Dr. Chandra Wickramasinghe is a cosmologist, astronomer, and mathematician who spent nearly 50 years working alongside Sir Fred Hoyle. Together they published roughly 70 papers in Nature arguing that cosmic dust is biological, that life is a property of the universe itself, and that Earth is a collection plate. None of those papers were ever refuted, they were ignored.

In this episode of The Cosmic Tusk podcast, George Howard sits down with Chandra and his wife Priya for a conversation that covers the science, the suppression, and the personal cost. Arthur C. Clarke shows up on a bumpy prop plane, a fax machine in Cardiff delivers the most important spectrum in modern biology, and there are dust clouds at the Lagrange points that might be listening.