Phone Calls With Clever People

We're Talking About The Leadership Gap

This week is a very special episode of Phone Calls With Clever People as I'm joined by my very first guest Rohan Dredge and the interview is flipped on me. Rohan and I have a conversation about the leadership gap. The space that exists between executive leaders and people leaders in an organisation and causes some big problems. We talk about what it is, why it matters and how we can close it by developing remarkable leaders.

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Based in Melbourne, Shane has spent over a decade working with and in organisations to develop leaders in organisations across the private and public sector. Shane is the founder of the People Leaders Network, a member of the Forbes Global Coaches Council, a Gallup Certified Strengths Coach and the author of ‘Lead The Room – Communicate a Message That Counts in Moments That Matter’.

Connect with Shane on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanemhatton/ 

Learn more about Shane and his work at https://www.shanemhatton.com 

Connect with Rohan on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/rohandredge/ 

We're Talking Energy 

The kind of energy that enables us to take responsibility for the things that make us better.

I'm joined by my very clever friend and someone I deeply admire Lisa O’Neill. From a career in fashion and television to being a mum of four, Lisa has her feet on the ground. With refreshing directness, Lisa is passionate that we should all get to live the best version of ourselves.

She has written five books on how to do exactly that. ‘Look Gorgeous Be Happy’, ‘Juggling in High Heels’, ’The Lickable Third’, '100 Questions to Self Awareness and 'Everything You Want'. Lisa one of my favourite people and is sure to leave you feeling energised and ready to change the way you think about life.

She recently told me that “energy is everything”. I give her a call to explore why.

Follow Lisa on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisaonz/ 

Learn more about Lisa and her work at https://www.lisaoneill.co.nz/

Connect with Shane on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanemhatton/

We're Talking Adaptability 

With the current state of the world it couldn’t be a more important topic of conversation.

My guest is the incredible Lynne Cazaly. Lynne is an international keynote speaker, multi-award-winning author and a master facilitator. She is the author of 6 books (soon to be 7) and an expert at helping you think better, make sense of information and handle the realities of workplace overwhelm and information overload with all of her clever hacks and ingenious processes, tools and methods.

Lynne recently told me that when we “change the way we do things it changes what we can do”. Today I give her a call to explore to explore how becoming more adaptable can accelerate decisions, discovery, change, and outcomes.

Follow Lynne on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/lynnecazaly/ 

Learn more about Lynne and her work at https://www.lynnecazaly.com.au/ 

Connect with Shane on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanemhatton/

We're Talking Language

Today’s guest is my good friend Rachel Callander. She says that ‘our language shapes our landscape’.

Rachel’s late daughter Evie, was born with a very rare chromosomal condition and during the two and a half years of her life, Rachel learnt a lot about the use of language in the health system, and she has spent the subsequent years continuing to explore the impact and implications of how it is used both to positive and negative effect.

She is a TedX presenter, speaker, trainer and award winning artist. She is also the author of two books - Super PowerBaby Project and Super Power Kids which are books that celebrate the lives and abilities of children with a range of disabilities and conditions. 

I give her a call to explore how we as leaders can use language to create more safe, connected and empowering landscapes for those we lead.

Follow Rachel on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachel-callander-51bba32/ 

Learn more about Rachel and her work at https://rachelcallander.com/ 

Connect with Shane on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanemhatton/

We're Talking Action.

More specifically turning leadership theory into action.

My guest is author and corporate trainer Mark Greaney. He recently told me that while leadership theory is great (and important) what matters most is that it’s put it into practice.

Earlier in the year when New Zealand went into lockdown Mark was presented with the opportunity to go to sea for six weeks with one of his clients and he had to live by those words as he traded his Gold Status for No Status.

Today we explore what six weeks at sea taught him about leadership on the ground.   

Follow Mark on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/nzfacilitators/ 

Learn more about Mark and his work at https://www.mark-greaney.com/ 

Connect with Shane on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanemhatton/

We're Talking flawsome.

What’s flawsome I hear you ask? My guest on the podcast is author Georgia Murch and she says that Flawsome is not just making peace with your flaws but in knowing that without them, you would not be you.

As one of Australia's leading experts in designing feedback cultures for teams and organisations, Georgia has learned that the foundation to the relationships we have with each other - is the one that we have with ourselves. And that it all starts with the feedback we give ourselves.

Today I give her a call to find out how we can embrace the flaw that make us who we are and become more flawsome.

Follow Georgia on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgiamurch/ 

Get a your copy of her new book 'Flawsome - The journey to being whole is learning to be holey' at https://georgiamurch.com/buy-flawsome/

Subscribe to her blog at https://georgiamurch.com/subscribe/ 

Connect with Shane on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanemhatton/

We're Talking Power.

If you have power or privilege, then how do you become a champion for change and use that for good?

My guest is Michael Bungay Stanier, author of 'The Advice Trap' and 'The Coaching Habit' (the best-selling coaching book of this century with over 700,000 copies sold and 1,000+ five-star reviews on Amazon). 

These are two of my all time favourite books so the opportunity to sit down with him is very humbling.

I give Michael to explore the idea of power, privilege and becoming a force for change in the world.

Follow Michael on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbungaystanier/ and visit https://www.mbs.works/ to learn more about his work and sign up to his free course 'The Year of Living Brilliantly'.

Connect with Shane on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanemhatton/

We're Talking belief.

My guest is leadership mentor, author and strategist Cameron Schwab. At 24 years of age Cameron was appointed the CEO of the famous Richmond football club, becoming the youngest CEO in the history of the game. 

He told me recently that there’s a lot that leaders can really learn from the world of football and elite sport. 

As the second longest serving CEO in the modern game I give him a call to explore some of those leadership lessons.

Follow Cameron on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/cameronschwab/ and visit https://www.designceo.com.au/ to learn more about his brilliant work and download your free copy of his book 'More to the Game'.

Connect with Shane on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanemhatton/

We're talking connection.

From regular in person meetings to spending most of our day communicating through a screen, there’s no doubt the world we are living in has changed. 

My guest is bestselling author and global thought leader on business storytelling Gabrielle Dolan. She told me recently that 'creating real connection and engagement is needed now more than ever'.

Today I give her a call to explore how we can create real connection and engagement in this digital world through the power of storytelling 

Follow Gabrielle on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabrielledolan/ and visit https://gabrielledolan.com/ to learn more about her upcoming storytelling workshops and free Seven Day Storytelling Starter Kit

Connect with Shane on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanemhatton/

We're Talking Perspective.

My guest is the very clever Zoë Routh and she is the author of a great new book called 'People Stuff - Beyond Personality Problems'.

Zoë is a leadership expert who, from the wild rivers of northern Ontario to the remote regions of Australia, has spent the last thirty years showing teams how to navigate the wilderness of people stuff. 

She recently told me that "perspective is power and when we can see more we can lead better".

I give her a call to explore why perspective is so important for leaders and also what we can do to get more of it. 

Follow Zoë on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/zoerouth and visit https://www.zoerouth.com/peoplestuff-book to learn more about her amazing work and new book.

Connect with Shane on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanemhatton/