Rookiee: what have you been doing since ep 3? Abraxas: I haven’t had a boyfriend in twenty-five years or so; a very boring life. Rookiee: when you say boyfriends, you mean any age, right? Abraxas: yes, ‘boy’ in the literal sense. A mutual loving relationship like the one I had where we were very happy together. Unfortunately, other people were not so happy. Rookiee: so you did your time, and in some ways, you are still doing your time. Abraxas: yes, due to the pariah laws in this country. (14:11 to 15:26)

Abraxas: A link to a really good article was sent to me. It is on counterpunch.org and called ‘sexual fascism in progressive America’. The author goes by the pseudonym Pariah. It discusses how fascist states need to have a subculture to create societal pariahs, a despised subgroup that makes society feel better about itself, one to fear and to hate, whose very existence demands totalitarian state apparatus of surveillance and control applied to it. (15:27 to 17:04)

Fred Berlin from John Hopkins University sex disorders clinic, cites 0.1% of all sex offences in the US involve kidnap, rape, torture and murder. Less than 10% of all sex offenders re-offend, but recidivism is given as an excuse to impose draconian measures upon release. Around thirty children annually are abducted, raped and murdered by strangers, but three thousand are murdered in the family home by parents or family members. The media make it seem as if stranger abduction events happen all the time, but coverage of child murders in the home is minimal. Facts do not matter when hysteria prevails, and the media can make money from selling stories that reinforce societal fears. (17:05 to 18:46)

Abraxas: it’s about ratings. For example, NBC’s Dateline show ‘to catch a predator’, recently did a piece on May K Letourneau and her husband Vili. This was a fairly balanced program, considering the crap Dateline usually broadcasts. I thought how schizophrenic of Dateline to treat the topic in such polarised ways across its shows. (18:47 to 19:48)

Abraxas: there was a case of a 21yo who had arranged to meet a supposed 15yo. Why should that even be a problem? I don’t understand that. He was obviously gay, and the teen was obviously not pre-pubescent. I know what the ages of consent are in this country and they are ridiculously high. Rookiee: in many other countries around the world, the 15yo would be an adult. (19:49 to 21:05)

Rookiee: talking to Dylan Thomas from Boy Chat and SQR. We discussed a few ideas, such as: devising one sets of rules defining adulthood and childhood and fully-functioning citizenship requirements within a given society. In an agrarian society, a child entering puberty is expected to work on the land with adults. In an industrial society, adult responsibilities come later, once a certain education level is reached. In this information age, technological aptitude is reducing the age at which a child acquires adult capabilities. Justin Berry, the entrepreneurial 13yo pornographer, is a case in point. Do you think this phenomenon will be a catalyst for change? Abraxas: I see a modern world dominated by moralist anti-sex diktats promoting bigotry and fear, all courtesy of a US axis of evil burrowing its way into the affairs of foreign countries and cultures, where it has no business to be. In my opinion, I don’t see it getting any better any time soon; I see it getting worse. (21:06 to 26:04)

Rookiee: I have nothing against marijuana use, and don’t consider it to be a moral offence to consume it. Talking to Lindsay Ashford about this topic, he called the US the evil empire. Abraxas: can’t disagree with that. Rookiee: he was in Prague for ten years, but moved on to South America. He found it better in many ways. Attitudes were far more accepting, more open, more hospitable, and less fearful. He told a story of walking down a street one evening when he saw a little girl in her home. They began to make faces at each other. The parents saw what was happening, and before he knew it, he had been invited into their home for a meal and wine. If this scenario played out in the US, someone would have called the police, and the media would have had a ball reporting on it. (26:05 to 28:36)

Abraxas: not only is the US government influencing other governments, country borders are becoming all American. Mexican border towns are becoming victims to this bleeding-over process where American media, American money and American politics infect foreign soils. Mexican society is inexorably becoming an extension of American society. (28:37 to 29:45)

Rookiee: I talked to Norbert de Jonge from PNVD last night. I wanted to know what was going on, following their discussions within Pedologue eps 22 and 22.5. Norbert wanted to dispel several myths. First, Ad van den Berg did not go into hiding. He was forced out of his home by vigilantes, egged on by the media. Second, their PNVD party is not a paedophile party. The have stated what they are on their website and in eps 22 and 23. The situation with PNVD continues to be fluid and transitional. Abraxas: in a democratic society, political parties must be given a voice no matter how outrageous. I have been following this topic on boy lover and girl lover boards. One thing that really irritates me is people who jump on them and demean them, or comment that it is a ‘no hope’ party. Seems to me we have a bucket full of negativity courtesy of the outside world; why should we also have to put up with hate from our own community. It really amazes me that this happens. It makes me question whether such people are genuine child lovers, or government agency trolls trying to destroy us. Let us try to get behind PNVD and support them. One comment I read on the boards was from someone who compared PNVD to NAMBLA. Such a comment could only have come from law enforcement; no child lover would have made it. (30:52 to 38:59)

Rookiee: do you think the boards are being splintered by law enforcement. Abraxas: yes, undoubtedly. Not just that, but resistance from self-righteous paedophiles who are dead against contact of any sort with a child. I am of the opinion that boards are useless as far as getting anything done is concerned. Most of those complaining don’t do a damn thing. I joined a board that had members that were decided on changing the world. Unfortunately I got kicked off that board, because of my criminal record. Rookiee: it is just not possible to create a child love community without child lover members who have fallen fowl of the law at some point in their life. (39:00 to 44:42)

Abraxas: I can never figure out how someone can be convicted for propositioning a minor, when no minor involved. In reality, you are propositioning an adult who is pretending to be one. In any other crime, it would be entrapment and thrown out of court. Amazing what law enforcement get away with regarding our sexual minority group. Rookiee: no crime has been committed. We are talking about the law and commenting on it, not advocating illegal activity. (44:43 to 47:45)

Abraxas: more from Pariah in CounterPunch. Estimates of more than thirty-five thousand children and adolescents convicted of sex offences and being required to register. But children are said to be asexual and have no interest in sex whatsoever. Rookiee: I am in favour of the state charging a minor as an adult. If they are considered to be adults, then the age of consent would need to be lowered accordingly. Abraxas: you would think so, however, you are dealing with people who are illogical and have no common sense. Rookiee: the same people would punish us just for having a paedosexuality. (47:46 to 49:56)

Rookiee: are you familiar with Stacey Harp from Christian Active Media? She attacked the boy love blog I administer called ‘Pedastria, the boy love revival’. Stacey Harp says ‘the fact this blog exists is equivalent to when a child comes to its mother and says they are being molester, then the mother doesn’t do anything about it’. Abraxas: where do they get these analogies from? Rookiee: she riled her fan-base up and got them to pound on the blog. Suddenly the blog was gone. Someone had erased it. It was down for a while, but it is now back up with twenty-five bloggers, so we are louder than before. I am now under attack from vigilantes and hackers here. I have reviewed Google’s terms of service, and I see that I am protected from such attacks. Abraxas: such people feel they are immune from criticism and that society is on their side because tacit approval is given to behave illegally. Rookiee: I am well aware of high profile I have become. I found an FBI document that states Pedologues is a high profile paedophile website, whatever that means. They are shadow-criminalising me when I have done absolutely nothing wrong. In doing these podcasts, I have actually learnt a lot about myself. (49:57 to 55:44)

In ep 20, talking with Old Saint Nick from IPCE, he said it’s not just a right that children should have sex, it is an actual physical biological need. It is society that has the problem, not us. Abraxas: what concerns me is those people who write laws that incriminate 9 year old kids and turn them into sex offenders, were doubtless guilty of the very same ‘offence’ at the very same age. All of us need to recognize who we are and what we are. There are very few child lovers out there who have not suffered to some degree in their lives because of what they are. (55:45 to 01:03:31)