Michael is joined by the Herald’s Southeast Asia correspondent James Massola who wrote in the Herald last week with Michael Bachelard quoting a former people smuggler who now lives in Pakistan who has been asked by his former bosses to return to Indonesia and in the event of a Shorten Government Labor government to “test the metal of the new regime”.

For his part, Bill Shorten continues to talk about a ring of steel around Australia should he form government but with his desire to win temporary visas are now the Medivac laws the ring of steel is looking more like it’s made of tin.