How do you ensure that you are continually delivering value to clients, so that they never question the fees that you charge, especially in this volatile, uncertain world in which we're living? 

In this podcast with Phil Hobden of Sage, Phil and I cover several topics that are very relevant to the profession today, including:  how do we deliver value? 

Phil shares some great insights into his nine years working with accountants in a tech space, and also how he's developed a real understanding of accountants and their motivations and capabilities. 

And we have a really interesting chat around how accountants explain what they do to clients.

So, if you want to find out more, join me and Phil at HumaniseTheNumbers.online, or wherever you get your podcasts. 

Please scroll down the podcast’s episode page for the contact information for Phil and for the additional, downloadable resources mentioned in the podcast.