Rookiee: you are with IPCE, correct? OSN: yes, but I must stress, I am not an official speaker on behalf of IPCE. Moreover IPCE has no representative currently. The IPCE initiative began in Holland with a group of scholarly authors, historians and researchers. It is on public record that Tom O’Carroll a published author, was a member. More recently, his house was raided by UK police, not due to anything illegal, but because they classified him as a political paedophile. An interesting comment from an organisation that is tasked with protecting citizens rights in a so-called free country. (02:33 to 06:20)

OSN: Alfred Kinsey was a courageous human-sexuality, or sexology, researcher, who placed his reputation on the line. His research earned him various labels: communist, Nazi, paedophile. Most academics are free to investigate a subject without criticism to further understanding. We don’t put Einstein or Hawking down for the work they did. Sexology is the only study that suffers attacks. Cheerleaders for attacks on Kinsey include Judith Reissman who founded the anti-Kinsey movement, and Laura Schlessinger who refers to Kinsey as a ‘scientific and moral fraud’ and a ‘certifiable sexual psychopath’. Rookiee: many self-righteous bitches out there claiming the moral high ground. The Kinsey institute is now a vault with no research underway. No sexology research is done in the US anyway. You have to go to Italy to discover sexology academics engaged in research. (06:21 to 13:16)

OSN: another sexologist was John Money who investigated trans-sexuality. He disproved his own theory, namely, you could raise any boy as a girl, and any girl as a boy. Rookiee: how was the theory disproved? OSN: during a failed circumcision, a young boy’s penis was chopped off. This boy was then raised as a girl. He underwent surgery to install functioning body parts. She became a he again. Importantly, he still felt as if he were a boy, suggesting that a sense of gender and physical characters are predetermined within the brain. (13:17 to 16:16)

Rookiee: mental illness is a very subjective term. OSN: prisons have become de facto mental hospitals. Michel Foucault, a French historian, observed that people who did not fit in were deemed mentally ill. Although they had done nothing wrong, they nevertheless were thrown into mental hospitals and jails. Rookiee: I have a big bone to pick with psychologists. Their field seems so flawed. OSN: it is ironic that the US and Israel do not read their own holy books. There is no reference within them to incarceration. Christians and Jews claim their morality is based on the bible, but nothing could be further from the truth. (16:17 to 18:53)

Rookiee: Duncan, from Idaho, ended up torturing and killing a boy and taking a girl hostage. On his blog, you witness his mental degradation. At 16years old, he tried to have sex with someone a few years younger. He was arrested, and jailed for many years. Prison taught him to be manipulative to survive. His blog noted aspects of the sex offender register that ruined his life once he was placed back in society. Restrictions made it impossible to adapt. OSN: societal exclusion and oppression increases the risk of further offences. (18:54 to 22:59)

OSN: hard to think of a heterosexual person being banned from marriage, banned from masturbating, banned from owning a sex doll, or banned from associating with other heterosexuals. Rather than providing rehabilitation and outlets for the offender, child advocates put all their energy into ostracising and torturing the offender. Every last one of them, with religion on their side, determined to create hell on earth for offenders, to expunge their own guilt about sex. Rookiee: it has nothing to do with child protection and rights. OSN: no. If you ask them: what would you do about child slave labour in India? Nothing. They would continue to buy Nike products. Not a problem. (22:59 to 26:02)

Rookiee: in a sociology class about ten years ago, a teacher told me marriage is no longer a covenant, it is a contract. A covenant cannot be broken, even if the worst abuse is happening. It is harder than stone. A contract however, allows marriage to be broken if one party breaks his contract. High divorce rates evidence a decline in the institution of marriage. OSN: to get around the religious problem, catholics use the word annulment rather than divorce. Rookiee: to have access to a mechanism to break the contract is a positive in society. OSN: yes, absolutely. (33:31 to 37:17)

Rookiee: consider the situation where someone has power over the other. For example, someone who does not have full citizen status, and someone who does. OSN: if the former is say, a 7yo. As an aside, Mohammed married a 6yo, and Mary was 9yo when Jesus was born, although there is no proof of this, the story has been handed down through the ages. Rookiee: adults have equal rights to break the marriage contract should they choose to. OSN: a child in Australia can divorce his or her parents. Rookiee: they can too here in the US, plus emancipation rights allowing a child to elect to become a full adult during his mid-teens, so long as his parents or guardian authorise it. OSN: no-one raises the consent issue pertaining to mentally challenged elderly people. Society does not place the same set of restrictions on the elderly and infirm as it places on the young. (37:18 to 44:05)

OSN: an adult unable to function, for whatever reason, tends to be allocated a carer by society. In Australia, an advocate can sign documents, etc. on behalf of such an adult. Prostitution is legal, so a prostitute can be hired to provide sexual relief for the adult, once the carer signs the forms. Rookiee: there was a time when governments sanctioned the pederast to mentor boys. This was with the knowledge and approval of the boy’s parents who gave permission to the pederast to take the boy under his wing. The boy had no say in the arrangement. Rookiee: I can’t say I agree with that. I would not be comfortable assuming responsibility for someone who didn’t want to be with me. Do you think there should be licensed pederasts in today’s society? OSN: no. We require legislation that is fit-for-purpose today. Women back then could not consent. Even today, some faiths like Baptists, advocate a woman be under her father’s control till she married, and under her husband’s control thereafter. Men therefore control her whole life. In reality, it is impossible to live by the bible, because it contains so many contradictions. (44:06 to 51:47)

Rookiee: I talked recently to an advocate of puerism: the idyllic child love relationship. To achieve this idyll, he suggested rights be allocated to individuals irrespective of age. OSN: quantitative difference, not qualitative. A child has a range of disabilities compared with an adult. Those disabilities slowly dissipate over time. For elderly people, disabilities slowly accumulate over time. Rights come with increased responsibility. If you do not have responsibility, you forfeit your rights. Rookiee: what is your ideal ethos of the relationship between an adult and an adolescent? How would such a dynamic work in a perfect world? OSN: biologically human beings are not designed to live in nuclear families. We should be living in communities. Tribal societies encourage young children to be free range and independent. For example, the aboriginal walkabout is where a youngster survives in the wild on his own for a protracted period. Rookiee: I cannot imagine such freedoms and life tests for similar-age young people in the US. (51:48 to 59:16)

OSN: our society is sick. It is akin to using chemotherapy to combat cancer, by poisoning the body to treat the disease. Society discourages intergenerational interaction so much, you cannot cuddle a child nor can you take a photo of a child in a bath, without repercussions. Legislation is suffocating society. The mistake of communism is the same as the mistake of capitalism. Both ignore science and become religions. Ask any anarchist and he will say, communism is a religion with Karl Marx as its avatar, and Friedrich Engels as its prophet. Communism was so perfect it provided a utopia for children. In reality, the state has never been able to look after its children in any way, shape or form. The most prolific abuser of children in the west is the state. The fault is not necessarily the system itself, but the administrators of that system. (59:17 to 01:02:33)

OSN: one group of communists worth considering is the Spartacist League. They fell victim to the 9/11 terrorist attack; their offices were in the World Trade Centre. They support decriminalisation of victimless crimes like drugs, wearing crash helmets, etc., the abolition of age of consent laws, plus they maintain governments have no place in the bedroom. They support the original Stonewall declaration for gay people which included rights for gay men to love boys. I don’t agree with all their views, but I do admire them for their very public stance, and for printing and distributing their opinions. People should be aware that non-paedophile groups exist out there that support doing away with age of consent legislation. Parents should be aware of the risks associated with a phobic society. For example: allowing their own children to run around naked, and upsetting a mortified bigot neighbour who then reports child abuse event to the police. (01:02:34 to 01:07:38)