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Pedologues Episode #29
Episode #29 of Pedologues.
Pedologues is a podcast focused on issues surrounding inter-generational relationships, pedophilia, child sexuality, culture, society's views on these issues, law, and everyday life.
The first three episodes were cohosted by Rookiee and Abraxas. Episode four was formatted as an interview with Rebellee of the website boylover(dot)net. Subsequent episodes have been recorded via online Skype conversations and pieced together in post-production.
After 20 episodes, Rookiee announced the termination of the series, citing time constraints, financial burdens, and other personal reasons, and removed all episodes from the Pedologues homepage. Here we present an archive of all episodes released.
Pedologues Episode 29 (15 September 2006) Rookiee, Oh Hell Yeah, and Craig summary:
Gene therapy.
Rookiee: what you got to say? Oh Hell Yeah: SQR discussion about gene therapy the other night, and whether it should be used to remove specific defects before a child is born. All very well but people don’t think about potential Jurassic Park consequences. Diversity originates from genetic mutation. So, where does one draw the line? Rookiee: what if paedophiles get classified as genetically defective? Oh Hell Yeah: exactly! Rookiee: what if mature women can no longer conceive due to a fucked-up environment, and only pubescent can? If paedophiles had previously been removed from the gene-pool, and straights couldn’t get it up, then humanity would be completely screwed. (00:56 to 04:23)
Eradicate undesirables.
Craig: this genetic manipulation could go full Hitlerian where a dictator decrees: ‘dispose of all undesirables genetically. Oh Hell Yeah: they do that now by saying we are the undesirables and should be exterminated. I recall an episode of ‘Outer Limits’ where pubescent kids and younger were the only ones to survive a fertility-neutering toxin and where society decided to direct the kids to breed. You have no idea how much I would like this to happen. I would take this predicament and push it right into society’s face. Rookiee: there are good biological reasons why we are this way. Look how kids are treated in today’s society. They are starved of love and affection. Oh Hell Yeah: people prefer to be top dog. White man first slaughtered Red Indians for being inferior, then Blacks were inferior, then women were inferior, then homosexuals were inferior, now paedophiles are inferior. Those minorities now all have equal status. Same will be true of us in the future. It’s only a matter of time. (04:24 to 11:59)
Oh Hell Yeah introduction.
Rookiee: Oh Hell Yeah, you have been in the community since when? Oh Hell Yeah: 1999. What led me here was a story I read on Nifty.org called ‘Double Trouble’. It was a beautiful story and I cried my eyes out because it made me realise who I was. I knew I was a boy lover since I was an 8yo. I also knew if I told anyone about this, I would be hung, most likely by my own family, so I hid the story until I reached 19. The story was written by Boy Chills. Things have come to a sorry pass with a lot of the boards. Not too long ago, I became aware of SQR. I have also trawled through Nifty.org for diamonds in the rough. (12:00 to 14:33)
NAMBLA
Rookiee: besides the boards and a few activist sites, there is very little else available. Oh Hell Yeah: apart from NAMBLA making a stand only to be squished, most boy lovers are scared to organise. Rookiee: NAMBLA is made out to be only about sex, but that is not the case at all. Oh Hell Yeah: their website is out of date. Rookiee relates the period of time NAMBLA were around at a time when gays divorced themselves from chicken hawk behaviour. Around 1990, when gays forged ahead with their agenda, NAMBLA was still included on gay and lesbian coalitions. Law makers pointed this out, so NAMBLA ended up being removed from these coalitions. Essentially, the gays pushed the boy lover community into obscurity. Rookiee refers to the open nature of the meetings held by NAMBLA, and the undercover FBI entrapment, as discussed in episode 16. The absence of technical nous within the NAMBLA organisation meant the internet was not exploited to further activism. Even now they just produce magazines for their members. (14:34 to 23:05)
Activism reluctance.
Oh Hell Yeah: that’s the problem I see in the boy lover community. One group may speak out, then get told by some entity: ‘No!’ This forces them to relent. We need someone with fire to be indignant when told ‘No’. That person needs to confront their accusers, and tell them they are being lazy in not finding out more about the nature of paedophilia. The accuser also needs to be taken to task for hating someone they don’t even know. Rookiee: there are just not enough people willing to do this. Laws are becoming ludicrously draconian so no-one wants to take a risk. Individuals have to be whiter than white to undertake activism. Oh Hell Yeah: I don’t condone child porn, but I can understand why people have it. If a straight man is denied a woman, one of two things will happen. He either has to be a monk, or he is going to find an avenue of release. (23:06 to 27:59)
Brass eye.
Rookiee: Chris Morris, a UK satirist created and presented a ‘Paedogeddon’ special, aired in 2001, as part of the satirical Brass Eye tv series. It tackled paedophilia and the moral panic in parts of the British media. In character Morris said: ‘if you make something a problem, it will become a problem.’ Just because something doesn’t square with society, it doesn’t mean that something is wrong. It just means society is fucked up. Oh Hell Yeah: just because you are taught something is right, and everyone around you also tells you it is right, doesn’t mean to say it makes it right. (28:00 to 29:04)
Siding with the enemy.
Oh Hell Yeah: I guarantee there are a lot of boy lovers out there who are teaming up with people like Stacy Harp, simply because it takes the spotlight off them. This is similar behaviour to that of the gay community ousting the boy lover community. (29:05 to 30:02)
Rookiee plays a clip from Paedogeddon: (30:03 to 31:29)
Inaccurate stereotyping.
Oh Hell Yeah: that brings up an interesting thing. People automatically assume that if you are a paedophile, you would want to jump on any child regardless of their age, and do it anywhere. Rookiee: it is called perception. It is not based in any reality. The media magnifies any instance of a boy lover misbehaving into a stereotype. Craig: the media call it predation. This has little to do with sexual attraction. (31:30 to 33:15)
Wikipedia and hypocrisy.
Rookiee: a ‘child love movement’ article got changed to ‘paedophilia activism’. I tried to explain to them this was an inaccurate name for the article. Their title communicated rape and murder, not love. They applied a negative connotation to the piece. An article on abortion has the title ‘pro-choice’. It doesn’t say ‘murdering babies’. It is like talking to a brick wall. Oh Hell Yeah: it is OK to accuse a whole minority group of being molesters, and simultaneously for a woman to spread her legs wide and dispose of multiple babies. After all, society will say in her defence, that is her body, therefore it is her choice. Rookiee: both are consistent with the idea that children are property. Oh Hell Yeah: exactly! The children of celebrities have become fashion accessories. They say we are using kids when in fact it is they that use kids. Rookiee: Hollywood parents pimp out their kids for profit. Ethics flew out of the window. (33:16 to 38:21)
What causes paedophilia?
Oh Hell Yeah: two most popular reasons. It is either a mental illness, or we chose it. Ask a gay adult whether he just woke up one day and chose his sexuality. Then ask him, whether he has an erection whenever he sees a good looking guy in the street. He will answer no to both questions. Rookiee: it’s never a conscious decision; it’s always what the body wants. (38:22 to 42:41)
Waffle: (42:42 to 43:42)
Paedophilia versus religion.
Oh Hell Yeah: no religious person can show you their ‘bible’ and tell you ‘this was handed to me by God who told me “this is my word, live by it”’. Rookiee: any Christian is against paedophiles. I have never heard Stacy Harp quote from her bible that paedophilia is bad. Crimes against children are covered by the bible, but nowhere does it denounce a loving, caring relationship. Oh Hell Yeah: human beings wrote these books, so why should we believe them when they tell us it is the word of God. Rookiee: there are too many contradictions between the testaments to believe they originated from a single God. Christians might say it is open to interpretation, but whose interpretation is correct. The other point, according to some, is that the bible should be taken literally. A further point raised by Old Saint Nick was that Mary was married off at 8yo. Is that not paedophilia? There was likely no demarcation between child and adult back then, particularly as life expectancy was so short. This suggests no concept of paedophilia existed at the time of Jesus. (43:43 to 52:52)
Immaculate conception.
Oh Hell Yeah: I recall a Muslim friend of mine trying to convert me to Islam. He asked: ‘what are they telling you when they say: ‘Jesus, the only begotten son of God’. The dictionary tells us ‘begotten’ implies a single part of sexual reproduction. If this is the case, how did Mary, who was a virgin, give birth? Rookiee: that means the Immaculate Conception was a paedophile relationship. How do we know how God views sex. Oh Hell Yeah: I guarantee that those against boy lovers are devout Christians who hold to the idea that God is infallible, and yet the same people claim paedophilia is a mistake. This is an obvious contradiction. (52:53 to 55:14)
Waffle: (55:15 to 01:00:05)
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Episode #29 of Pedologues.
Pedologues is a podcast focused on issues surrounding inter-generational relationships, pedophilia, child sexuality, culture, society's views on these issues, law, and everyday life.
The first three episodes were cohosted by Rookiee and Abraxas. Episode four was formatted as an interview with Rebellee of the website boylover(dot)net. Subsequent episodes have been recorded via online Skype conversations and pieced together in post-production.
After 20 episodes, Rookiee announced the termination of the series, citing time constraints, financial burdens, and other personal reasons, and removed all episodes from the Pedologues homepage. Here we present an archive of all episodes released.
Pedologues Episode 29 (15 September 2006) Rookiee, Oh Hell Yeah, and Craig summary:
Gene therapy.
Rookiee: what you got to say? Oh Hell Yeah: SQR discussion about gene therapy the other night, and whether it should be used to remove specific defects before a child is born. All very well but people don’t think about potential Jurassic Park consequences. Diversity originates from genetic mutation. So, where does one draw the line? Rookiee: what if paedophiles get classified as genetically defective? Oh Hell Yeah: exactly! Rookiee: what if mature women can no longer conceive due to a fucked-up environment, and only pubescent can? If paedophiles had previously been removed from the gene-pool, and straights couldn’t get it up, then humanity would be completely screwed. (00:56 to 04:23)
Eradicate undesirables.
Craig: this genetic manipulation could go full Hitlerian where a dictator decrees: ‘dispose of all undesirables genetically. Oh Hell Yeah: they do that now by saying we are the undesirables and should be exterminated. I recall an episode of ‘Outer Limits’ where pubescent kids and younger were the only ones to survive a fertility-neutering toxin and where society decided to direct the kids to breed. You have no idea how much I would like this to happen. I would take this predicament and push it right into society’s face. Rookiee: there are good biological reasons why we are this way. Look how kids are treated in today’s society. They are starved of love and affection. Oh Hell Yeah: people prefer to be top dog. White man first slaughtered Red Indians for being inferior, then Blacks were inferior, then women were inferior, then homosexuals were inferior, now paedophiles are inferior. Those minorities now all have equal status. Same will be true of us in the future. It’s only a matter of time. (04:24 to 11:59)
Oh Hell Yeah introduction.
Rookiee: Oh Hell Yeah, you have been in the community since when? Oh Hell Yeah: 1999. What led me here was a story I read on Nifty.org called ‘Double Trouble’. It was a beautiful story and I cried my eyes out because it made me realise who I was. I knew I was a boy lover since I was an 8yo. I also knew if I told anyone about this, I would be hung, most likely by my own family, so I hid the story until I reached 19. The story was written by Boy Chills. Things have come to a sorry pass with a lot of the boards. Not too long ago, I became aware of SQR. I have also trawled through Nifty.org for diamonds in the rough. (12:00 to 14:33)
NAMBLA
Rookiee: besides the boards and a few activist sites, there is very little else available. Oh Hell Yeah: apart from NAMBLA making a stand only to be squished, most boy lovers are scared to organise. Rookiee: NAMBLA is made out to be only about sex, but that is not the case at all. Oh Hell Yeah: their website is out of date. Rookiee relates the period of time NAMBLA were around at a time when gays divorced themselves from chicken hawk behaviour. Around 1990, when gays forged ahead with their agenda, NAMBLA was still included on gay and lesbian coalitions. Law makers pointed this out, so NAMBLA ended up being removed from these coalitions. Essentially, the gays pushed the boy lover community into obscurity. Rookiee refers to the open nature of the meetings held by NAMBLA, and the undercover FBI entrapment, as discussed in episode 16. The absence of technical nous within the NAMBLA organisation meant the internet was not exploited to further activism. Even now they just produce magazines for their members. (14:34 to 23:05)
Activism reluctance.
Oh Hell Yeah: that’s the problem I see in the boy lover community. One group may speak out, then get told by some entity: ‘No!’ This forces them to relent. We need someone with fire to be indignant when told ‘No’. That person needs to confront their accusers, and tell them they are being lazy in not finding out more about the nature of paedophilia. The accuser also needs to be taken to task for hating someone they don’t even know. Rookiee: there are just not enough people willing to do this. Laws are becoming ludicrously draconian so no-one wants to take a risk. Individuals have to be whiter than white to undertake activism. Oh Hell Yeah: I don’t condone child porn, but I can understand why people have it. If a straight man is denied a woman, one of two things will happen. He either has to be a monk, or he is going to find an avenue of release. (23:06 to 27:59)
Brass eye.
Rookiee: Chris Morris, a UK satirist created and presented a ‘Paedogeddon’ special, aired in 2001, as part of the satirical Brass Eye tv series. It tackled paedophilia and the moral panic in parts of the British media. In character Morris said: ‘if you make something a problem, it will become a problem.’ Just because something doesn’t square with society, it doesn’t mean that something is wrong. It just means society is fucked up. Oh Hell Yeah: just because you are taught something is right, and everyone around you also tells you it is right, doesn’t mean to say it makes it right. (28:00 to 29:04)
Siding with the enemy.
Oh Hell Yeah: I guarantee there are a lot of boy lovers out there who are teaming up with people like Stacy Harp, simply because it takes the spotlight off them. This is similar behaviour to that of the gay community ousting the boy lover community. (29:05 to 30:02)
Rookiee plays a clip from Paedogeddon: (30:03 to 31:29)
Inaccurate stereotyping.
Oh Hell Yeah: that brings up an interesting thing. People automatically assume that if you are a paedophile, you would want to jump on any child regardless of their age, and do it anywhere. Rookiee: it is called perception. It is not based in any reality. The media magnifies any instance of a boy lover misbehaving into a stereotype. Craig: the media call it predation. This has little to do with sexual attraction. (31:30 to 33:15)
Wikipedia and hypocrisy.
Rookiee: a ‘child love movement’ article got changed to ‘paedophilia activism’. I tried to explain to them this was an inaccurate name for the article. Their title communicated rape and murder, not love. They applied a negative connotation to the piece. An article on abortion has the title ‘pro-choice’. It doesn’t say ‘murdering babies’. It is like talking to a brick wall. Oh Hell Yeah: it is OK to accuse a whole minority group of being molesters, and simultaneously for a woman to spread her legs wide and dispose of multiple babies. After all, society will say in her defence, that is her body, therefore it is her choice. Rookiee: both are consistent with the idea that children are property. Oh Hell Yeah: exactly! The children of celebrities have become fashion accessories. They say we are using kids when in fact it is they that use kids. Rookiee: Hollywood parents pimp out their kids for profit. Ethics flew out of the window. (33:16 to 38:21)
What causes paedophilia?
Oh Hell Yeah: two most popular reasons. It is either a mental illness, or we chose it. Ask a gay adult whether he just woke up one day and chose his sexuality. Then ask him, whether he has an erection whenever he sees a good looking guy in the street. He will answer no to both questions. Rookiee: it’s never a conscious decision; it’s always what the body wants. (38:22 to 42:41)
Waffle: (42:42 to 43:42)
Paedophilia versus religion.
Oh Hell Yeah: no religious person can show you their ‘bible’ and tell you ‘this was handed to me by God who told me “this is my word, live by it”’. Rookiee: any Christian is against paedophiles. I have never heard Stacy Harp quote from her bible that paedophilia is bad. Crimes against children are covered by the bible, but nowhere does it denounce a loving, caring relationship. Oh Hell Yeah: human beings wrote these books, so why should we believe them when they tell us it is the word of God. Rookiee: there are too many contradictions between the testaments to believe they originated from a single God. Christians might say it is open to interpretation, but whose interpretation is correct. The other point, according to some, is that the bible should be taken literally. A further point raised by Old Saint Nick was that Mary was married off at 8yo. Is that not paedophilia? There was likely no demarcation between child and adult back then, particularly as life expectancy was so short. This suggests no concept of paedophilia existed at the time of Jesus. (43:43 to 52:52)
Immaculate conception.
Oh Hell Yeah: I recall a Muslim friend of mine trying to convert me to Islam. He asked: ‘what are they telling you when they say: ‘Jesus, the only begotten son of God’. The dictionary tells us ‘begotten’ implies a single part of sexual reproduction. If this is the case, how did Mary, who was a virgin, give birth? Rookiee: that means the Immaculate Conception was a paedophile relationship. How do we know how God views sex. Oh Hell Yeah: I guarantee that those against boy lovers are devout Christians who hold to the idea that God is infallible, and yet the same people claim paedophilia is a mistake. This is an obvious contradiction. (52:53 to 55:14)
Waffle: (55:15 to 01:00:05)