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Pedologues Episode #11
Episode #11 of Pedologues.
Pedologues is a podcast focused on issues surrounding inter-generational relationships, pedophilia, child sexuality, culture, society's views on these issues, law, and everyday life.
The first three episodes were cohosted by Rookiee and Abraxas. Episode four was formatted as an interview with Rebellee of the website boylover(dot)net. Subsequent episodes have been recorded via online Skype conversations and pieced together in post-production.
After 20 episodes, Rookiee announced the termination of the series, citing time constraints, financial burdens, and other personal reasons, and removed all episodes from the Pedologues homepage. Here we present an archive of all episodes released.
Pedologues Episode 11 (28 November 2005) Rookiee, Jason, and Boy Story summary:
Introductions.
Jason: I am 15 and on the show because I know a guest from the previous show, plus I want to start a boylover revolution. Rookiee: how are you going to do that? Jason: communicate the fact with everyone you know. (01:42 to 03:59)
Crossing the line.
Rookiee: what is a boylover? Jason: someone who cares about boys, who finds them attractive, but doesn’t act upon their desires. Kissing and cuddling is fine, but once you get into their pants, it becomes a problem because a line is crossed. Rookiee: are you worried about getting into the pants from a legal or moral perspective? Jason: I am referring to an innocent boy here. Boy Story: at what point can they know they want to do something, and at what point can they know it would be OK to do something? Jason: they have to know what they are getting into. (04:00 to 06:37)
Little boy lover.
Jason: I am into boys aged 3 to 7. Rookiee: being into 9 plus, I don’t see how a relationship with such a young age range can bring anything at all. Jason: maybe because I am still young myself, plus at that young age they are not so adversarial. I am into the emotional aspect rather than the physical. Age of attraction is not a fixed thing; one can still be attracted to older boys in certain circumstances. Rookiee: aware of a person who is essentially asexual because empathetic pleasure trumps physical attraction for them. Jason: and then there is the domain of fetishism. (06:38 to 11:29)
Is paedophilia a fetish?
Rookiee: How do you define a fetish? I know of a couple who have about 150 wigs, and the wife has to wear a wig for the guy to get an erection. Boy Story: a sexuality classification occurs when a significant percentage of a population have a physiological response to a given stimuli. If you showed an image of a nude adolescent male to a large sample of men, a significant proportion of them would become aroused. Such a large response indicates a discrete sexual attraction, not a fetish. Rookiee: Kinsey investigated human sexuality and devised a Kinsey scale from 0 to 6, where zero was no attraction, and six was full attraction. (11:30 to 13:59)
GL v BL friction.
Rookie: noticed animosity between a minority of girl lovers and boy lovers within the online community, claiming they are not alike. The majority have no problem and believe the two factions goals are the same. Both communities should be channelling their efforts into mentoring children regardless of what gender the child happens to be, in every aspect of their lives. (14:00 to 16:24)
Born gay?
Jason: do you believe you were born gay or have you learnt it along the way? Boy Story: Jason, when did you realise you were gay? Jason: 12. Rookiee: there is a difference between homosexual and gay. Gay is a lifestyle; homosexual is your sexual orientation. There is also a difference between paedophile and boylover. In answer to your original question, my realisation that I was into boys slowly evolved between 10 and 12. Boy Story: at around 5 years old I realised I wanted to be around males, not females. I believe prior to puberty or before one’s first sexual experience, it is unlikely a child will even comprehend the concept of sexual attraction. (16:25 to 26:09)
Learning about sex.
Rookiee: what age did you learn about sex? Jason: at age 8. I heard noise from my parent’s bedroom and thought my mother was being beaten up, so I opened their door and walked in on them. My father shouted at me to leave the room, but I started crying and he came out to console me. He then gave the lowdown on the birds and the bees. Rookiee: the earlier children learn about sex, the more they will be able to deal with related events as they grow older. However, warnings of stranger danger make it difficult for older people to teach this subject to children. Boy Story raises the topic of the counselling work he did in Los Angeles, and which he talked about in episode 10, when he was perceived by parents to be a threat to the kids he was giving advice to, because of stranger danger fear. The advice he gave, is now being given by student peers, no older than 16. (26:10 to 31:29)
Consent age minefield.
Rookiee: society is more accepting of gay youth. Even so, a rocky path awaits all mutually attracted kids. 13yo plus 13yo is acceptable, but 16yo plus 12yo – can’t do that. Recalls in high school a teacher telling a 17yo plus 18yo, you two can’t have sex because you will go to jail. Boy Story: a high school couple, the guy at 15 was eight months older than the girl. The girl’s parents didn’t like the boy. The couple were sexually active up to the point the boy turned 18. Thereafter each time the boy came over, the parents recorded the fact the couple made love. Four months later the boy was arrested and charged with more than thirty counts of statutory rape. His sentence was 25 years to life, with no parole. (26:10 to 36:19)
Define rape.
Boy Story: California law: child molestation charges levied below the age of 14. Between the ages of 14 and 18, illegal intercourse charges levied – it used to be called statutory rape. Females cannot be charged with rape, so it is a one-way crime; no convictions have occurred in the US. Rape: the unwanted act perpetrated by a male on a female. (36:20 to 40:19)
Define child.
Boy Story: anyone who is attracted to a child, no matter how one defines child, is a paedophile. By California society’s norm, that means any one under the age of consent. Rookiee: but increasingly news stories report about sex crimes against children between the ages of 12 and 17. But a 17yo is not a child. Boy Story: they are in the eyes of the law. Society says that a child younger the age of 14 does not have the mental wherewithal to consent. I personally think that that is bullshit. Such crimes rank at a higher level of felonious activity. Rookiee: if we are to make any progress, we really have to clarify terms. (40:20 to 45:46)
Information age.
Rookiee: Society has come a long way since before the industrial revolution when interpersonal communication prevailed, boys were part of the labour force, and there were no age of consent laws. Some claim we are well beyond the machine age and even beyond the computer age, both of which promoted impersonal communication. We are now entering the information age, and it may just be that the social pendulum swings back to the way things were prior to the industrial age. (45:47 to 54:04)
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Pedologues is a podcast focused on issues surrounding inter-generational relationships, pedophilia, child sexuality, culture, society's views on these issues, law, and everyday life.
The first three episodes were cohosted by Rookiee and Abraxas. Episode four was formatted as an interview with Rebellee of the website boylover(dot)net. Subsequent episodes have been recorded via online Skype conversations and pieced together in post-production.
After 20 episodes, Rookiee announced the termination of the series, citing time constraints, financial burdens, and other personal reasons, and removed all episodes from the Pedologues homepage. Here we present an archive of all episodes released.
Pedologues Episode 11 (28 November 2005) Rookiee, Jason, and Boy Story summary:
Introductions.
Jason: I am 15 and on the show because I know a guest from the previous show, plus I want to start a boylover revolution. Rookiee: how are you going to do that? Jason: communicate the fact with everyone you know. (01:42 to 03:59)
Crossing the line.
Rookiee: what is a boylover? Jason: someone who cares about boys, who finds them attractive, but doesn’t act upon their desires. Kissing and cuddling is fine, but once you get into their pants, it becomes a problem because a line is crossed. Rookiee: are you worried about getting into the pants from a legal or moral perspective? Jason: I am referring to an innocent boy here. Boy Story: at what point can they know they want to do something, and at what point can they know it would be OK to do something? Jason: they have to know what they are getting into. (04:00 to 06:37)
Little boy lover.
Jason: I am into boys aged 3 to 7. Rookiee: being into 9 plus, I don’t see how a relationship with such a young age range can bring anything at all. Jason: maybe because I am still young myself, plus at that young age they are not so adversarial. I am into the emotional aspect rather than the physical. Age of attraction is not a fixed thing; one can still be attracted to older boys in certain circumstances. Rookiee: aware of a person who is essentially asexual because empathetic pleasure trumps physical attraction for them. Jason: and then there is the domain of fetishism. (06:38 to 11:29)
Is paedophilia a fetish?
Rookiee: How do you define a fetish? I know of a couple who have about 150 wigs, and the wife has to wear a wig for the guy to get an erection. Boy Story: a sexuality classification occurs when a significant percentage of a population have a physiological response to a given stimuli. If you showed an image of a nude adolescent male to a large sample of men, a significant proportion of them would become aroused. Such a large response indicates a discrete sexual attraction, not a fetish. Rookiee: Kinsey investigated human sexuality and devised a Kinsey scale from 0 to 6, where zero was no attraction, and six was full attraction. (11:30 to 13:59)
GL v BL friction.
Rookie: noticed animosity between a minority of girl lovers and boy lovers within the online community, claiming they are not alike. The majority have no problem and believe the two factions goals are the same. Both communities should be channelling their efforts into mentoring children regardless of what gender the child happens to be, in every aspect of their lives. (14:00 to 16:24)
Born gay?
Jason: do you believe you were born gay or have you learnt it along the way? Boy Story: Jason, when did you realise you were gay? Jason: 12. Rookiee: there is a difference between homosexual and gay. Gay is a lifestyle; homosexual is your sexual orientation. There is also a difference between paedophile and boylover. In answer to your original question, my realisation that I was into boys slowly evolved between 10 and 12. Boy Story: at around 5 years old I realised I wanted to be around males, not females. I believe prior to puberty or before one’s first sexual experience, it is unlikely a child will even comprehend the concept of sexual attraction. (16:25 to 26:09)
Learning about sex.
Rookiee: what age did you learn about sex? Jason: at age 8. I heard noise from my parent’s bedroom and thought my mother was being beaten up, so I opened their door and walked in on them. My father shouted at me to leave the room, but I started crying and he came out to console me. He then gave the lowdown on the birds and the bees. Rookiee: the earlier children learn about sex, the more they will be able to deal with related events as they grow older. However, warnings of stranger danger make it difficult for older people to teach this subject to children. Boy Story raises the topic of the counselling work he did in Los Angeles, and which he talked about in episode 10, when he was perceived by parents to be a threat to the kids he was giving advice to, because of stranger danger fear. The advice he gave, is now being given by student peers, no older than 16. (26:10 to 31:29)
Consent age minefield.
Rookiee: society is more accepting of gay youth. Even so, a rocky path awaits all mutually attracted kids. 13yo plus 13yo is acceptable, but 16yo plus 12yo – can’t do that. Recalls in high school a teacher telling a 17yo plus 18yo, you two can’t have sex because you will go to jail. Boy Story: a high school couple, the guy at 15 was eight months older than the girl. The girl’s parents didn’t like the boy. The couple were sexually active up to the point the boy turned 18. Thereafter each time the boy came over, the parents recorded the fact the couple made love. Four months later the boy was arrested and charged with more than thirty counts of statutory rape. His sentence was 25 years to life, with no parole. (26:10 to 36:19)
Define rape.
Boy Story: California law: child molestation charges levied below the age of 14. Between the ages of 14 and 18, illegal intercourse charges levied – it used to be called statutory rape. Females cannot be charged with rape, so it is a one-way crime; no convictions have occurred in the US. Rape: the unwanted act perpetrated by a male on a female. (36:20 to 40:19)
Define child.
Boy Story: anyone who is attracted to a child, no matter how one defines child, is a paedophile. By California society’s norm, that means any one under the age of consent. Rookiee: but increasingly news stories report about sex crimes against children between the ages of 12 and 17. But a 17yo is not a child. Boy Story: they are in the eyes of the law. Society says that a child younger the age of 14 does not have the mental wherewithal to consent. I personally think that that is bullshit. Such crimes rank at a higher level of felonious activity. Rookiee: if we are to make any progress, we really have to clarify terms. (40:20 to 45:46)
Information age.
Rookiee: Society has come a long way since before the industrial revolution when interpersonal communication prevailed, boys were part of the labour force, and there were no age of consent laws. Some claim we are well beyond the machine age and even beyond the computer age, both of which promoted impersonal communication. We are now entering the information age, and it may just be that the social pendulum swings back to the way things were prior to the industrial age. (45:47 to 54:04)