In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss and debate the four types of jobs that they think everyone should have at least once in their career. Plus, listen ‘til the end to hear Kaila’s work fail of the week.  

00:00 Intro

01:06 Job #1

06:21 Pros and cons of working for a name brand 

10:54 Job #2 

20:04 Job #3 

23:44 Job #4 

29:32 Sequencing your career trajectory

32:08 Kaila’s work fail of the week

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss the ins and outs of office politics, what it REALLY is, and how to improve on your office politicking skills in order to advance your career. 

00:00 Intro

03:09 The two buckets of office politics

07:48 Can you opt out of office politics?

10:24 Advice for groups who face more biases in the workplace

12:57 MIT study on promotions based on potential

15:07 Kaila and Kyle’s personal experience with office politics

20:34 Office politics for remote employees

23:02 Using meetings to build buy-in 

26:41 Asking for a promotion

29:19 Game: How Would You Respond?

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss the difference between extrinsic and intrinsic motivation, and how to artificially generate it when you find yourself lacking motivation. 

00:00 Intro

00:51 Intrinsic motivation vs extrinsic motivation

03:08 Kyle’s intrinsic motivation vs Kaila’s extrinsic motivation

08:56 How Kaila hacks her motivation

14:52 Research-backed strategies for increasing motivation

19:24 Self-Determination Theory

21:50 Manufacturing competition

27:19 Two more tactics for hacking extrinsic motivation

32:52 Adam Grant’s study on radiologists 

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle dive into some conversation-sparking Reddit “Am I the A******?” submissions, and give their candid opinions on each. From whether or not you should share details of your personal life with your coworkers, to the ethics of applying for the same job as a friend, Kaila and Kyle bring some strong opinions. 

00:00 Intro

00:53 Scenario #1 - Retirement Gift

05:14 Scenario #2 - Applying for the Same Job as Your Friend

10:00 Scenario #3 - Keeping Personal Life Private at Work

18:25 Scenario #4 - Not Working Hard

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle talk about their biggest work fails, a different way to think about failure beyond simply as a “learning opportunity,” and share tactics on how to best move through and recover from failures in both work and career.

00:00 Intro

00:40 Kaila’s biggest work failure

04:20 Kyle’s biggest work failure

09:34 The problem with “I don’t fail, I either win or I learn.”

17:46 An NIH study on career failure among nurses

21:05 How to change your perception of “failure”

22:33 The importance of “getting ahead of it”

24:28 “post traumatic growth”

29:01 Tactics

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss what having high agency at work really means, the problems having high agency poses in certain contexts, and how to cultivate more of it in order to help your career. 

00:00 Intro

01:20 Defining what having “high agency” is 

06:52 The elements of high agency

10:34 An important point about having agency

14:17 An important element of truly effective high agency

15:03 A time when Kaila demonstrated high agency in her career

17:46 A time when Kyle demonstrated high agency in his career

21:32 A debate on the merits of disagreeableness 

30:22 Research on the “internal locus of control” 

31:43 Tactics for developing more agency

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss the viral Steve Madden interview and debate whether CEOs and corporations should be expressing their political views, as well as how to navigate politics in the workplace.

00:00 Intro

01:24 Steve Madden’s viral Cutting Room Floor interview

06:26 Lulu Cheng Meservey on “going direct” as a business leader

07:29 Stats on how different generations feel about companies voicing their political beliefs

09:53 Ben & Jerry’s vs. Target

15:07 Brian Armstrong’s “mission-driven company” blog post

21:31 How should you as an employee react to your CEO’s public political statements?

27:23 Should you share your own political beliefs at work?

35:49 Kaila’s work rant

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle dive into the problems with being a “people pleaser”, and how to balance being agreeable enough while also being effective and impactful at work. Plus, Kaila introduces The Workplace People Pleasing Matrix. 

00:00 Intro

00:44 Defining what “people pleasing” actually is

01:55 Why the term “people pleaser” is inflammatory

06:09 Stats on agreeableness and income

07:53 The Workplace People Pleasing Matrix

17:12 The importance of knowing when to be agreeable

19:28 The categories of people pleasers 

28:38 Advice for getting into the Zone of Efficacy on the People Pleasing Matrix

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss work stress and whether we’ve been thinking about it in the wrong way. There’s clearly such a thing as too much stress, but what about too little? And is there an ideal amount of stress we should be aiming for in order to be most successful at our jobs?

00:00 Intro

00:24 APA stats on stress and anxiety

02:53 Kaila’s relationship with work-related stress

06:57 Stats on workplace mental health

09:58 The Eustress Curve and how to rethink our relationship with stress

13:26 Findings by Hans Selye, the “Father of Stress”

15:47 A tip for turning negative stress into productive stress

23:00 Investing in recovery

24:54 What works for Kyle when it comes to managing work stress

30:28 Bonus segment

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss common career tropes and debate whether or not the sayings hold up. Is HR really not your friend? Are your connections more important than your skills? Listen and find out.

00:00 Intro

00:36 Career myth #1 - “No one knows what they’re doing.”

07:35 Career myth #2 - “HR is not your friend.”

12:51 Career myth #3 - “It’s not WHAT you know, it’s WHO you know.”

19:11 Career myth #4 - “Follow your passion, and you’ll never work a day in your life.”

27:33 Career myth #5 - “You should do the responsibilities before you get the promotion.”

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