Phil Ayres is a pastor serving what he describes as a small church just north of Orlando, Florida. Phil blogs and writes about the challenges of doing ministry in a small church setting.

He has published two books, How to Survive Ministry and Flannel-Graph Jesus. And he is also the host of the Bible Revealed podcast.

In our conversation, we explore pastoring in a small church setting and the personal benefits of writing. Phil shares the challenges of getting started writing and how those challenges evolve over time. It's an encouraging conversation for anyone who has ever thought about writing and struggled to get started.