In a game that felt like a lingering groin injury, the Packers beat themselves more than a 15 year old on summer vacation, bending to the Detroit Lions 24-14. The loss left Chris and Dave wondering if they’d accidentally turned into a horror film. The Packers’ offense was littered by dropped passes and penalties, looking more lost than a Floridian in a snowstorm. Meanwhile, the Lions played like they were on vacation, handling the elements with aplomb while the Packers looked like a team that usually plays in a dome. With each foible, it became clear: the only thing more dank and moist than the weather was Green Bay’s performance.

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Posting its first show in 2005, Packers Therapy is the longest-running Packers podcast on the Internet. Hosts Chris and Dave began the show as a way of capturing the spirited chats the two co-workers had about the team around the office. The two have no pretense about being experts: they are just two opinionated shareholders who love the team, follow it closely, but don’t always see the Packers fortunes eye to eye.

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