In this special bonus episode, Kaila and Kyle sit down with Industrious president Anna Squires Levine to discuss the role that connection plays at work, the future of offices and hybrid vs. remote work, the role of leadership in the modern workplace, and advice on making career pivots.

00:00 Intro

01:16 University of Chicago Booth School of Business study on human connection

07:45 What most companies get wrong about how to design a great working environment

10:31 Advice for companies trying to introduce more fun into their culture 

12:42 How should leaders think about creating a great workplace given the mixture of hybrid, remote, and in-office employees?

15:57 Game: Ask Anna

22:43 How Anna approaches building a culture of energy (vs. one of burnout)

25:37 Anna’s advice for those looking to make a career pivot

29:47 What parenting has taught Anna about navigating work

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle get into personal finance—the money lessons they learned the hard way throughout their careers, and how they approach managing their savings, investments, and spending now.

00:00 Intro

02:36 A big wake-up call money moment in Kaila’s life

07:27 Kyle’s big wake-up call money moment

10:21 Kaila’s experience with lifestyle creep

13:56 An important salary negotiation in Kyle’s career 

18:10 Learning to how to spend based on your values

21:40 Structuring your compensation

25:18 How Kaila and Kyle structure their savings and personal finances

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle share the productivity tips that help them accomplish their to-do list, and to get your 2026 off to a strong start. 

00:00 Intro

02:20 Kaila’s and Kyle’s word of the year

04:30 Productivity tip #1: The Sunday Setup

09:29 Productivity tip #2: The Bullet Journal

13:06 Productivity tip #3: Commit to S***

16:57 Productivity tip #4: Lean into the Eustress Curve

19:09 Productivity tip #5: Time Block the Bull****

22:20 Productivity tip #6: Create Boundaries Around Your Energy

25:18 Productivity tip #7: The Great Filter

26:03 Bonus listener question

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss why there is a fear of being “left behind” in the workplace in 2026, and what you can do to avoid that outcome. 

00:00 Intro

02:08 Where the “left behind” framing is coming from

04:19 The “K-shaped” economy

09:02 Kyle’s hot take prediction on 2026

13:58 How to set yourself up for success in 2026

16:50 How Kaila and Kyle have started incorporating AI into their workflows

23:14 An example of how AI proved to be incredibly helpful in Kaila’s work

25:52 Another key tip for not falling behind in 2026

28:22 Extreme prioritization

31:09 The parable of the farmer

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle break down their 5-step goal-setting framework that will help you get promoted in 2026. 

00:00 Intro

02:17 Step 1 of goal-setting: Get clear on your company’s goals

07:21 Step 2 of goal-setting: Pick a word of the year

10:14 Step 3 of goal-setting: SMART goals

13:47 An important detail of setting SMART goals

17:08 Step 4 of goal-setting: Getting input

20:02 Step 5 of goal-setting: Create a check-in system

25:58 What if your goals are determined for you?

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This week, we’re bringing you a special (and very fun) variety show-style holiday episode. Listen to hear Kaila and Kyle quiz each other on 2025 news trivia, followed by a listener-submitted Am I the A******?, 2025 work rants, and finally our rose, bud, thorn of 2025.

00:00 Intro

01:31 2025 Workplace Trivia

18:26 Listener-submitted “Am I the A******?” Segment

24:12 Work rants

30:36 2025 Rose, Bud, and Thorn

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle break down their simple and effective End of Year Reflection Framework, which will help you give the best end-of-year performance review possible. 

00:00 Intro

01:55 Kaila and Kyle’s 2025 overall vibe check

04:52 Step one of the reflection framework

08:34 Step two of the reflection framework

16:01 Big takeaways from completing the first two steps of the 4-step reflection framework

19:35 Step three of the reflection framework

27:46 Step four of the reflection framework

34:39 Step five of the reflection framework

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In this very special bonus episode of PMLE, Kaila and Kyle are joined by comedian, actor, and producer Joel Kim Booster to get his holiday hot takes. Listen to hear how Joel would organize his own office holiday party, the rule he thinks would make corporate America more fun, and his honest opinions in a round of Iconic of Moronic. 

00:00 Intro

00:31 What Joel’s performance review would say if he held an office job today

02:02 The most unhinged party theme Joel would institute if he were in charge of the office holiday party

03:09 The office rule Joel would put in place that would make everyone’s work a little more chaotic and a lot more fun

04:34 Rapid Fire Round

09:34 Iconic or Moronic

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In this episode, Kaila and Kyle discuss both how family has influenced their career paths, how they talk about work with their families, and the importance of figuring out what the right amount of spillover is between work and family life.

00:00 Intro

01:40 How Kaila and Kyle talk about work with their families

07:28 The “spillover-crossover model”

13:19 The danger of co-rumination

15:42 How Kaila’s family influenced her career path

20:34 How Kyle’s family influenced his career path

25:12 Tactics

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Is it possible for us to start to digitally “detox” while still leveling up at work? In this episode, Kaila and Kyle are joined by Kate Noel (host of the podcast People Person, and Morning Brew’s SVP of People Operations) to talk about how we can start to become less dependent on our screens, while still remaining diligent at our jobs. 

00:00 Intro

02:53 Should we even be trying to digitally detox?

06:37 How Kate, as an HR leader, is approaching organizational boundary setting

10:55 How to cultivate a boundary-respecting culture within an organization

15:08 How to help cultivate a boundary-respecting culture as an individual contributor

17:27 A different way to think about “work-life balance”

22:12 Should we be on our phones when we’re not working?

27:15 “You don’t rise to the level of your willpower, you fall to the level of your systems.”

32:49 An important thing to consider if you’re feeling overwhelmed at work

34:12 Final tactics for setting better boundaries at work

This episode was sponsored by Industrious. Try out Industrious for yourself with a day pass OR a meeting room booking, now 50% off for Per My Last Email listeners. Visit industriousoffice.com/pmle to get your discount or free tour. 

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