A sitdown with legendary explorer, instructor, and authorJeff Bozanic to dissect what really kills rebreather divers — and how to break the accident chain before it reaches the fatal endpoint. Bozanic walks through the true incident picture for CCR vs open circuit, why early adopters skew the stats, and how advanced cave and deep wreck missions intersect with a steep learning curve on new life-support technology. Using detailed case studies (including a trimix instructor fatality involving wrong bailout gas, missing regulator, entanglement, and an isolation valve in the wrong place), he shows how most CCR deaths are not "one big mistake" but layers of small errors stacked together. Key technical topics include: Why rebreather incident rates appear ~10x higher than OC — and why that comparison is misleading How OC muscle memory (dropping a reg, response to gas emergencies) can be lethal on CCR The role of checklists: why long ones get ignored and how a short, targeted pre-dive CCR check could prevent 60–80% of known fatalities Human factors, complacency, and the "I got away with it last time" mindset in advanced dives Why 5-minute prebreathe "CO₂ tests" are functionally nonsense and how hypercapnia destroys your ability to self-assess Where rebreather tech, procedures, and training are headed over the next 20 years If you dive or teach CCR — especially in caves, deep wrecks, or mixed-gas environments — this episode is a blunt, data-driven look at accident analysis for rebreather diving and the mindset required to keep pushing the envelope without becoming a statistic.