This was recorded on 5/16 just days after Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker had gone viral for a controversial commencement speech at Benedictine College. The news about this was so fresh when this was recorded, you can actually tell the Listen & Learn hosts were just as shocked as Taylor Swift was. Or not.

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.