Chelsea: I am 13yo, and this is my mom. Mom: hi. Rookiee: I am stunned. Last night I was introduced to two people who apparently know a paedophile, and don’t give a shit. (01:49 to 03:21)

Rookiee: how did you meet James? Mom: in the street. I realised he was all over the place and I thought I could improve his world. I got him better housing. At that time, I knew his background, and knew he had done penance to society. I also knew the young girl concerned and her mom from way back. Rookiee: you were aware he was low. Mom: yes, he was in a bad place. I knew he deserved way better. I reached out and he accepted my assistance. Rookiee: you knew his character? Mom: yes. Rookiee: for our listeners, James featured on episode 24 with John. (03:22 to 06:43)

Rookiee: Chelsea, how do you get on with James; you seem to like him? Chelsea: he’s fun. We play card games. Rookiee: you know about him, and you’re cool with it? Chelsea: yes. Rookiee: some people would say he’s taking advantage of you, grooming you and will turn you into one of his slaves. You have two eyes and a brain, what would you say to them? Chelsea: I think it is retarded to judge a person without even knowing them. Just because someone thinks differently doesn’t mean they are weird. Rookiee: ‘thinks differently’? Chelsea: well he is a paedophile. Rookiee: what does a paedophile think? Chelsea: as I know it, he likes much younger girls. Rookiee: what’s different about him and a person who likes someone your mom’s age? Chelsea: well he cares about young girls, and wouldn’t want for them to be hurt. Mom: Chelsea, what makes a paedophile bad? Chelsea: someone who hurt others. A good paedophile is one that cares. Mom: there is good and bad in all people. I prefer the term predator paedophile; they don’t care about a child’s welfare, feelings or emotions. I understand all children are sexual to some level. Some people will exploit that, but that is not the norm. (06:44 to 10:19)

Mom: I wish all parents were true paedophiles. This world would be better if children were treated with respect, listened to, and given quality time. Rookiee: do you mean parents that are sexually attracted to kids. Mom: I am talking about showing care and interest. Chelsea: the ‘James’ kind of paedophile. Mom: if a mother is truly interested, she will dote on and spend time with her kids. If not, children will be treated like puppets. (10:20 to 11:56)

Rookiee: why do people hate paedophilia? Why don’t they want them anywhere near their kids? Mom: media hysteria. Parents are told not to let a child be unaccompanied until they are 18. ‘How dare you let your child travel on a bus on its own, with all those creeps and problems out there.’ Rookiee: is the fear warranted? Mom: it’s no more risky than a woman going on a date with a man. Education is power. With mine, there is nothing we don’t talk about. The topic of paedophilia is just one more item on the list. (11:57 to 15:09)

Rookiee: you knew about paedophilia before James came along? Mom: yes, both good and bad. Rookiee: were you abused as a youngster? Mom: yes. Rookiee: did you have a consensual relationship? Mom: yes. There were two different people. I got no education from my mother; my home life was dysfunctional. I was sexualised by the bad experience and therefore receptive to the second, especially as it was someone who cared, plus I looked up to him. Rookiee: he allowed you free will? Mom: yes. By then, I was ready, and I knew he would never hurt me. I still have contact with him. Rookiee: people may say: ‘but this is why you allow your child to be put in harm’s way.’ Mom: as our house is open for communication, she would talk to me. We are a team. Rookiee: I have a 12yo friend, Aqua, who is gay and has been on Pedologues several times. His mom treats him as you treat Chelsea. Both of you are open when talking about yourself and your experiences. Aqua has been online for a number of years already, and is technically and socially savvy. If some creep makes advances online, he is sufficiently empowered to say ‘get lost’. (15:10 to 20:52)

Chelsea: Mom said the only reason James comes to my house to play cards and stuff, was because he was a paedophile. One time, I danced a little, fixed my hair up, and put a shorter shirt on, so I learnt how to use my powers over him. Mom: it was an absolutely priceless moment. Ironically, she was unaware of the effect she was having. Rookiee: it’s probably innate when women act like that in front of a man. Mom: what about you? Rookiee: I really don’t know. Walking down a street, I am more intent looking out for boys, I have to admit. Maybe it is because boys have more scope to act naturally, whereas girls are a little less genuine. (20:53 to 25:25)

Mom: parents put girls on a pedestal by saying: ‘Aren’t they beautiful/sexy?’ Trophy girls are urged to model skimpy bikinis, but, in the same breath they say: ‘don’t you dare look’. The media is guilty of prostituting photos of girls dressed-up and posing as models, turning them into adults before time. Rookiee: boy photos are of boys just being themselves. Mom: for girls, the latest fad is hip-hugger jeans. The front ... Wow! No room for a zipper, and don’t dare look behind else you will realise Plumber’s Butt has become popular. Rookiee: isn’t it better for people to be more open and exhibitionistic? Go to Africa and virtually nothing is worn. (25:26 to 29:06)

Mom: a boy should have sufficient sex education before considering marriage. What about a girl? My dad said: ‘there are two types of girl in this world: the ones you marry, and the ones you have fun with. Which do you want to be?’ By the time she is twenty she should still be a virgin. Rookiee: chastity trumps all. Society doesn’t allow a girl to control her own destiny. It either over-protects them or exploits them. (29:07 to 30:59)

Mom: allowing children to speak their minds is important. I did this, but my family objected. They felt the child was talking back. The difference is a tough one for a parent to navigate. Rookiee: it is ironic to see parents managing children as objects with no free will. Mom: mothers may as well say: ‘I have a right to raise my child my way, after all, I was the one who spread my legs, so she is mine.’ Rookiee: what is the difference between talking back and talking to? Mom: talking back is: ‘no, I am not going to do that!’ in response to ‘I want you to do that right now.’ In this scenario, negativity is promoted at the expense of respect. (31:00 to 33:59)

Rookiee: what do you think of Mom? Chelsea: she is crazy. She is open, and that is cool. Rookiee: would she stop some guy taking advantage of you? Chelsea: of course. She wouldn’t just let it happen. Rookiee: if James took advantage, she would step up and say get the fuck away from my kid. Chelsea: yes. Mom: have I put you at risk by bringing James into our world? Chelsea: you didn’t know everything about him when you first met him, but you knew he was safe and nothing untoward would happen. Mom: does James ever creep you out? Be honest: Chelsea: yes, but it is only in joking manner. I know it is not serious. (34:00 to 36:31)

Rookiee: there is a girl lover called Lindsay Ashford, who is ‘out’. When he encounters a girl, he makes funny faces at them. The girl just loves it. James, is that common among girl lovers? James: in my case, I make funny faces because I run out of things to say. Rookiee: what is your general age of attraction? James: 8 to 10. Rookiee: Appy from SQR mentioned he was into boys before the age of puberty. He said teens were like a different species. James: as soon as they get bumps, they are too scary to deal with. When I first met Chelsea, she was 11 and I thought she was 14. (36:32 to 41:51)

Rookiee: let’s go completely politically incorrect and talk sex. What do you know about sex Chelsea? Chelsea: ‘when a mummy and a daddy really love each other ...’ Mom: ‘there’s a stork’. Rookiee: Chelsea, are you into older guys? Chelsea: I like guys my age. Rookiee: would you consider yourself straight? Chelsea: yes. Rookiee: are you attracted to James? Chelsea: no. Rookiee: what do you see James as? Chelsea: he is like a neighbour. Rookiee: so you have no desire for a relationship with him. James: do you have any friends that are into older gentlemen, and might find me cute? Chelsea: I do know someone called Ella who is 16yo. James: that’s scary. (45:21 to 50:54)

Rookiee: the AOC will be raised to 16yo in Canada (has been 14 for a century or so). At almost 14, how do you feel about that? Chelsea: If I was into all that stuff, I would be rather disappointed. I don’t care tbh. Rookiee: are you capable of making up your own mind about having sex with someone. Chelsea: yes, oc. If I wanted to, I would just do it. Rookiee: do you understand the ramifications, like STIs? Chelsea: yes. Rookiee: do you feel prepared? Chelsea: no, I am not. I am just not into it. Rookiee: what if people claim you don’t have a mind of your own? Chelsea: well screw them! I have this big thing on my neck called a head, so I can think for myself. Mom: that is beautiful. I know 13yo kids with no history of abuse, no coercion, no grooming, but are totally interested in sex. Such kids would say: ‘I am going to do with my body what I want to’. Rookiee: will raising the consent age protect Chelsea more? Mom: no. Rookiee: will it make kids dumber as a result? Mom: no, it will have the opposite effect. It’s going to push the rebel button. (50:55 to 56:51)