In this episode, Kaila and Kyle are joined by Morning Brew Daily hosts Neal Freyman and Toby Howell to talk about a subject they know better than anyone—the reality of having a work bestie. Listen to hear Neal and Toby share the story of how they went from colleagues, to friends, to podcast co-hosts, and the unexpected benefits and potential drawbacks of having such a tight working relationship.

00:00 Intro

02:09 How Neal and Toby originally became friends

07:58 How being both friends and colleagues has affected their work

10:12 Developing the Morning Brew Daily show

13:31 On the period that Toby and Neal were together 24/7

16:14 Advice for someone unsure about cultivating a deep friendship at work

20:30 The difference between having work friends at a small company versus a larger one

23:00 Neal and Toby answer questions from their own Morning Brew Daily production team

29:41 Game: 

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss Kyle’s experience of paternity leave so far, what’s been the most surprising to him, and how he’s feeling about returning to his 9 to 5. 

00:00 Intro

01:32  Stats on maternity vs. paternity leave in the U.S.

05:02 Research on the impact of taking paternity leave on a father’s brain

08:11 How pat leave has been for Kyle

13:53 Kyle’s feelings around returning to work

18:24 How boundaries shift after paternity leave

23:37 How Kaila’s thinking about parental leave 

33:41 The systemic problem that lack of parental leave policy in the U.S. is creating

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle debate what they consider to be some non-obvious but very real truths about the nature of work and career. Plus, listen ‘til the end of the episode to hear Kaila’s bonus productivity hack. 

00:00 Intro

00:26 “Per YOUR Last Email” segment

02:32 Non-Obvious Truth #1

05:30 The 3 “right” ways to be exploited at work

11:35 Non-Obvious Truth #2

19:33 Non-Obvious Truth #3

26:18 Bonus Productivity Hack of the Week

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss and debate the four types of jobs that they think everyone should have at least once in their career. Plus, listen ‘til the end to hear Kaila’s work fail of the week.  

00:00 Intro

01:06 Job #1

06:21 Pros and cons of working for a name brand 

10:54 Job #2 

20:04 Job #3 

23:44 Job #4 

29:32 Sequencing your career trajectory

32:08 Kaila’s work fail of the week

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss the ins and outs of office politics, what it REALLY is, and how to improve on your office politicking skills in order to advance your career. 

00:00 Intro

03:09 The two buckets of office politics

07:48 Can you opt out of office politics?

10:24 Advice for groups who face more biases in the workplace

12:57 MIT study on promotions based on potential

15:07 Kaila and Kyle’s personal experience with office politics

20:34 Office politics for remote employees

23:02 Using meetings to build buy-in 

26:41 Asking for a promotion

29:19 Game: How Would You Respond?

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss the difference between extrinsic and intrinsic motivation, and how to artificially generate it when you find yourself lacking motivation. 

00:00 Intro

00:51 Intrinsic motivation vs extrinsic motivation

03:08 Kyle’s intrinsic motivation vs Kaila’s extrinsic motivation

08:56 How Kaila hacks her motivation

14:52 Research-backed strategies for increasing motivation

19:24 Self-Determination Theory

21:50 Manufacturing competition

27:19 Two more tactics for hacking extrinsic motivation

32:52 Adam Grant’s study on radiologists 

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle dive into some conversation-sparking Reddit “Am I the A******?” submissions, and give their candid opinions on each. From whether or not you should share details of your personal life with your coworkers, to the ethics of applying for the same job as a friend, Kaila and Kyle bring some strong opinions. 

00:00 Intro

00:53 Scenario #1 - Retirement Gift

05:14 Scenario #2 - Applying for the Same Job as Your Friend

10:00 Scenario #3 - Keeping Personal Life Private at Work

18:25 Scenario #4 - Not Working Hard

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle talk about their biggest work fails, a different way to think about failure beyond simply as a “learning opportunity,” and share tactics on how to best move through and recover from failures in both work and career.

00:00 Intro

00:40 Kaila’s biggest work failure

04:20 Kyle’s biggest work failure

09:34 The problem with “I don’t fail, I either win or I learn.”

17:46 An NIH study on career failure among nurses

21:05 How to change your perception of “failure”

22:33 The importance of “getting ahead of it”

24:28 “post traumatic growth”

29:01 Tactics

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss what having high agency at work really means, the problems having high agency poses in certain contexts, and how to cultivate more of it in order to help your career. 

00:00 Intro

01:20 Defining what having “high agency” is 

06:52 The elements of high agency

10:34 An important point about having agency

14:17 An important element of truly effective high agency

15:03 A time when Kaila demonstrated high agency in her career

17:46 A time when Kyle demonstrated high agency in his career

21:32 A debate on the merits of disagreeableness 

30:22 Research on the “internal locus of control” 

31:43 Tactics for developing more agency

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss the viral Steve Madden interview and debate whether CEOs and corporations should be expressing their political views, as well as how to navigate politics in the workplace.

00:00 Intro

01:24 Steve Madden’s viral Cutting Room Floor interview

06:26 Lulu Cheng Meservey on “going direct” as a business leader

07:29 Stats on how different generations feel about companies voicing their political beliefs

09:53 Ben & Jerry’s vs. Target

15:07 Brian Armstrong’s “mission-driven company” blog post

21:31 How should you as an employee react to your CEO’s public political statements?

27:23 Should you share your own political beliefs at work?

35:49 Kaila’s work rant

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