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Physical Literacy part 1 - Why We're Still Getting Physical Literacy Wrong in Schools


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In this special edition of the real PE podcast Ronnie Heath and John Parsons dissect physical literacy:

Is it genuinely different from good PE, or are we just rebranding what we should have been doing all along? In this candid special edition, they explore the new consensus statement, the Patchwork project, and why schools still struggle to distinguish PE from sport. With brutal honesty about grassroots practice and thought-provoking questions about terminology, this episode tackles the gap between ambition and reality in children's physical development. Essential listening for anyone working in education, sport, or child development.

Join us for an honest, sometimes uncomfortable conversation about:

  • The new consensus statement for physical literacy in England and what it really means
  • Why physical literacy sounds remarkably similar to what real PE has championed for 16 years
  • The critical difference (or is there one?) between physical literacy and physical education
  • Whether we're reinventing the wheel or genuinely moving the sector forward
  • The Patchwork project's work translating theory into practice across communities
  • Why parents still can't tell the difference between PE and sport – and whose fault that is
  • The brutal truth about grassroots sport and the gap between what we say and what we do
  • This episode doesn't shy away from the hard questions. If physical literacy is about how we move, connect, think, and feel – isn't that just describing good education full stop? Is sculpture part of physical literacy? What about drama or playing a musical instrument?

    Ronnie challenges whether we're simply admitting that PE is finally catching up with child development science, whilst John defends the intent behind the movement and the real problems it's trying to solve. Both agree on one thing: translating good principles into actual practice remains our biggest challenge.

    Whether you're a PE teacher, school leader, sports coach, or anyone working in children's physical development, this conversation will make you think differently about the language we use and the change we're trying to create.

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