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Pedologues Episode #25
Episode #25 of Pedologues.
Pedologues is a podcast focused on issues surrounding inter-generational relationships, pedophilia, child sexuality, culture, society's views on these issues, law, and everyday life.
The first three episodes were cohosted by Rookiee and Abraxas. Episode four was formatted as an interview with Rebellee of the website boylover(dot)net. Subsequent episodes have been recorded via online Skype conversations and pieced together in post-production.
After 20 episodes, Rookiee announced the termination of the series, citing time constraints, financial burdens, and other personal reasons, and removed all episodes from the Pedologues homepage. Here we present an archive of all episodes released.
Pedologues Episode 25 (30 July 2006) Rookiee, Jeremy, Bastion, and Amadeus (SQR DJ) summary:
Waffle: (03:57 to 05:04)
US world policing.
Rookiee: if you were to make one statement, what would it be? Amadeus: statement to anyone on the internet, paedophile or pro-paedophile supporter such as myself, find a new hobby. Law enforcement is getting tenacious with their investigations and prosecutions. If you are going to do this stuff, do not trust anyone. Any website that allows downloading of illegal pornography is likely being run by the law. Rookiee: what if it is run abroad? Amadeus: US law enforcement is the world’s police department. I have this sampler that Jeremy did called ‘debauchery unleashed brought to you by the patriot act, pushing its fucked-up morality on the entire world’. Rookiee: chatting to Old Saint Nick in episode 21, he said the World Health Organisation proposes an international age of consent of 25. (05:05 to 07:32)
LEA moral support.
Amadeus: you can have a million pictures of speedo-clad boys on your computer, but if just one is remotely questionable age-wise, all of them become level-three pornography. You end up having one million counts of possession. Rookiee: how can law enforcement say this guy had one million illegal photos in his possession, when he only had one illegal photo? Amadeus: law enforcement need social morals rooting for them, otherwise they have no leg to stand on. I envisage the internet either being shut down or being controlled by law enforcement in the future. When I was younger I could use my local library freely. These days, library policy restricts the length of time you sit there reading a book. You are forced to sign it out and take it home to read. Rookiee: the phrase our policy implies overriding an individual’s liberty. Amadeus: exactly. (07:33 to 12:33)
Podcasts censored.
Rookiee: you know what happened when I had my podcast indexed in five or six different indices, my index got taken down because it contained ‘inappropriate content’. An ex-DJ guy from MTV with his own podcast came on air and said my topic is not a matter of free speech. Another podcast he had an issue with was a white supremacist one, about hatred and intolerance. Mine was about acceptance and tolerance. I was taken down by the host because it was bad for profits. Another podcast, ‘pushing back’, discusses the dangers of pornography such as a 17yo jacking off to porn. Their morality is not reality. (12:34 to 15:59)
Free speech.
Rookiee: on the topic of NAMBLA, you don’t like them very much do you? Amadeus: you mean No Ass Must Be Left Alone. I don’t have a problem with them. I give them a bunch of shit, and Jeffrey tells me they are one of our biggest supporters. You want to fuck little kids? That is not we are all about. If I say what I want to say, it will cause hard feelings among people, because when you actually use free speech, it makes them uncomfortable. I don’t want to quit sure quality radio, but it just doesn’t fit into my life right now. Rookiee: but this doesn’t have anything to do with SQR, does it? Jeffrey has been on my podcast twice, so now is your chance to speak. (16:00 to 18:43)
SQR operation compromised?
Amadeus: I am not putting Jeffrey down as a person. I have great respect for what he is trying to do, but when you embark on such a venture as SQR, everything has to be perfect. You do not claim to your audience that no illegal activity is happening, when in reality you have child molesters involved in the operation. You are asking for trouble. Rookiee: are you talking about Boy Story? Amadeus: yes I am. Rookiee: I personally don’t see that Boy Story has done anything wrong because he hasn’t been convicted of child molestation. Amadeus: guilty or not, he is on the registry in the state of California. Rookiee: Boy Story has had a bunch of issues in his life. Society makes it is hard for someone with a criminal record to succeed in what remains of their life. Amadeus: there are always three sides to every story. Rookiee: true, left, right and what actually happened. Amadeus: I am not here to judge him. I will support him, but not if it hinders my lifestyle. (18:44 to 26:06)
Criminal record stigmatises.
Rookiee: Another friend of mine intended to become involved with a youth freedom organisation, enabling youth to make their own choices in life. They wouldn’t accept him due to his criminal record. Problem arises when the most passionate people want to be involved in this area. Such people have either been wrongly accused, or have gone through hell, and rightly so, but have learned from it. In my opinion, there is no way that one can present a squeaky clean image in the cause we are fighting for. (26:07 to 26:56)
SQR fake arrest.
Amadeus: one evening SQR Appy DJ’d before my DJ slot. I messaged him and said I wanted to fool around with the audience. Tell them I called you to say the police are at the door and there is a lot of hollering going on, in other words a parody. He played the part really well saying Amadeus will be late and doesn’t know whether he will be on the show or not. The police are at his door. I was in the chat room listening to Appy, and listeners began to flame me like if this was a joke, it was not funny. When they really do knock on your door, you won’t think it so funny. Rookiee: in my April fool podcast, I advised listeners to wipe their hard drives of podcast content in case the FBI discovered who was listening and then proceeding to charge them with an offence. The point of the fool was to draw their attention to the direction society seems to be headed. (26:57 to 29:35)
Outlawing erotic literature.
Amadeus: I have a friend who writes for Nifty.org (discussed in episode 12). He actually develops story lines so I was keen to read his work, such as Eddie and the Axeman, featuring him and me as the protagonists. In the four years we have known each other they have passed laws where I live to outlaw stories that feature adult-minor eroticism. Rookiee: isn’t that unconstitutional? Amadeus: the law was added through on an unrelated education bill. (29:36 to 33:02)
Rookiee’s mailbag. (33:03 to 39:18)
Waffle: (39:19 to 45:18)
Indecency fines.
Bastion: freedom of speech in movies and on tv. The Federal Communications Commission is changing its indecency fines. Its maximum used to be $32,000; now it is $325,000 per occurrence. Rookiee: what kind of occurrence would this be? Bastion: they don’t define things like that. It’s whatever they deem to be indecent. For example, the ‘without a trace’ show had an episode which caused CBS to be fined $7m, because every single affiliate was fined. There was supposed to be a teen orgy on the show, but there was nothing. They all had their clothes on and were just kissing each other. (45:19 to 47:19)
MPAA.
Fine levied on New Line Cinema by the Movie Picture Association of America on the Texas chainsaw massacre trailer, because viewers are restricted to watching it between 10pm and 4am. It is very difficult to track down who is actually involved in the MPAA. The trailer got a green band, but the MPAA issued new instructions to New Line that it couldn’t be shown before anything that wasn’t rated R. New Line responded by asking whether it could be shown online. MPAA said sure, but only between 10pm to 4am. Rookiee recaps discussion around podshow topic in Pedologues episode 8. As soon as you hand over the rights to your podcast to a third party, you open yourself up to the morality police such as MPAA who can take you out very easily. How do MPAA handle youtube. A disclaimer says ‘no copyrighted material’. Yeah, right. What is fair use of copyrighted material on youtube? (47:20 to 57:58)
Infringing upon morality.
Rookiee: if no-one cares about copyrighted material on youtube, why do people object to me discussing paedophilia on my podcasts, claiming that I am infringing on people’s rights? Amadeus: freedom of speech is only freedom of speech so long as it doesn’t infringe on someone else’s freedoms. Rookiee: but it is not. Amadeus: they feel it is infringing upon their morality. (57:59 to 58:49)
Waffle: (58:50 to 01:08:13)
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Episode #25 of Pedologues.
Pedologues is a podcast focused on issues surrounding inter-generational relationships, pedophilia, child sexuality, culture, society's views on these issues, law, and everyday life.
The first three episodes were cohosted by Rookiee and Abraxas. Episode four was formatted as an interview with Rebellee of the website boylover(dot)net. Subsequent episodes have been recorded via online Skype conversations and pieced together in post-production.
After 20 episodes, Rookiee announced the termination of the series, citing time constraints, financial burdens, and other personal reasons, and removed all episodes from the Pedologues homepage. Here we present an archive of all episodes released.
Pedologues Episode 25 (30 July 2006) Rookiee, Jeremy, Bastion, and Amadeus (SQR DJ) summary:
Waffle: (03:57 to 05:04)
US world policing.
Rookiee: if you were to make one statement, what would it be? Amadeus: statement to anyone on the internet, paedophile or pro-paedophile supporter such as myself, find a new hobby. Law enforcement is getting tenacious with their investigations and prosecutions. If you are going to do this stuff, do not trust anyone. Any website that allows downloading of illegal pornography is likely being run by the law. Rookiee: what if it is run abroad? Amadeus: US law enforcement is the world’s police department. I have this sampler that Jeremy did called ‘debauchery unleashed brought to you by the patriot act, pushing its fucked-up morality on the entire world’. Rookiee: chatting to Old Saint Nick in episode 21, he said the World Health Organisation proposes an international age of consent of 25. (05:05 to 07:32)
LEA moral support.
Amadeus: you can have a million pictures of speedo-clad boys on your computer, but if just one is remotely questionable age-wise, all of them become level-three pornography. You end up having one million counts of possession. Rookiee: how can law enforcement say this guy had one million illegal photos in his possession, when he only had one illegal photo? Amadeus: law enforcement need social morals rooting for them, otherwise they have no leg to stand on. I envisage the internet either being shut down or being controlled by law enforcement in the future. When I was younger I could use my local library freely. These days, library policy restricts the length of time you sit there reading a book. You are forced to sign it out and take it home to read. Rookiee: the phrase our policy implies overriding an individual’s liberty. Amadeus: exactly. (07:33 to 12:33)
Podcasts censored.
Rookiee: you know what happened when I had my podcast indexed in five or six different indices, my index got taken down because it contained ‘inappropriate content’. An ex-DJ guy from MTV with his own podcast came on air and said my topic is not a matter of free speech. Another podcast he had an issue with was a white supremacist one, about hatred and intolerance. Mine was about acceptance and tolerance. I was taken down by the host because it was bad for profits. Another podcast, ‘pushing back’, discusses the dangers of pornography such as a 17yo jacking off to porn. Their morality is not reality. (12:34 to 15:59)
Free speech.
Rookiee: on the topic of NAMBLA, you don’t like them very much do you? Amadeus: you mean No Ass Must Be Left Alone. I don’t have a problem with them. I give them a bunch of shit, and Jeffrey tells me they are one of our biggest supporters. You want to fuck little kids? That is not we are all about. If I say what I want to say, it will cause hard feelings among people, because when you actually use free speech, it makes them uncomfortable. I don’t want to quit sure quality radio, but it just doesn’t fit into my life right now. Rookiee: but this doesn’t have anything to do with SQR, does it? Jeffrey has been on my podcast twice, so now is your chance to speak. (16:00 to 18:43)
SQR operation compromised?
Amadeus: I am not putting Jeffrey down as a person. I have great respect for what he is trying to do, but when you embark on such a venture as SQR, everything has to be perfect. You do not claim to your audience that no illegal activity is happening, when in reality you have child molesters involved in the operation. You are asking for trouble. Rookiee: are you talking about Boy Story? Amadeus: yes I am. Rookiee: I personally don’t see that Boy Story has done anything wrong because he hasn’t been convicted of child molestation. Amadeus: guilty or not, he is on the registry in the state of California. Rookiee: Boy Story has had a bunch of issues in his life. Society makes it is hard for someone with a criminal record to succeed in what remains of their life. Amadeus: there are always three sides to every story. Rookiee: true, left, right and what actually happened. Amadeus: I am not here to judge him. I will support him, but not if it hinders my lifestyle. (18:44 to 26:06)
Criminal record stigmatises.
Rookiee: Another friend of mine intended to become involved with a youth freedom organisation, enabling youth to make their own choices in life. They wouldn’t accept him due to his criminal record. Problem arises when the most passionate people want to be involved in this area. Such people have either been wrongly accused, or have gone through hell, and rightly so, but have learned from it. In my opinion, there is no way that one can present a squeaky clean image in the cause we are fighting for. (26:07 to 26:56)
SQR fake arrest.
Amadeus: one evening SQR Appy DJ’d before my DJ slot. I messaged him and said I wanted to fool around with the audience. Tell them I called you to say the police are at the door and there is a lot of hollering going on, in other words a parody. He played the part really well saying Amadeus will be late and doesn’t know whether he will be on the show or not. The police are at his door. I was in the chat room listening to Appy, and listeners began to flame me like if this was a joke, it was not funny. When they really do knock on your door, you won’t think it so funny. Rookiee: in my April fool podcast, I advised listeners to wipe their hard drives of podcast content in case the FBI discovered who was listening and then proceeding to charge them with an offence. The point of the fool was to draw their attention to the direction society seems to be headed. (26:57 to 29:35)
Outlawing erotic literature.
Amadeus: I have a friend who writes for Nifty.org (discussed in episode 12). He actually develops story lines so I was keen to read his work, such as Eddie and the Axeman, featuring him and me as the protagonists. In the four years we have known each other they have passed laws where I live to outlaw stories that feature adult-minor eroticism. Rookiee: isn’t that unconstitutional? Amadeus: the law was added through on an unrelated education bill. (29:36 to 33:02)
Rookiee’s mailbag. (33:03 to 39:18)
Waffle: (39:19 to 45:18)
Indecency fines.
Bastion: freedom of speech in movies and on tv. The Federal Communications Commission is changing its indecency fines. Its maximum used to be $32,000; now it is $325,000 per occurrence. Rookiee: what kind of occurrence would this be? Bastion: they don’t define things like that. It’s whatever they deem to be indecent. For example, the ‘without a trace’ show had an episode which caused CBS to be fined $7m, because every single affiliate was fined. There was supposed to be a teen orgy on the show, but there was nothing. They all had their clothes on and were just kissing each other. (45:19 to 47:19)
MPAA.
Fine levied on New Line Cinema by the Movie Picture Association of America on the Texas chainsaw massacre trailer, because viewers are restricted to watching it between 10pm and 4am. It is very difficult to track down who is actually involved in the MPAA. The trailer got a green band, but the MPAA issued new instructions to New Line that it couldn’t be shown before anything that wasn’t rated R. New Line responded by asking whether it could be shown online. MPAA said sure, but only between 10pm to 4am. Rookiee recaps discussion around podshow topic in Pedologues episode 8. As soon as you hand over the rights to your podcast to a third party, you open yourself up to the morality police such as MPAA who can take you out very easily. How do MPAA handle youtube. A disclaimer says ‘no copyrighted material’. Yeah, right. What is fair use of copyrighted material on youtube? (47:20 to 57:58)
Infringing upon morality.
Rookiee: if no-one cares about copyrighted material on youtube, why do people object to me discussing paedophilia on my podcasts, claiming that I am infringing on people’s rights? Amadeus: freedom of speech is only freedom of speech so long as it doesn’t infringe on someone else’s freedoms. Rookiee: but it is not. Amadeus: they feel it is infringing upon their morality. (57:59 to 58:49)
Waffle: (58:50 to 01:08:13)