Persistence of Vision

That’s My House just finished its festival run at the Indie Memphis Film Festival and is now available to stream for free. Be sure to watch and share.

Synopsis

A son attempts to relocate his mother to a retirement home to cash in on the value of her property, but she knows Appalachian folk magic and has plans of her own.

Director’s Statement

I’ve always enjoyed the collaborative nature of filmmaking. Surrounding yourself with knowledgeable, talented people will almost always raise the level of your production. But you have to be receptive to their creative input and demonstrate a willingness to accept their ideas when they really add value to your creative vision.

Actor, writer, and director David Caffey approached me early in 2023 with a treatment he had been working on. He wanted to use it as an acting vehicle for his own reel and was interested in bringing on a director. I immediately saw the potential in the world and the characters he had created and as I listened to his story, I drew creative and visual inspiration from The Andy Griffith Show, Fargo, The Ladykillers, and even physical comedies like Liar, Liar.

I pitched my vision for how I would execute the story, which took his idea into the realm of comedy and David agreed. We spent the next few weeks collaborating on the script and by the end of March 2023 we had a final draft and a plan in place to shoot in September.

Sadly, David’s cancer returned and we had to delay the start of filming due to his treatments. By January 2024 we were ready to move forward once again, but David had to leave the project. He gave us his blessing to continue on without him. Only weeks before filming began, David passed away after a long cancer battle.

This film was made in loving memory of David Caffey, a kind and talented man who was a fixture in the Memphis film community. I’m honored that he came to me with his idea and entrusted me with bringing it to life. I like to think that the humor, warmth, and the general “feel good” tone of That’s My House is a reflection of all that David Caffey was in this life.

Enjoy.

Festivals and Awards

* Love Your Shorts Film Festival • February 15, 2025 • Best Actor in a Leading Role, Drew Smith

* Magnolia Independent Film Festival • February 22, 2025 • Best Short Film Award • Audience Choice Award

* South Georgia Film Festival • March 7-9, 2025 • Nominee, Best Narrative Short

* Clean Shorts Film Festival • March 29, 2025

* Southern Oasis Film Festival • April 5, 2025 • Nominee, Best Short Film

* Oasis Film and Media Festival • April 12, 2025 • Best Short Film, Best Director, Best Actor, Best Actress, Best Screenplay, Best Editing

* Loveland Shorts Film Festival • August 2, 2025 at 7PM • Saturday Night Showcase Block • Best of the Fest Nominee, Best Comedy Nominee

* Lake Charles Film Festival • October 4, 2025

* Tennessee International Indie Film Festival • November 9, 2025 • Audience Choice for Block 2

* Desoto Film Festival • November 7-8, 2025

* Fairhope Film Festival • November 13-16, 2025 • Best Narrative Short

* Athens International Monthly Art Film Festival • Honorable Mention

* Always Late TV Movie Awards • March 14, 2026 at 6PM • Best Actor, Short Film •

* Indie Memphis Film Festival • November 7, 2026

Cast

* Robert - DREW SMITH

* Lucille - DIANE MULLINS

* Sheriff - ED PARKER

* Madeline - ELIZABETH LAWSON

Crew

* Director - CLINT TILL

* Director of Photography - JARED CALLAN

* Story by - DAVID CAFFEY and CLINT TILL

* Screenplay by - CLINT TILL and DAVID CAFFEY

* Sound - COLLIN NELSON

* Art Directors - JENI HARRIS and MONICA SUMMERFIELD

* Wardrobe - AUGUSTA RIVERA CAMPBELL

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In this episode of Persistence of Vision, Clint Till sits down with Baltimore-based cinematographer Jake Norris. The two catch up after meeting at Maine Media Workshops in Andy Day’s Creative Lighting for TV and Film course to discuss Jake’s rapid career trajectory since breaking into the industry in 2019.

 Jake shares how he transitioned from studying mathematics to becoming a full-time DP, lessons learned from starting out on Craigslist music videos, key technical insights on controlling set lighting, and the practical creative solutions used on his recent $30,000 feature film, Atlantic Avenue.

SHOW NOTES

00:00:00 – Introduction to guest Jake Norris and Maine Media Workshops memory.

00:02:18 – Biggest takeaways from Andy Day’s lighting workshop: Light control vs. over-lighting.

00:07:36 – Simulating natural light, maintaining consistency, and managing lighting limitations on set.

00:11:03 – Pivoting from mathematics/AI to filmmaking in 2019.

00:12:12 – The early hustle: Craigslist music videos and learning by doing.

00:13:20 – Taking a leap into focus pulling on high-end sets.

00:15:00 – Advice for emerging filmmakers: Getting on set, reading gear manuals, and building genuine relationships.

00:20:00 – Why BTS photography can be a faster doorway into crew roles than production assisting.

00:21:24 – Dealing with pre-shoot anxiety, imposter syndrome, and setting on-set expectations.

00:24:33 – Mid-roll sponsor break.

00:25:34 – Navigating difficult client feedback and using pre-production to avoid post-production misalignments.

00:32:00 – Asking the right questions before a shoot: Deliverables and target audience.

00:35:00 – Treating everything as a light source and learning to observe natural light in daily life.

00:38:12 – Setting up interview lighting: Key-side shape vs. passive fill.

00:43:30 – Pushing back on unrealistic production schedules and offering constructive solutions.

00:47:19 – Knowing when to say no, avoiding burnout, and evaluating free or low-budget passion projects.

00:52:17 – Music video horror story: Hotel rooms, leopard print speedos, and reconsidering career choices.

00:53:20 – Deep dive into Atlantic Avenue: Lighting a micro-budget night scene under a boardwalk using battery LED tubes and structural slits.

00:59:14 – Project status for Atlantic Avenue and where to find Jake’s work.

01:00:55 – Wrap-up and podcast outro.

 

RESOURCE LINKS & CONNECT

Jake Norris's Website: jakenorrisdp.com

Jake Norris on Instagram: @jakenorrisfilms

Follow Atlantic Avenue: @atlanticavenuemovie on Instagram

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I really enjoy writing and directing short films.

* I've also read many short film scripts

* I’ve seen dozens of shorts at various festivals and online

* I've judged short film screenplay competitions

The more I see, the more I read, and the more I create, the more I start to see and understand what makes for a strong short film.

In this video I talk about the few common denominators I've seen among those short films (including my own) that weaken the overall film.

I think that if you avoid these while writing your next script, the finished film will be a lot stronger.In this video I mention a quote I really like from Christopher McQuarrie, writer and director of the Mission: Impossible movies Rogue Nation, Fallout, Dead Reckoning, and Final Reckoning. If you would like to listen to the full interview, you can listen to this episode of the Q&A podcast with Jeff Goldsmith.

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Episode Overview

In this episode of the Persistence of Vision podcast, host Clint Till sits down with Mississippi-based filmmaker, fine artist, and improv performer Glenn Payne. Clint and Glenn discuss the multi-faceted life of an independent regional creative. 

Timestamps

00:00 – Introduction to the Persistence of Vision podcast and guest Glenn Payne.

 

01:08 – Reminiscing on first meeting at the Tupelo Film Festival and Film Prize competitions.

 

02:05 – Who is Glenn Payne? Balancing filmmaking, fine arts, and improv comedy.

 

03:19 – Accidental beginnings: Making a dialog-free short film as a college final exam.

 

04:26 – Discovering improv art forms and training with Second City at the Chicago Improv Festival.

 

05:54 – How improv mechanics mirror the real-time writing, directing, and editing of screenplays.

 

07:33 – Learning the craft: DVD audio commentaries, studying film edits, and trial-by-error repetition.

 

10:28 – The value of early creative mistakes and acknowledging your growth as a director.

 

12:33 – Giving back to the next generation through youth film workshops and unexpected technical lessons.

 

14:58 – Making the leap from short films to feature films and adjusting to 90-page narrative pacing.

 

17:48 – Building a full spaceship interior inside a rented warehouse for the sci-fi feature Earthrise.

 

19:31 – The harsh reality of distribution curves and last-minute buyer rejections.

 

21:38 – Balancing creative freedom with marketability and keeping production budgets low.

 

23:49 – Turning town relationships into investors, crew, and extras for the upcoming indie feature Alien Eyes.

 

28:37 – Navigating creative burnout, taking intentional breaks, and changing artistic mediums to recharge.

 

31:07 – Pivoting to short documentaries: Investigating ghosts at the Lyric Theater in Tupelo.

 

32:59 – Surviving 10-degree shoot nights inside a single vehicle for the thriller Driven.

 

35:40 – Logistical illusions: Mapping streetlights and storyboarding every shot for a single-car location.

 

37:54 – Working with Supernatural star Richard Speight Jr. on an indie budget.

 

39:36 – Where to find Glenn Payne’s latest feature film releases and project updates.

 

41:22 – Episode wrap-up, subscription details, and Substack support.

 

Featured Resources and Links

Follow Glenn Payne: Connect across social media platforms via his handle @cinematicglenn.

 

Watch the Documentary: Stream Glenn's paranormal investigation documentary, The Most Haunted Theater in America, on Amazon.

 

Explore Feature Projects: Look out for Glenn's upcoming suspense thriller Safe and Sound and his sci-fi festival comedy Alien Eyes.

 

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Overview

This month’s episode of the podcast features a remarkably candid and vulnerable conversation with writer, director, and cinematographer Michael Williams—a brilliant independent filmmaker whom I first met through our shared history with the Magnolia Film Festival.

Michael has directed the indie features Oz Land and the supernatural horror film The Atoning, and he brings a beautifully raw perspective to what it actually takes to survive a lifelong career in the arts.

In this episode, we step away from the usual glossy success stories to dissect the heavy physical and psychological realities of severe creative burnout. Michael opens up about the borderline traumatizing nature of grueling indie film sets, the exhausting friction of navigating moving studio targets, and his conscious decision to step away from writing and directing for a bit.

Timestamps

00:00 – Episode introduction, meeting through the Magnolia Film Festival, and the reality of the indie film hustle.

01:36 – Reconnecting with the early Mississippi filmmaking roots that shaped his career trajectory.

02:40 – The power of a mentor: How Pat Raspberry and the Tupelo Film Festival opened the first vital doors of opportunity.

06:05 – Set connections over cutthroat metrics: Why sincere relationships matter more than raw talent in southern film markets.

07:45 – Thrust into the fire: Surviving a chaotic first job as a college kid pulling focus on 17+ hour days.

14:15 – Learning the delicate art of collaboration and expanding the creative boundaries of an initial script.

18:00 – Communicating intention: Why directors should discuss deep character emotions and prop motivations rather than arbitrary choices.

21:00 – Dynamic camera movement vs. stagnant staging: Finding narrative inspiration in Steven Spielberg's blocking styles.

25:12 – The grueling timeline of The Atoning: Navigating intense creative friction and a rapid six-month production cycle.

28:51 – Confronting the fight-or-flight nervous system response that triggers severe filmmaker burnout.

33:18 – Pruning the Creative Tree: Stepping completely away from film sets to discover therapeutic healing in the garden.

35:35 – Transitioning to novels: How living life over the past four years unlocked a deeper, more authentic writing voice.

39:04 – Redefining the title of "Filmmaker" and shattering the artificial glass ceilings imposed by industry gatekeepers.

42:22 – Clout vs. Cash Flow: The sobering financial reality of a Hollywood theatrical release for Oz Land.

45:10 – The Redbox Deal: How a powerful poster and trailer layout ultimately saved The Atoning's bottom line.

46:17 – Looking forward: Defining the strict boundaries, resource requirements, and humane hours for his next feature.

52:20 – Where to connect with Michael online and tracking down the self-distributed 10th Anniversary Oz Land Blu-ray.

Key Takeaways

The Dream is Free, but the Hustle is Sold Separately: Surviving on the ultra-low-budget indie level means wearing five different hats simultaneously, enduring extreme physical strains, and figuring out how to deliver a million-dollar look on a $10,000 budget. Wide-eyed optimism is necessary to start, but you must find your voice and learn to establish firm professional boundaries before the industry takes complete financial and physical advantage of you.

Indie Film Sets Can Mimic Trauma: Running a set with consistent 17 to 24-hour workdays while forcing actors and crews to live in heavy, artificial emotional spaces locks the human body into a perpetual state of fight-or-flight. Filmmakers frequently fail to realize their nervous systems are entirely fried until long-term burnout completely stalls their ability to generate original work.

Prune Yourself to Bloom Bigger Later: Stepping away from your primary creative outlet is not a sign of failure or giving up. Much like an athlete resting an injury or a gardener pruning a plant, stepping back to explore alternative visual mediums—like drawing, poetry, or artisanal gardening—awakens dormant parts of the brain. It allows your subconscious to heal so you can eventually return to screenwriting with authentic life experience rather than simple imitation.

Reject Artificial Industry Milestones: Do not let gatekeepers or external glass ceilings define your creative legitimacy. If you write, you are a writer; if you make a film, you are a filmmaker. The arbitrary expectation that a director must compound their momentum by churning out a feature film every two to three years is an unsustainable and illogical lifestyle for independent artists.

Resources and Links Mentioned

Film Distribution Partners: Look up past feature releases distributed through Gravitas Ventures.

Independent Feature Projects: Rent or purchase the post-apocalyptic feature Oz Land (2015) or the supernatural horror follow-up The Atoning (2017) on Amazon.

Michael's Production Banner: Explore commercial work and past short films via Shendopen Films.

The Botanical Showcase: Follow Michael's real-world documentary-style gardening ecosystem via The Great Gatsby Herb Cartel on social channels.

Exclusive Physical Media: Grab a copy of the completely self-distributed 10th Anniversary Oz Land Special Feature Blu-ray, available directly through The Great Gatsby Herb Cartel storefront.

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In this episode of The Persistence of Vision podcast, host Clint Till sits down with writer-director Marti King Young. Tracking her diverse 20-year creative path, Marti pulls back the curtain on discovering her calling as a visual storyteller. From auditing university screenwriting classes to prepping her upcoming 2027 feature film, Marti shares masterclass-level wisdom on handling brutal script notes, transforming transactional networking into real friendships, and completely shattering the limiting beliefs of ageism in the entertainment industry.

Timestamps are approximate

00:00 – Episode introduction and Marti’s work with the DeSoto Arts Institute.

02:15 – The sudden midnight epiphany: Transitioning from an entirely different career to that of a screenwriter.

05:40 – Auditing Vanderbilt University film classes and connecting with mentor William Akers.

09:12 – The Olympian mindset: Treating the pain of harsh script revisions like physical training.

14:30 – Subjective vs. Objective notes: Knowing which critiques to execute and which to throw away.

19:15 – Flipping the script on networking: Ditching the transactions to make actual friends.

25:40 – Mid-show break: Elevating independent film aesthetics with Dehancer Film Emulation Plugin.

28:50 – Overcoming imposter syndrome and building a resilient, long-term production career.

34:15 – Breaking down the invisible barriers of ageism and owning your creative timeline at 50+.

41:10 – Exclusive Scoop: Pre-production details for Marti’s upcoming 2027 feature film debut.

46:25 – Protecting your mental space: Knowing when to say no and establishing professional boundaries.

50:12 – Closing reflections: Why you must refuse to let anyone else's words become your cage.

Resources and Links Mentioned

Featured Post-Production Tool: Dehancer Film Emulation Plugin (Get 10% off with promo code VISION).

Recommended Reading: Your Screenplay Sucks: 100 Ways to Make It Great by William Akers.

Educational Programs: Media and Screenwriting Departments at Vanderbilt University.

Community & Non-Profit Work: Independent filmmaking initiatives at the DeSoto Arts Institute.

Show Substack & Articles: Read weekly filmmaker profiles and behind-the-scenes essays at clinttill.substack.com.

Connect Online: View Clint's complete directing portfolio and corporate video services at linktr.ee/clinttill.

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Shownotes

Timestamps are approximate

00:00 – Introduction and reconnecting after 30 years.

02:08 – VHS filmmaking roots and the evergreen power of practical, in-camera creative solutions.

05:32 – Moving to Los Angeles without a career plan and navigating the union art department.

06:53 – How a micro-budget of $6,000 birthed the independent horror feature Entrance.

09:40 – The danger of waiting for the stars to align versus building a daily creative writing habit.

15:15 – Are film festivals still worth it? Navigating FilmFreeway and setting submission budgets.

18:45 – Faking it until you make it: First days on set driving box trucks and working on Punk'd.

22:45 – Redefining "making it" in your 40s and managing creative anxieties.

26:03 – Mid-show break: Elevating your digital footage with Dehancer Film Emulation Plugin.

31:20 – The heartbreak of studio deals falling apart and major lessons learned directing The Pact II.

35:30 – Why a "perfectly happy" production can be a red flag for independent film directors.

41:55 – Handling the crushing uncertainty of the commercial video production and movie industry.

43:58 – Exclusive Scoop: Dallas announces his new horror movie Interaction and a distribution deal with Antenna Releasing.

47:08 – Quick hits: Reading Ross MacDonald’s Lew Archer detective novels and finding inspiration.

48:41 – Where to watch Entrance, The Pact II, and anthology horror film Southbound.

Resources and Links Mentioned

Featured Filmmaking Gear & Tools: Dehancer Film Emulation Plugin (Use promo code VISION for 10% off).

Film Distribution Platforms: Film Hub, FilmFreeway.

Distributor: Antenna Releasing.

Books Mentioned: Lew Archer Detective Series by Ross MacDonald.

Where to Watch Dallas Hallam's Work:

The Pact II on Shudder

Entrance on Apple TV / Amazon

Southbound Anthology Feature

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Persistence of Vision Podcast: Jeremy Burgess

Episode SummaryScreenwriter, copywriter, and film critic Jeremy Burgess joins Clint to talk about building a creative career through persistence, collaboration, and learning not to be precious with your ideas. Jeremy shares how a Shakespeare parody unexpectedly launched his advertising career, how copywriting shaped his screenwriting discipline, and what it took to write and produce his first feature film, Don’t Die.

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Timestamps & Topics

00:00 – Introduction & Jeremy’s background

02:49 – Sidewalk Film Festival & screenplay competition

06:11 – From Shakespeare parody to copywriting career

10:11 – Making your own opportunities as a writer

13:01 – Surviving tough notes and client feedback

16:30 – How copywriting improved Jeremy’s screenwriting

18:44 – Finding your voice and moving past imitation

25:38 – Outlining, note cards, and story structure

33:17 – Collaboration, conflict, and creative compromise

37:21 – Writing and producing the feature film Don’t Die

39:16 – Lessons from shooting a feature in 12 days

45:03 – Advice for first-time feature filmmakers

46:44 – Dust on the VCR and writing about classic films

49:26 – Where to watch Don’t Die & closing thoughts

About the Film: Don’t DieA crime thriller about a desperate man seeking life‑saving medication who becomes trapped inside a dangerous black‑market pharmacy operation.

Available on Amazon, Apple, Fandango, and Tubi (free with ads). DVD available via Amazon.

Guest Links

Don’t Die – Feature film

Dust on the VCR – Jeremy Burgess’s Substack newsletter

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Episode Summary

Screenwriter, producer, and Page Craft Writing co-founder Heidi Hornbacher joins Clint to share her journey from UCLA to Los Angeles, founding writing retreats in Italy, and helping writers avoid common pitfalls. Heidi opens up about creative mistakes, the importance of mentorship, and why getting agreements in writing matters. This episode is packed with honest advice, memorable stories, and practical wisdom for anyone pursuing a creative path.

Timestamps & Topics (Time is approximate)

00:00:02 – Introduction & Guest Overview

00:01:04 – Heidi’s Journey & Page Craft

00:04:00 – Italy Retreats & Creative Inspiration

00:05:57 – Lessons Learned & Writing Mistakes

00:08:41 – The Rewrite Process

00:10:32 – Breaking into Filmmaking

00:13:35 – Saying Yes & Learning on the Job

00:16:38 – Mentorship & Community

00:20:44 – Directing & Producing

00:24:00 – Production Mishaps & Problem Solving (“Washed Away”)

00:29:22 – Agreements, Credits & Professional Boundaries

00:35:04 – Navigating Low Points & Self-Doubt

00:45:12 – Community, Success & Validation

00:52:32 – Plugs & Contact Info

Key Takeaways

Mistakes are learning opportunities—embrace them!

Always get agreements in writing to protect your work and relationships.

Mentorship and community are crucial for creative growth.

Resilience and adaptability are essential in the unpredictable film industry.

Redefine success: it’s about community, learning, and persistence.

Resources & Links

Page Craft Writing: https://pagecraftwriting.com

Slamdance Script Clinic

“Washed Away” (short film) - https://youtu.be/OMi51zjil5c?si=E1aqpu2tVPreiVtd

East Side Writers Meetup (Los Angeles)

WGA West: https://www.wga.org/contracts/contracts/mba

Heidi’s interview with Canvas Rebel - https://canvasrebel.com/meet-heidi-hornbacher/

Clint’s Newsletter: https://clinttill.substack.com/

Clint’s Linktree: https://linktree.com/clinttill

Connect with Heidi Hornbacher

X (Twitter), Blue Sky, Instagram, LinkedIn: @HeidiHornbacher

Website: https://heidihornbacher.com

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Join the East Side Writers Meetup if you’re in LA.

Check out Page Craft’s Italy Retreat for immersive writing experiences.

 

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This week, Persistence of Vision is participating in Podcasthon—a global podcasting initiative where creators around the world dedicate one episode of their show to a nonprofit they care deeply about.

For me, that organization is Desoto Arts Institute (DAI).

DAI was founded by my friend and longtime collaborator Robb Rokk, and it exists to give young people something I wish I’d had at their age: a hands‑on, welcoming place to explore creativity. Filmmaking. Music. Writing. Acting. Storytelling. Real tools, real mentorship, and real responsibility.

In this episode, Robb and I talk about how DAI started, why it exists, and what happens when you challenge young people to take their creativity, and their future, seriously. It’s an honest conversation about mentorship, access, and the long game of investing in the next generation.

If this conversation resonates with you, I hope you’ll take a few minutes to learn more about Desoto Arts Institute. Whether that means donating, becoming a member, or simply sharing their work, every bit of support helps keep the doors open and the lights on for young creatives who need a place to start.

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