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Pedologues Episode #17
Episode #17 of Pedologues.
Pedologues is a podcast focused on issues surrounding inter-generational relationships, pedophilia, child sexuality, culture, society's views on these issues, law, and everyday life.
The first three episodes were cohosted by Rookiee and Abraxas. Episode four was formatted as an interview with Rebellee of the website boylover(dot)net. Subsequent episodes have been recorded via online Skype conversations and pieced together in post-production.
After 20 episodes, Rookiee announced the termination of the series, citing time constraints, financial burdens, and other personal reasons, and removed all episodes from the Pedologues homepage. Here we present an archive of all episodes released.
Pedologues Episode 17 (20 February 2006) Rookiee, C Chan, Jack summary:
Waffle. (01:37 to 04:39)
Introduction.
C Chan: when I first heard Pedologues, I could not believe someone was actually discussing such a topic. It was a combination of shock and relief at the same time to hear someone voicing the things that I feel. Rookiee: you heard of Pedologues through Freenet? C Chan: a link was placed by someone on Freenet discussing censorship. (04:40 to 05:49)
Waffle. (05:50 to 11:35)
Discriminatory sentencing.
C Chan: in the old days, I was really only interested in games and programs. I was totally wares-centric. Rookiee: isn’t it odd that people can openly talk about trading wares, marijuana, and all these different things, but you can’t mention the cp deal without fearing the consequences. C Chan: Two very different outcomes would result. In the former case, I would spend about a year inside, then become a hero upon release and get a job in a large software company. In the latter case, I would face a very lengthy sentence inside prison with the risk of being murdered, and upon release be ostracised forever. Jack: one could move to Europe post fact. Rookiee: the law may soon deny offenders that option too. (11:36 to 15:24)
Waffle. (15:25 to 18:23)
Jack’s story.
Rookie: you’ve always told me that the cute and cuddly aspect of a boy attracts you, not the physical side. Jack: for five years I was in military school, where I didn’t see girls or socialise much. In high school, I would prefer to hang out with young teens rather than my peers. My mother thought I was sexually attracted to little boys. She found some legal pictures and over-reacted. Later on I discovered girls. (18:24 to 22:58)
Censuring intimacy.
Rookie: I have mentioned this before, but I would rather be with a blond-haired, blue-eyed boy than a woman of my age. I have never been with a child before, since it is illegal and unacceptable to society. Even if the opportunity presented itself, it could end up in disaster and ruin both our lives. It is perceived as a bad thing, so it ends up being a bad thing, even though it is not. That is why I am doing this show. Do you think it is a good idea to be with a boy? Jack: no. Rookiee: I have heard someone comment that it is a fundamental human right to enjoy intimacy irrespective of age. Social and legal constraints imposed on people, prevent intergenerational communication and intimacy. These constraints run counter to human nature and cause harm. (22:59 to 29:16)
Waffle. (29:17 to 31:01)
Do boys enjoy sex?
Rookie: do I think having sex with a boy is bad? Absolutely not, as long as they know what they are getting into and consenting to it. Jack: do you think it is beneficial for them? C Chan: have to agree that for many boys it is the physical experience; it feels good and they enjoy it. Rookiee: so what is bad about that? C Chan: it doesn’t seem bad to me. Jack: but it can’t be good for them. Rookiee: it depends on the individual boy. These days, boys have so much exposure to sex via the media and via their peers it is likely they will want to experience it. (31:02 to 34:58)
Is sex a problem?
There is no way you can fix age of consent. Jack: what age is acceptable? Rookiee: when puberty hits, between 11 and 14 years old. Jack: so a younger boy would have to be very much at the top of his game to understand sex. Rookiee: sex is a fairly easy concept to understand. Jack: so a 7 years old boy is competent? Rookiee: at that age their personalities are still developing, so I think it is too young. I am not aware of any boy that age would have the urge to behave sexually. Sex in itself is not the problem. Because society has made sex a problem, sex is a problem. Jake: yes. C Chan: the stigma of youth having sex has become more detrimental than youth having sex. (34:59 to 39:54)
Why not naked?
Jack: what if in response to a societal norm, everyone walked around naked? Rookiee: the current societal norm is that the human body is perceived as obscene, and that is why we cover up. Jack: agreed. Why is it like that? Rookiee: cover-up fashions also vary over time. (39:55 to 44:48)
AF responsibility.
C Chan: on the topic of life with love or without love, I cannot perceive having sexual relations with a boy in the absence of love. I am talking about man-boy intimacy, not boy-boy intimacy. In the former case, there will be emotional bonding and mutual love, and the man assumes a huge responsibility. If the relationship becomes sexual, the man assumes even more responsibility. Rookiee: I agree. Jack says goodnight at this point. (44:49 to 53:44)
Molding YF’s sexuality.
C Chan: such an experience may lead the boy down a path he is not prepared for, for example: a homosexual path. Rookie: how do you know homosexuality will result from this encounter? C Chan: well that is my personal belief because that is the only sexual encounter the boy has had. Rookie: I don’t agree. Perhaps an alternate path rather than a homosexual path is more accurate. A person’s innate sexuality will prevail regardless. The affair with a man may make them more tolerant of homosexuality as they develop. But we are only considering two discrete sexualities here; what about bisexuality, how does that fit in here? Also, I didn’t get to choose my innate sexuality. C Chan: I feel that any sexual experience between a boy and a man will have repercussions for the boy. Most will be good if there is mutual love between the two, but some will be bad and we need to realise that. (53:45 to 58:20)
Boy’s interests paramount.
Rookiee: the only way I can see someone having a sexual relationship with a boy who has not yet attained puberty, is that the decision to do so has come from the boy. C Chan: exactly. Rookie: if a 9yo has questions about sexuality, then you do your best to answer him honestly, even though a potential conflict of interest situation exists. C Chan: what if the boy makes it obvious he wants to take it further? Rookiee: if it were completely legal, it would be a no-brainer. C Chan: so we have to be extremely careful how we proceed in our culture, and place the interests of the boy above everything else. (58:21 to 01:04:48)
Boy lover responsibilities.
C Chan: a great responsibility and more than I see mentioned in the community. Rookiee: there are a lot of people out there who either can’t see it or don’t respect it, and those are the people who give us a bad name. C Chan: exactly. Rookiee: that is what it comes down to, the relationship between the adult and the child. C Chan: often the child does not have the skills to communicate feelings and thoughts in a coherent way. Rookiee: all we can do is let people know about this important topic. (01:04:49 to 01:11:21)
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Pedologues is a podcast focused on issues surrounding inter-generational relationships, pedophilia, child sexuality, culture, society's views on these issues, law, and everyday life.
The first three episodes were cohosted by Rookiee and Abraxas. Episode four was formatted as an interview with Rebellee of the website boylover(dot)net. Subsequent episodes have been recorded via online Skype conversations and pieced together in post-production.
After 20 episodes, Rookiee announced the termination of the series, citing time constraints, financial burdens, and other personal reasons, and removed all episodes from the Pedologues homepage. Here we present an archive of all episodes released.
Pedologues Episode 17 (20 February 2006) Rookiee, C Chan, Jack summary:
Waffle. (01:37 to 04:39)
Introduction.
C Chan: when I first heard Pedologues, I could not believe someone was actually discussing such a topic. It was a combination of shock and relief at the same time to hear someone voicing the things that I feel. Rookiee: you heard of Pedologues through Freenet? C Chan: a link was placed by someone on Freenet discussing censorship. (04:40 to 05:49)
Waffle. (05:50 to 11:35)
Discriminatory sentencing.
C Chan: in the old days, I was really only interested in games and programs. I was totally wares-centric. Rookiee: isn’t it odd that people can openly talk about trading wares, marijuana, and all these different things, but you can’t mention the cp deal without fearing the consequences. C Chan: Two very different outcomes would result. In the former case, I would spend about a year inside, then become a hero upon release and get a job in a large software company. In the latter case, I would face a very lengthy sentence inside prison with the risk of being murdered, and upon release be ostracised forever. Jack: one could move to Europe post fact. Rookiee: the law may soon deny offenders that option too. (11:36 to 15:24)
Waffle. (15:25 to 18:23)
Jack’s story.
Rookie: you’ve always told me that the cute and cuddly aspect of a boy attracts you, not the physical side. Jack: for five years I was in military school, where I didn’t see girls or socialise much. In high school, I would prefer to hang out with young teens rather than my peers. My mother thought I was sexually attracted to little boys. She found some legal pictures and over-reacted. Later on I discovered girls. (18:24 to 22:58)
Censuring intimacy.
Rookie: I have mentioned this before, but I would rather be with a blond-haired, blue-eyed boy than a woman of my age. I have never been with a child before, since it is illegal and unacceptable to society. Even if the opportunity presented itself, it could end up in disaster and ruin both our lives. It is perceived as a bad thing, so it ends up being a bad thing, even though it is not. That is why I am doing this show. Do you think it is a good idea to be with a boy? Jack: no. Rookiee: I have heard someone comment that it is a fundamental human right to enjoy intimacy irrespective of age. Social and legal constraints imposed on people, prevent intergenerational communication and intimacy. These constraints run counter to human nature and cause harm. (22:59 to 29:16)
Waffle. (29:17 to 31:01)
Do boys enjoy sex?
Rookie: do I think having sex with a boy is bad? Absolutely not, as long as they know what they are getting into and consenting to it. Jack: do you think it is beneficial for them? C Chan: have to agree that for many boys it is the physical experience; it feels good and they enjoy it. Rookiee: so what is bad about that? C Chan: it doesn’t seem bad to me. Jack: but it can’t be good for them. Rookiee: it depends on the individual boy. These days, boys have so much exposure to sex via the media and via their peers it is likely they will want to experience it. (31:02 to 34:58)
Is sex a problem?
There is no way you can fix age of consent. Jack: what age is acceptable? Rookiee: when puberty hits, between 11 and 14 years old. Jack: so a younger boy would have to be very much at the top of his game to understand sex. Rookiee: sex is a fairly easy concept to understand. Jack: so a 7 years old boy is competent? Rookiee: at that age their personalities are still developing, so I think it is too young. I am not aware of any boy that age would have the urge to behave sexually. Sex in itself is not the problem. Because society has made sex a problem, sex is a problem. Jake: yes. C Chan: the stigma of youth having sex has become more detrimental than youth having sex. (34:59 to 39:54)
Why not naked?
Jack: what if in response to a societal norm, everyone walked around naked? Rookiee: the current societal norm is that the human body is perceived as obscene, and that is why we cover up. Jack: agreed. Why is it like that? Rookiee: cover-up fashions also vary over time. (39:55 to 44:48)
AF responsibility.
C Chan: on the topic of life with love or without love, I cannot perceive having sexual relations with a boy in the absence of love. I am talking about man-boy intimacy, not boy-boy intimacy. In the former case, there will be emotional bonding and mutual love, and the man assumes a huge responsibility. If the relationship becomes sexual, the man assumes even more responsibility. Rookiee: I agree. Jack says goodnight at this point. (44:49 to 53:44)
Molding YF’s sexuality.
C Chan: such an experience may lead the boy down a path he is not prepared for, for example: a homosexual path. Rookie: how do you know homosexuality will result from this encounter? C Chan: well that is my personal belief because that is the only sexual encounter the boy has had. Rookie: I don’t agree. Perhaps an alternate path rather than a homosexual path is more accurate. A person’s innate sexuality will prevail regardless. The affair with a man may make them more tolerant of homosexuality as they develop. But we are only considering two discrete sexualities here; what about bisexuality, how does that fit in here? Also, I didn’t get to choose my innate sexuality. C Chan: I feel that any sexual experience between a boy and a man will have repercussions for the boy. Most will be good if there is mutual love between the two, but some will be bad and we need to realise that. (53:45 to 58:20)
Boy’s interests paramount.
Rookiee: the only way I can see someone having a sexual relationship with a boy who has not yet attained puberty, is that the decision to do so has come from the boy. C Chan: exactly. Rookie: if a 9yo has questions about sexuality, then you do your best to answer him honestly, even though a potential conflict of interest situation exists. C Chan: what if the boy makes it obvious he wants to take it further? Rookiee: if it were completely legal, it would be a no-brainer. C Chan: so we have to be extremely careful how we proceed in our culture, and place the interests of the boy above everything else. (58:21 to 01:04:48)
Boy lover responsibilities.
C Chan: a great responsibility and more than I see mentioned in the community. Rookiee: there are a lot of people out there who either can’t see it or don’t respect it, and those are the people who give us a bad name. C Chan: exactly. Rookiee: that is what it comes down to, the relationship between the adult and the child. C Chan: often the child does not have the skills to communicate feelings and thoughts in a coherent way. Rookiee: all we can do is let people know about this important topic. (01:04:49 to 01:11:21)