for MS patients, to the Mind Over Body Pain work, to the Goddess Mastermind, to MindBody Enterprises — each iteration deepening her understanding of what it takes to build economic models that don't require women to choose between their values and their survival.

(00:10:30 – 00:13:00) — Where She Works Now: The Intersection of Human Design, Community Health, and Technology Integration She names her current positioning clearly: her work sits at the intersection of human design, community health infrastructure, and what it actually takes to integrate technology without degrading people in the process. She gives the Oracle layoff — 20,000–30,000 employees waking up to a termination email at 6 AM — as the starkest current example of what happens when institutions treat technology as a replacement for human systems rather than an enhancement of them. That is not efficiency. That is extraction wearing the costume of innovation.

(00:13:00 – 00:15:30) — The EMR Parallel: We Have Seen This Exact Playbook Before This section is clinically precise and historically grounded. She takes listeners back to 2011, sitting in a lunch meeting being trained on how to get five-star patient experience ratings using the Disney method — while drowning in paper charts, underfunded, and being told there was no budget for expanding maternal care access to the maternity floor. The EMR rollout was being sold as an efficiency tool while simultaneously adding documentation burden to clinicians who were already out of time. AI is being sold the same way today. The playbook is identical. The people implementing it still don't understand what was already broken underneath.

(00:15:30 – 00:18:00) — What AI Actually Creates for Women in Allied Health She pivots to possibility. AI will create new roles. It will not simply replace jobs — it will restructure them in ways that are particularly well-suited to systems thinkers, community-embedded practitioners, and maternal-minded providers. The person at the front desk who is extraordinary at human connection can stop doing intake paperwork and start doing what they are actually gifted at. The clinician who was forced to spend half their session on documentation can now return to the relational work that produces outcomes. This is not utopian. It is a structural redesign opportunity — but only if the human systems underneath are properly mapped and protected first.

(00:18:00 – 00:20:30) — The Maternal Authority Framework: Redefining What Leadership Looks Like She draws a clear distinction between paternal authority as it has been distorted (winner-takes-all, king-is-fine, domination) and maternal authority as a legitimate leadership model — one that centralizes care, protects the most vulnerable, and designs for collective flourishing rather than personal accumulation. She is explicit that this is not about femininity or gender identity — it is about a set of values and a design orientation. The only people who can reclaim what healthy paternal authority could be are the people already exercising maternal authority in their institutions and communities.

(00:20:30 – 00:23:00) — The Silo Problem and Why We Must Stop Working in Isolation She names the structural problem that keeps purpose-driven practitioners from building lasting community infrastructure: silos. Individual practitioners who have done their identity work, know their values, and are running regenerative models — but operating entirely alone. The moment they cannot build coalition, they hit a ceiling. The institutions that could support them (hospitals, healthcare systems, insurance companies) are not structurally designed to recognize or fund them. And the legal and financial capacity to challenge that exclusion is absent at the community level while the large players break rules until told to stop.

(00:23:00 – 00:26:00) — What Human Systems Integration Actually Looks Like in Practice This is the service offering, stated plainly. Most organizations approach AI as a tool implementation problem — where do we plug this in? What she offers is a Human Systems Integration assessment: what platforms are you already on, where are the deficits, where was the technology never meeting the human interface in the first place, and how do we optimize the existing structure before layering anything new on top of it. She distinguishes between rearranging a broken system and replacing it — and positions the role of the Human Systems Integrator as the practitioner who can tell the difference.

(00:26:00 – 00:28:30) — The Real Problem in Women's Health Practices: It Was Never the Tools She speaks directly to pelvic health and women's health practitioners. The problem in most of these practices is not that they need a better AI scheduling system or a smarter billing automation. The problem is workflows that already depended on overextension — too many patients, too few visits covered by insurance, too little time for the relational and diagnostic depth the work requires. Plugging AI into that system without fixing the underlying design just automates the burnout. The solution she offers: use AI to free up the relational capacity that was always the product, and restructure the economics around that.

(00:28:30 – 00:31:00) — The Historical Pattern: Extraction, Collapse, Reconstruction She names the current political and economic moment as part of a recognizable historical arc — the gilded age extraction, the 1920s crash, Reconstruction and the burning of Black Wall Street, the rewriting of history, and the intergenerational transmission of that knowledge through voice when the written record was suppressed. She draws a direct line from those historical moments to now: the same families, the same extractive logic, the same cronies — now operating on an international scale with AI as the latest instrument. The pattern is not hidden. The question is whether we wait for the collapse or design the alternative now.

(00:31:00 – 00:34:00) — Community-Embedded Care as the Model: The Belly Guru as Proof of Concept Before AI entered the conversation, Dr. Lisa was already running the model she is now proposing at scale: group-based wellness, community-embedded delivery, horizontal access, early technology integration for reach rather than replacement. The Belly Guru was not just a brand. It was a proof of concept for what care economics can look like when the human systems are centered. That model — updated, AI-augmented, and connected to a broader network of practitioners doing the same work — is what she is now building through MindBody Enterprises and the Owning HER Health platform.

(00:34:00 – end) — The Invitation: Substack, Round Tables, Founding Sponsorship The Owning HER Health Afterglow Substack is where the deeper work lives — private podcast, round tables, the operational specifics of applying this framework to real practices and organizations. She offers a proposal intake (not a sales funnel — a diagnostic conversation), founding sponsorship at a monthly or annual level, and a commitment that nobody who shows up for this work gets left behind.

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Lissette Holland Hey, hey, hey, Dr. Lisa here. So excited. After a two-year hiatus, for those of you who are new to owning her health, thank you very much for being here. Those of you who are not new and carrying over and watching this again, it's been two years, actually two and a half years.

for this owning, you know, for my Owning Her Health podcast. And I wanted to come out today. This is a very intentional day, March 25th, 2026. I wanted to record it live because that's always when my energy, that's the best way for me to record these podcasts, the interactions, the conversations. So why are we returning now? Well,

I wanted to one, reintroduce myself in this and explain that. So for those of you who don't know me, I'm a former clinician and I kind of came on the scene as the belly guru, but really through my mentoring, the belly guru was fairly local. It was a radical at the time 2005 coming in with a direct access boutique practice by by I wasn't even a doctor of physical therapy at that point. It was just a regular licensed physical therapist because the doctor didn't even come in till about 2000. We did not bring up the profession to a doctorate I think till about 2010 nine somewhere in there and then I did, I upgraded and went back to school and filled in all the gaps. But prior to that I came into the world of allied health through athletic training.

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My undergrad was in that I have a bachelor's in that sports medicine was working with Division one athletes, semi professional high performance work, a good 10 years in New York City orthopedics worked for top hospitals Mount Sinai, Saint Luke's Roosevelt. I did the gamut of you know, pediatric, through geriatric, through my career. And when I saw what was going on with the economics up in New York, I decided to move out. And my intention was to move to a direct access state, which means that I did not need a doctor's prescription before I could do my practice, before I could use my licensure, which is how it should be.

Which is how community health should be. And so I was very intent in finding a direct access state and North Carolina was one of them. And so we moved down to the Charlotte Metro area in 2004, we opened up the Belly Guru in 2005. It was meant to take a 180 degree pivot into women's health because of my own experience despite all I knew and all my awards and my top recommendations of by everybody I worked with and all of my good accolades and you know I went through maternity very naive and I realized the stuff my mother had been going through at the time.

I didn't know this, but by the time I actually opened up a radical ( for the Charlotte Market of 2005) integrative community-based, physical therapy office, under a theme of yoga therapy. I knew I was in the Bible, but I did not realize that the second top banking town in America was so behind the number one banking town in terms of thinking of yoga as like a demonic kind of thing.

So that was an interesting know your audience moment, but I was naive and I'm glad I was because I didn't realize how revolutionary I was. It ended up me being 10 years in direct access cash-based wellness practice, integrative, making myself the gatekeeper, really flattening the hierarchy of medicine and taking it into a horizontal with the other professions that I brought into my center.

(04:42.504) I did not know that I couldn't do it. And therefore I could. And so I became a mentor, a peer mentor, quite organically when everyone else started waking up to the fact that you could just say the heck with what the insurance company was doing in terms of gatekeeping, the heck with the fact that doctors might have found you competitive and been owning your clinics and orthopedics, physician-owned practices, where you didn't have the control over your profession. And I just did it, naively and therefore first and fast. And that's a lot of what I feel now with the AI movement.

There were no rules against certain things. So therefore I could do it until someone would stop me.

If I Had Had AI Back Then

Unfortunately, AI right now is very, very dangerous to take that same mentality as entrepreneurship. So there's a lot to say. I opened up a My Body Brand Academy. It was a brand academy for my peers. I was focused from the women's health aspect to a women's empowerment aspect, which was what the core work of my center was. It was lifestyle, it was coaching. was all the things that I didn't realize were in 10 years gonna be the way the rest of my peers would finally welcome. I didn't know how long it was gonna take. I knew it was a trend, that's why I went on it. I just didn't know that they were gonna do such a radical thing and it was gonna end up being economics. so economics, health policy, health politics, economics, the academia, all of that is very intertwined.

And I'm gonna be bringing that into my show now. We're gonna move a lot more from the symptoms and the place that I was working at when I introduced this show back in 2016. We were hopeful the US was gonna, it was October of 2016. We were very hopeful the US was gonna finally catch up to the rest of the world and the reorganizing world order and vote in our first woman president.

(07:04.906) It served a purpose to connect me and connect my audience with other women who had also flipped their pain and turned into a passion project and a career they loved, particularly in healthcare, initially in healthcare. then I brought in towards the pandemic, I was already starting to bring in the other medicine women that I was seeing leaving corporate, leaving finance, leaving academics to basically do what I did, which was make sure that I was gonna be the mom I wanted to be, along with being the, you know, have the career ladder, have the leadership support, because once you leave the system, everyone knows once you have kids, you have a mommy tax, a huge mommy tax here in America. I had gone through my own health stuff, and that's what got me into women's health, like I said, particularly around the pregnancy and maternity care, which I believe is a two-year window.

Why To Push The Next Era of Centering Moms Again

Because my philosophy was if mommy's happy, then everyone else can get the care and the support and everything she learns for herself. But I needed to catch her before she was busy being distracted again. And as much as I wanted to speak to the women and talk to the women in terms of their health and owning their health, a lot of them didn't listen to me.

Third wave feminism, we have a lot to say. We have so much to say. And they wouldn't come to me. They wouldn't end up on my treatment tables and on my yoga mats and working with my mommy coaches and anybody like that until they broke. And at that point we're already downstream to the point that they're so overwhelmed. And again, I see the parallel now with AI and I see it with flooding the zone with what's happening politically in the U S but I see it from a symptoms model, but also from the systems model. Luckily I am not normal neuro normative. And so I have always seen things from the big system, which is why I could connect the dots a decade plus ahead of my peers and just go into direct primary care, physical therapy and allied health. Meaning if I could have gotten a nurse, I would have gotten a nurse on board. I hadn't grown big enough yet to do that. I tried to get an OB-GYN to think about it, but she just couldn't, although she was one of my clients.

(09:26.838) She couldn't fathom in her head because of the way the system worked. And she was so indebted to the insurance companies for how she was gonna get paid. And now we see all the mass exodus 13 years later with direct primary care physicians, right? They finally realized what PTs were doing, what OTs were doing, what speech pathologists were doing. And we're seeing it go down the rabbit hole. So there's a lot bigger audience to hear this conversation in terms of where we are now outside of just the entrepreneurial and opening up our own little utopias, we can't do that anymore. We need to start networking the little utopias that we did opened up in our little clinics and centers. And in 2023, I thought we were kind of like past that. The clinical in me was being phased out. I was done with that, especially post pandemic.

And I really wanted to work on leadership support because a lot of the branding and the positioning and the opening up of markets that I had done with the, you know, close to 300 women at that point, I didn't see that carry over because I realized we really hadn't worked out some of the power dynamics. And it wasn't a matter of confidence and imposter syndrome and everything else getting shoved down these women's throats. It was honestly being able to

Neuro-regulate and keep your momentum while the chaos is happening. And so a lot of them reverted back into their cocoons and their little utopias. if they did, they didn't utilize a lot of the things I had told them, which would have positioned them through the pandemic a lot stronger. And we've seen a big drop off of yoga studios. We've seen a big drop off of just yoga therapists in general.

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The New Day for Yoga Therapists...and other Allied Health Pros

There's been a big...reshuffle on there and it's really pulling us all up. You know, like it looks bad, but it's really pulling us all to really step into our authority. And so, you know, the 2025 version of the U.S. began calling me really big and strong. Back to that maternal intent, meaning that if if mama can get this, if she could figure this out.

And when I'm talking about owning her health right now, I'm talking about all the systems, the social determinants of health, then her community thrives. I mean, we have the research on this. I am not sitting here from a place of convincing anyone. I might've done that 20 years ago. I might've done that even 10 years ago. I am coming from a place of conviction. I've always leaned towards conviction once I've had people in my circles and doing things either be the goddess wisdom mastermind, inside my my huts of the belly guru, mama guru and kid guru and baby guru and all of the things I packaged up and was able to bring out of that little idea of saying what could I have used postpartum so that I didn't end up with postpartum depression?

What could my mother have used years ago that she didn't end up with cancer and her body sort of like being chronically inflammatory?

HER medicine of the early 2000's was still missing a lot of connections between her stress hormones and her sex hormones. And that never went on enough. kind of, the bad part of being ahead of the game so far, years, a decade in my case, is that you are completely exhausted by the time people catch on. And so yeah, I had my online academy, you know, it brought me in good money to get through the pandemic and through the inevitable divorce that ended up happening through other things of my empowerment and trying to go bigger and grow bigger, which I know is what a lot of women with momentum, intelligence, strong, capable, highly recognized women and have been dealing with when our men in our realm couldn't keep up and we outgrew them.

(13:53.054) And they outgrew us because they wanted us to be. And so we've got this big manosphere and we've got all of this stuff going. I can connect the dots on that. And I can do it in a way that's...

Bigger than, bigger than the impact to our personal lives, bringing the message of owning her health back with a redirection to the systems versus just the symptoms, although the symptoms we feel, meaning that the dysregulation, all the issues that happen during transitional period, transitional times such as the onset of our first cycles and motherhood and maternity and postpartum and menopause and all of those things are super important. But there are plenty of podcasts on that. There are plenty of discussions on that. But where are we really connecting the dots now to rebuild? Because I'm already in the new world. I was in the new world pandemic. You know, like I had gone through a divorce. I had gone through a lot of things.

And I was already shifting to say, know, where can we move this so that we have career activists? And where are our leaders in healthcare in all of this? I don't mean influencers. I don't mean, you know, people who are pushing a product or an app or something like that. I'm talking about...

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Health Politics in Women

You know, In 2015, we were connecting the dots here in the US, after just only starting to research women when I went to college. So in the mid 90s, we were already from the mid 90s to 20 years later already connecting the dots on maternal health, the heavy weight of our maternal morbidity, which is horrible here in the US considering the costs. But that's because of the focus and the politics around women, the community health, non-medical infrastructural needs for improving the social determinants of health and the way women themselves, as I said, are the link between fertilizing the care economy, which holds up any other economy all over the world. Definitely within our towns and our regions, the civil,

Women being the center of civilization means keeping humanity in that civics aspect and Quite honestly with the technological progress Especially how we're using it from the atomic bomb on once we were able to start using things as weapons of mass destruction She it is her and so I when I say owning her health I'm talking about owning her systemic health

And I think I always was, but I didn't understand that until 2025, until the version of the US 2025. Because today in 2026, as I'm recording this, the state of Ohio wants every pregnancy documented, including spontaneous abortions. They're calling abortions. It's called a miscarriage. Miscarriage has always been under cared for in this country.

I don't see why they don't understand that's God's will. That's God's will sometimes. And we are basically putting people already, again, I'm in the Carolinas, we've already had a woman in Atlanta, our neighbor here, used as a human incubator and her baby's gonna suffer for the rest of his life because you're not supposed to gestate babies in dead women's wombs. But our government and our governments are fighting against these things.

(17:58.324) So I'm mainly here rebooting not just because of what's going on with women, but it's with the intent to once again hold the bio-spiritual ecology wisdom, which is my reframe on the bio-psycho-social model that was coming into existence through functional medicine, through lifestyle medicine.

10, 15 years into that conversation, but it needs to evolve now. Cause it needs to make sure we don't lose it from the humanity, which I'm sorry, but that is the spirituality. Right now it's getting conflated as it always does for control into a religious doctrine. We see the Abrahamic religions all at war right now. And so, whereas I started this conversation 20 years ago, of how can we bring in the holistic understanding of that bio-spiritual ecology and from the Eastern medicine into the Western medicine. Now I'm saying, how the hell are we going to bring the East and West together, the geopolitics, the impact of what's going on with her, with her wherever she is with what's going on here in this nation right now at our local communities, how can we discuss what needs to happen on the ground now? Because listen, we're gonna need the health providers to step up.

This isn't about making your circles and your products and your programs anymore. You're gonna need to start the allied health people are gonna need to start first the bifurcation of healthcare has been here, okay?the arm of medicine, have the arm of community health, we're taking it back. And allied health is going to step into that leadership. It's gonna have to. And if the physicians and the nurses want to follow us to some extent in some of those models that are more on a horizontal, so be it, wonderful. We welcome that. This isn't an anti-medicine thing. That crap show is a mess. It is too expensive.

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The Past Rhymes

2026, We don't have access, people have lost access. So what are we doing? Boots on the ground here while our government is deciding to play war and make themselves rich with boots on the ground of our military. Like what are we doing right now? No matter what happens with the United States economy, whatever happens with our democracy, whatever happens, like what are we still doing? Because I'm gonna guarantee you in the end when this is all over, it will be the women. And we're gonna need to, if you thought you needed to be neuro-regulated to just sit at Thanksgiving dinner, girl, you're gonna need to learn how to be neuro-regulated when you're standing face to face with literal oppressive suppression of everything you wanted to do, openly allowed and possibly being in more of a civil rights activist mode than ever before. That's the reality of it. Now, I think I have ways that we can be talking about it in a way that's, it's not gonna be like the 1960s civil rights. I hope, I hope we've evolved enough. I do believe we have women in position and with an education and.

I'm not discounting the men whatsoever.

Please don't hear that as it but this Podcast and I hope you would really remember that the reason we're where we're at right now in the whole country Which hasn't been helpful to men or women or the children? But only been helpful to the oligarchs and the people who keep extracting and I'm gonna call them the predator class They are the predator class. They are the E-file class and they are working on a global basis right now to not help us. Okay, that is the America we have right now, the United States of America, because there's many Americas, okay? I hope you understand the reason we're here is because we were so effectively holding people accountable that they got scared. We were doing so much.

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We were doing so much despite the planning for 40, 50 years of project 2025 and the conservative sort of Alliance into nationalism and this whole empiric reversal. It's like they're pushing so hard desperately because we were so effective. And so this I hope you would consider, you know, inquisitively following following this this this publication and

as you're listening to and reading some of the public publication, think to sponsor because any income generated will be to support the reformation of my role at this point. And as a networking architect in this next chapter of reconstruction, and what are we reconstructing? Personally for me, it's the US Trust in Health Leadership.

foundational relationships in society. Again, it comes to the women. Why? Because no human on this earth did not initially imprint their idea of relationship in their idea. Is the world a threat or is it a heaven or a hell outside of the womb of their mother? Okay, just nobody's better than anybody else. But there's some people that are equipped for this. Okay, this ain't DEI.

in the way it's been weaponized, okay? Nobody's being, nobody being made special, just some people were made for the task at hand. And during this transitional time of a birth of a new world order, we are in the traditional phase of this birth. That is the fourth phase. If you don't even understand we have a fourth phase, if you thought it was just, you know, preterm labor and then active pushing, and then the baby comes out that you didn't understand this transition, then that's why you need to read my publication, listen to my podcast, and support this conversation because there are so many deaths to be connected here. And honestly, helping the women and re-centralizing some of the conversations around her health and the social determinants of health is gonna help everyone. It is going to help all the men. Because I'm not even gonna get into this at this point, but it is going to help all the men, okay?

(25:24.514) And so I welcome, thank you for welcoming me back. I'm excited. I'm sad, I'm still working with grief that we have to be back here right now, but I'm looking forward to having another decade maybe of this wonderful conversation. And I am excited for when I do that 2036 post saying, you know what, we accomplished it. We got back in the saddle and we accomplished that original vision that I had that I sort of aborted and got distracted with myself.

Let's see what's to come. Thank you so much. Again, I'm Dr. Lisette Alvarez-Holland, and I am waiting to hear your input. This is going to be an interactive thing, and I can't wait for the next episode of Owning Her Health. Thanks so much.

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• The truth I had to face of my own dismantling.
• Why Owning HER Health, in the current takeover of the US is a reboot needed more now than ever.

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I'm Dr. Lisa, and we're trying out this pre-recording of the live. My podcast, Owning HER Health™, show is coming back after about a two and a half year hiatus for various reasons, which I want to explain here.

I thought I'd try this out. basically this is a solo episode and I'm not going to put any music underneath.

I'm not going to make anything fancy. I'm doing the show for the content of it. I'm not here to impress. I'm not here to perform. I'm hoping that the five years that I've kind of been quiet in terms of not coaching per se, not doing a lot of the group coaching. It's been about five years since I ran my last mind body brand Academy, closer to six years. Gosh, it's crazy. About five and a half years.

And really the show was for that audience, which were women that, you know, uh, craved their career. lot of them were in the caregiver economy, whether they were necessarily in healthcare or not. A lot of them were because that's who I was helping primarily through my Mind Body Brand Academy. But I came back now because I was going to retire that show.

But the crap show that's happened here in America, which we really can't be surprised about, although I think we're grieving. know particularly Gen X and older millennials, millennials in general, we're grieving because we genuinely, our parents were ignorant, but here in the US, we weren't.

Lissette Holland (02:14.208) And yet we got seduced enough into the climate, into the comforts, into the gains we had made, into the culture and completely missed that since Nixon. The people who didn't like Nixon getting impeached or leaving put into effect a lot of stuff and a lot of things have been

you know, dismantled.

And I had to come back because...

I am ready because I became dismantled. For those of you who are new and didn't listen to any of my old shows or know me, my whole life and structure and roles, marriage, my kids getting a little bit older, my brand, I had retired sort of the belly guru. I had been moving into you know moving online working on my ex's business to make that a family business and a family empire When I look back, you know, I can see why I was kicked out of that because of what was to come by the time we got to the pandemic I had already suffered from white collar domestic violence from betrayals and family from a lot of the the deconstruction work

Lissette Holland (03:51.054) from the patriarchy and I had gone through that in my inner circles. And so I could look at it from a perspective of like, okay, everybody's gonna finally like understand what I'm saying. Cause it was always so hard for me and probably if you're neurodivergent, and I'm not even gonna say neurodivergent, I'm gonna say non-normative, non-mediocrity.

You have always probably had a really hard time with explaining what you felt innately. And I understand that. I intimately understand that. But you could hold your intimate circles and you could work on certain projects and this and that. Well, now we got a big project and I couldn't retire at owning her health because everything I had created The Belly Guru for and Owning HER Health™ and moving that empowerment out into the world, regardless of your situation, is more needed now than I think it was needed 10 years ago when I launched the podcast. October 31st, Halloween Eve, I recorded my first show. But that in and of itself, being a Halloween show.

(2016) was just such a different America and world.

I can so relate to where we need to be here in redefining her. You're the her, but the world needs to redefine and we're finally gonna have enough men on board who are realizing this has nothing to do with my masculinity. This ultra masculinity that they're pushing, this ultrapatriarchy that has turned into anarchy almost, we're almost at the edge of that, but definitely an authoritarian fascism underlying and Christian national and all that tie in, men are now deconstructing themselves from. They're realizing the injury of the patriarchy without us saying it and them feeling shameful for falling for it.

Lissette Holland (06:12.706) Listen, we all fell for it. I feel that grief as Gen X. I can feel it. It's a similar grief to what many men are feeling, especially if they're Gen X, especially if they're older millennials, where we were so close. We were the generation that really, even if it was propaganda to distract us and think we're going for a democracy and being the global

regulators of all the chaos and the, excuse me, despondents and things like that. We believed it. We believed the morning cartoons, Saturday morning cartoons and the Justice League and the Legion of Doom. Like we believed the Marvel comics that the very wealthy, like bald, white, Lex Luther guys had an inferiority complex that he turned into his villain error and his power was just having money and control over people and knowing and going for their weakness their kryptonite like we understood we watched

Lissette Holland (07:34.414) Star Wars and understood we were the resistance. We weren't the empire. We didn't want to be the empire.

Something happened. Something happened. I'm not going to get into it. It's combination of social media, the oligarchs coming in, kind of like the monopolists of the first gilded era 100 years ago here in the US. And they just keep playing the same playbook. Now we see it. Now we see it. Now we see it. So what do we do?

What do we do? Well, here's the deal. Owning Her Health is going to come back. Last time I was really publicly active, like I said, was 2017, 18, 19, 20. My anchors were dismantled. How did I get through that? How did I live even with the financial instability and quite frankly, my chosen extraction of myself?

Over the past five years, I gave away probably half a million dollars in a salary, at least.

I needed that. I needed that because I lost a lot of money through the divorce, through the financial infidelity, through just broken family dynamics, the cost of that when you have children and you have, they had to go to college. It was just a real big mess. How did I do that? I was following a sacred success path. I was following.

This is not a cult. This is a culture

Lissette Holland (09:19.314) I was following and drinking my own Kool-Aid. But I'm not a cult. I'm a culture. I'm a sacred culture. I'm a woman. I am somebody who I will live the life that I'm preaching to you. I'm not a salesman.

I am a human.

Lissette Holland (09:44.246) And I'm standing here right now to tell you that the positioning and the time affluence that I've had is more a matter of mindset and infrastructure. I can come back to this podcast because I had the infrastructure to come back to this podcast. I have an email list to reactivate because I had formed an email list for many years, now almost 20 years.

Some of them, many of them followed me through the process into being patients and then listening to my, you know, and doing my life coaching and taking some of my programs and starting their own boutique practices. And, you know, they evolved with me. I was just a couple steps ahead to soften it a bit, but I didn't necessarily take out the challenge. My people, my people are strong, which is why I know right now that they might need the space to have the practice, to get the feedback, not as coaching, but like as consultants coming together, because they've established their own little spaces and circles. But we're about to fool around and find out fast here in America.

Lissette Holland (11:10.402) Those of us who are watching it and have fooled around in our own lives and found out faster than the majority are in a very unique position right now to give the new playbook, the parallel playbook. I think before many of us, and I know myself and what I was coaching and guiding people and had created for my own clinic, boutique and wellness culture and all of that was kind of making my own silos. And that's where I was. That's where I spent the 2008 to 2010/11. I watched neighbors go bankrupt and have to leave their houses, but we kept ours. know, like I was in my own little bubble. was minding my own business. was whatever, but I was deeply hurt by 45's presidency. I woke up that next day on November the 5th, 2016, feeling like somebody beat the hell out of me.

And from that moment on, I had my...reawakening. I had my night of the soul. I adjusted, but I adjusted into a silo, to work in that and thus I made the error of saying what a lot of people have. I thought our bad was done. And I think that's what got #47 president in.

Lissette Holland (12:51.41) My 2018 was the US 2023.

I too ran right back into what I had been working my way out of, out of this thought process that if I can just, you know, make that guy okay and use everything I had learned through the Belly Guru and my branding academy and all of that and all the success I had had pivoting from clinical care into more of like an online authority and coach. If I could just take that into his business.

Then he'd be okay when I really come back and I really explode and I really fix things and I change the infrastructure and I do all the things. I thought I had time. I thought I had time, but within a year, just that push caused the return fight and flight and his fly back into his comfort zone, which was the patriarchy, which was the red pill culture, which was the victimization. My ex breaking down, is our system's men breaking down. I became the villain like all the women are today. I became the Lex Luthor in his Superman story. And that was a very necessary place for me to be, but that's where women ended up when we collectively pushed in the Me Too movement and then came in 2020.

2020 on- The New Frameworks and Language for Curvy Hustlers

We had that whole insurrection and all of that stuff going on. That was that push back to run. That was the men and the conservatives running back because what did they unleash with that 2016 election? There was a massive reorganization of women. There was a massive reorganization of marginalized communities. There was a massive reorganization and it looked like progress.

And we really thought we had enough time to sort of say, okay, things got better. I don't need to be on top of this as much.

Lissette Holland (14:56.386)

I can go back and sort of like, you know, baby the fragile for a little bit so that thinking that it was going to make us easier because we thought we had time and we didn't. We didn't. And so we're here and so we're here and so I'm standing here to tell you like I said this infrastructure I've been that's where I've been. I've been building the new infrastructure. I call it a bio spiritual ecology framework. I have a 5A Sacred Success Path.

That's a process that's not just one way. It's not linear. It's The Curvy Hustle®

You go in and out of stages of it. And every evolution is more atomic. It's intimate. It's involutionary. The whole structure, the organizational structure is not up a mountain and a peak and in a hierarchy. not, not, we're not so success is not getting to a different level of vertical.

it is not necessarily widening our reach horizontally. It's as deep as it is, you know, high. It's as wide and horizontal as it is deep. So I'm really excited because as a woman, I really do feel like the universe.

I would teach that in my systems of healing and wellbeing in a very bio-spiritual way. But the biopsychosocial model, the way that it was always being brought into the medical model is our limitation. We're not the medicine for the medical model. We are not necessarily medicine. We're in the wellbeing in the care economy.

We're not in the health. We're not in the sick economy making. We're not in the extractive capitalism, corporate health. We're not even if we're even if we're in the finances, even in the finances. If we were healers in in financial health, which I saw a lot of women come in to their own in the financial sector.

Lissette Holland (17:16.054) and leave corporate or have been pushed out by the pandemic and you literally created the medicine for it. And I interviewed some of you guys as you can go listen to owning her house, some of the past, the original podcasts, probably anywhere from like the seventies through the nineties kind of shows where it was 2020 already. And we were seeing the medicine women coming out of finance and we were seeing them come out of education and we were seeing

They were coming out of different places. They were coming out of law. were coming out of... We are reaped for blue oceans. We are reaped to see... mean, AI is going to force us not to be known by our degree, but by our skills and our person and our human systems.

How to Refocus on The things AI can't do, the things that they can give a robot to do and automate, are not the human systems.

Lissette Holland (18:19.948) And they're hitting that wall right now. So it's our time. It's our time. But we're at the place of maybe needing a space and conversation. And you'll have that exposure here in the podcast of this bio-spiritual ecology framework, of the 5 A's of things that you can immediately apply. And then,

I'm going to create the spaces for you to immediately apply them together with us. Not because I'm coaching it. Listen, I can be the leader now. I can give you the templates. I can give you the blueprint because you've evolved enough into your leadership to take it and run. Take it and run. So we're going to come together when that doesn't work for you and you need to come back and say,

Not what did I do wrong? Tell me what I did right. Here's what I did. We don't have enough spaces like that. had too many people telling us how to be them. had too much NLP Tony Robbins crap hijacking our system to be this automated, robotic, stoic, know, linear success. You fall off your failure. It's all gone if we'll just surrender it. And so we're going to talk about being able to do that and have more intimate spaces. The Owning Her Health™ Afterglow Substack is where, you know, there'll be the free notes, there'll be the occasional articles of some of my creative side, some of my poetry coming back.

The private shows and and comments for kind candor, as I'm working on the shows and asking for feedback on that some of the concepts that I might not speak about on the show are on the Substack. I'm a writer. I am going to ask you to you know, support the podcast, support the practice community and it's concierge member currated podcast show and support all of us to get all access to be invited to in real life events

Lissette Holland (20:41.058) To be able to work together to repair the sisterhood.

I believe that's an aspect that's always been there and needed. I did it in my small circles. It can be done. It's uncomfortable. It's allowing for there to be discomfort and authority holding hands. We need to do that before we invite the men in.

The men are going to be part of the substack.

If they want to listen and I hope they do because I think they're going to be able to relate to a lot of it. The men who would listen because they need to re they need to reclaim their feminine and masculine dance. They're Curvy Hustlers too. They need to learn the dance. It's got to be fluid. It's got to be who's the leader for what it is now. What's the relationship? It truly is a conversation of relationship. This podcast now is going to be a lot more about relationship and the systems that determine that relationship and those power dynamics and how we stay bio-spiritually healthy for holding that field. Because I don't think anybody's taught us that. They've taught us how to own our personal field of health. Right now, we're talking a lot about neuroregulation and all of that.

But that needs to be able to go out in the world.

You'll need to be able to hold the line quietly. We really need to be like walking in Christ consciousness right now. We need to be owning our sacred heart and our belly and our womb wisdom. And it doesn't matter if your gonads are a vagina or a penis. It doesn't matter.

Because we all need this skill.

This is human systems.

But there needs to be an infrastructure for that. So I have the templates. have frameworks. I'm going to welcome in some of the private community app and in the paid tier of the sub stack to get some of the perks of the actual practice and application and feedback. Because there's no time.

Lissette Holland (23:01.656) I don't want to coach you now. I don't want you to be using my system. The MindBody Brand Academy, I am probably going to repackage that and open that up for yoga therapists to kind of DIY. I've had it there as a DIY. I'm going to, you know, update and because it's just a book you can read. It's a workbook you can do. We are, we are past the point of giving ourselves permission to change the rules.

And so I'm really looking forward to coming back. The first episode will put out the official backs for the early series, the first series that I have going on on Easter. And there's reasons for that. If you know, you know. These are discussions we'll have in the afterglow. But I think...

Something else I want to plant a seed with in the last few minutes of this, I don't want any of these lives or the podcast to be more than 30 minutes.

Send me some feedback on the following ideas

Lissette Holland (24:16.078) I'm not going to make short form dopamine hits except to say come to the show because there's work to do. So something I want to kind of like plant as a seed there for you right now is some of you may know about the show I ran during the pandemic, the other podcast, the second podcast I have, it was a short series show. It was meant to be just, you know, whatever number of shows and episodes, The Evolving Human Show.

It was a round table format, intimate, honest. had men and women there, exploratory on some of the things I was going under deconstruction and dismantling from, which was a lot of the white collar domestic violence I had gone through and the gaslighting and the intimate betrayals and really loss of my best friend.

Like, what do you do when...you know, somebody dies, but they're not dead. You know, but like that part of them, like they died, that version of them died. Not because they're, you know, not in contact with you, but they're literally a different person. And I think a lot of us are going through a lot of those same things, but not just in our intimate relationships. That's what's going on when we're seeing our neighbors, through all of these political things and all of this deconstruction of the US's version of a republic and a democracy that followed the constitution, because we're not that anymore. But we're not the new thing, whatever it's gonna be. And it's a really scary time. And I've been sitting with whether to bring it back as its own thing. I think what I've decided is that the spirit of that show, the town hall quality,

Lissette Holland (26:18.446) And the coworking in conversation is probably going to come back to the Owning Her Health™ Show. But that private podcasting intent of sort of where that show might have gone is going to be in my app community, in my community app.

The Curvy Hustle App has been place on the side but it will be where you're going to be if you like are really ready to "Be the person you need to be to do the things you need to do" using these principles so that we're all on the same page in terms of like, what is this new playbook? And again, like I said, that's where you'll be able to contribute and help form this network because this network, I want this network to pay you. I wanna be able to pay you for your participation. So that's some of the stuff.

On this Reboot day--- Full moon in Libra, I want to sort of plant a seed for you with, and the best place to learn and hear about that will be in the sub stack, because you'll learn where to go from there.

And this is really the midcycle of a new beginning we all began in 2016. This has a potential to be a beginning of the media company for that cooperative that we can form out of that circle, that most active practicing, applying and creating those little health hubs and those little care hubs and reforming the community work we could really share.

Lissette Holland (28:11.082) I am thinking of this, this second half as a cooperative media company. So, I'm going to say that plainly because I think that when we name things, we own them. I'm not at all worried somebody's going to take that idea because they are not going to have the people who form that good for them if they could heal the sisterhood, give each member their bio spiritual mapping and regulation tools and ability to sustain themselves at the processing level that they're already, you know, non-normative to twice exceptional rate, you know, like good for them if, you know, but I don't believe that they'll have the curvy hustle. And so we can, and this is again, this is the new model of how we're gonna work. I'm not saying give away everything to the wrong people. We're gonna be very much screening. I've always operated that way.

Lissette Holland (29:15.938) We're playing a different playbook. And Owning HER Health podcast is the flagship. The Afterglow on Substack is the depth layer and The Curvy Hustle is the ecosystem for the community on the private app, the templates, the infrastructure for others in the collective to establish their community health/enterprise hubs. For that, for where I see ourselves going. And it's not me making this stuff up.

I have looked at what Spain and Finland and like these pockets in France and places where it worked, where it worked enough for it to be normalized enough that other people took it into their ecosystems. Listen, the care community was there before all the rest of the other things like capitalism, socialism, Marxism, all the other isms, the racism, community is care.

You don't have community without care, although we've been sold that. So yeah, so the forum, the cooperative spaces, the practitioner networks, that all grows from this foundation, from the owning her health podcast, coming back mission driven as ever maternal in nature.

Growing Trees We May Never Sit Under

I am not worried about people who've never had kids. There's a whole chunk of you who need to resolve your maternal authority. You have not graduated from it because you did not have kids. And when you formed and birthed your enterprises, you went into an emperic structure that is coming to an end. You basically entered in the proximity of the empire playbook and you've played it very well. But it's time for us to extract you if you're ready to be extracted and for you to give us the intel how to dismantle all of it, even your own that you wanna burn down because there's something else that is parallel.

Listen, the things that want to remain in that that need to remain in that, and I'm gonna talk just from a healthcare model, medicine will be there. Allopathic made wonderful gains, but it is emergent care, is urgent care.

Lissette Holland (31:42.9) Physicians and nurses need to stay and practiceat their full highest level of their authority and their licensures. They don't know wellness. Nurses do. The ones that want to practice outside medicine and sick care need to graduate themselves out and come back into the care economy. They need to be part of the allied health network of the care economy. They need to be part of the caregiver networks. They need to be even given a sustainable ecosystem that can allow them to just be caregivers of their grandchildren on paid labor if need be, but they get some sort of social credit for being that in the infrastructure. We're taking it back. We're taking it all back because everything's broken in a good way. Everything's collapsed. And even if you are lucky enough to be in your silo, you better stay there because it's like me thinking about the apocalypse in terms of a, let's say a nuclear Holocaust. And we've got all these rich people that are ready to take a rocket and go into space a while.

Maybe they'll get to Mars. Doubt it. Probably gonna press a button before that. But if we don't press the button, if we went into those caves, because we did press the button, I'm not going into the cave. Did no one see The Day After Movie in the 1980s? I'm not coming up to a radio, a complete wasteland of radioactiveness that I have to then like go through somehow get exposed just even to get to places that might have not been too exposed. I am going to have a party. I'm going to be quite calm. I'm going to be sitting there at peace. And I'm going to be as close to the ground zero as possible so that I evaporate. I'm done at that point because I'm there now to go last to be a burden on society.

Lissette Holland (33:34.472) And that's how I see us right now.

That's kind of how I see us in this.

Those women that sort of went in and they think they're going into the caves and they're gonna be able to come back out. the people, men and women who are kind of in their silos and their country clubs and their closed off gated communities, like you better hope you get into that high elite class, if they're not destroyed in the revolution. Because you're on your own. When you come out, you're on your own. And you can be part of helping what's there in the infrastructure and more welcome if you just throw your money at us. Throw your money at people like me. I'm going to flat out say it. I'm not going to be nice about it. If you feel you can't be political right now because it just stresses you out, and you're comfortable enough and you're just waiting for the hero to come in and fix it, whoever that is in your mind, God, your husband, your wife, yourself, your money, whatever that is, just understand you need to be throwing money at people right now, because that's the way the world works. Because otherwise you're going to be seen as somebody who is unsafe and untrustworthy.

And that's what we see right now. That's where a lot of white wealthy women are not understanding as they're deconstructing themselves from religion, deconstructing themselves from conservative politics, decolonizing themselves. There's plenty of women of color who are decolonizing themselves. I'm one of them who had to do that, realizing how whitewashed I still was, even though I had gone on my little journey, my big journey.

Lissette Holland (35:33.346) But I don't want take up too much more time. I just kind of wanted to say and explain where everything is now. Put this on the sub stack. I'll probably get this up onto the main podcast sometime in the week. Like I said, the first series will get put out the first episodes on the 25th. We're almost there. That's a significant date.

And I'm excited. Welcome Back. Welcome for the First time. Thank you for welcoming me back and welcome to anyone who's new, because pretty much everybody here on the Substack is new, except for maybe 35 or so of you that hobbled on over when I said I was starting up writing again. So welcome back.

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