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  • Rethinking how we measure video performance

    In this episode, we chat with Anant Shah, Principal Architect at Edgecast, about the challenges with measuring video streaming quality of experience. We'll discuss the fundamentals of video streaming, including the protocols, how it is delivered and different vantage points from which it can be measured.


    Understanding the challenges associated with delivering and measuring content can provide insight into how we need to improve observability in the Internet as a whole as well as how we can develop the network to deliver low latency content in the future.


    Watch Anant's presentation at PAM 2022 and read more Internet measurement stories on the APNIC Blog.


    The views expressed by the featured speakers are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of APNIC.

    39 min
  • DNS spoofing is a non-issue if we all do DNSSEC

    APNIC's Chief Scientist, Geoff Huston joins us again on the show, this time to discuss three related presentations by Google, ISC and Mozilla that caught his attention during the recent IETF 114 and DNS-OARC 38 meetings on securing the DNS against spoofing.


    DNS spoofing involves third parties intercepting and responding to queries for benign or malicious purposes; recent studies show that DNS spoofing has more doubled since 2016.


    Google is protecting its DNS service against spoofing using multiple methods including using a combination of DNS cookies, randomizing the choice of name servers, stripping duplicate queries from the outbound queues, performing rate limiting and unilaterally probing for support of Authoritative DNS over TLS (ADoT); it projects that these measures will cover 99% of queries after the various rollouts are complete.


    While such results are impressive, Geoff and others argue that the widespread use of DNSSEC could do just as good as a job and with little impact on performance, as per ISC's and Mozilla's findings in their recent studies.


    Read more about DNS Spoofing and DNSSEC on the APNIC Blog:

    • Geoff's Notes from DNS-OARC 38 and IETF 114 for more detail on and links to these presentations.
    • Whac-A-Mole: Six years of DNS spoofing
    • Spoofing packets: What is it, and why do people do it?
    • DNSSEC: The long and bumpy road of algorithm deployment


    The views expressed by the featured speakers are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of APNIC.

    40 min
  • QUIC and not so complex

    We’re continuing the theme of our last episode and learning more about the intricacies and perceived complexities of the QUIC protocol from one of its contributors and proponents Robin Marx, a web protocol postdoc researcher at KULeuven in Belgium and soon-to-be technical solutions architect at Akamai.


    Having researched HTTP2 performance as part of his PhD, Robin became involved in the development of HTTP3 and QUIC in the IETF while they were being designed. He also created the popular QUIC and HTTP/3 debugging and testing tools qvis and qlog.


    In this episode, we discuss how the perceived complexities are unwarranted and how similar perceptions directed at other new protocols can impact innovation, especially from new contributors to forums like the IETF. Robin also shares his experience with contributing to the development of QUIC in the IETF, and the importance of user experience when it comes to measurement.


    Follow Robin on Twitter: @programmingart

    Read more about QUIC on the APNIC Blog: https://blog.apnic.net/tag/quic/


    The views expressed by the featured speakers are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of APNIC.

    43 min
  • Making the Internet QUICer

    In this episode, APNIC’s Chief Scientist, Geoff Huston joins us to discuss a new measurement project that he and his APNIC Labs colleague Joao Damas have established to measure the use and performance of the QUIC protocol (RFC 9000).


    Although QUIC has only recently been standardized by the IETF (May 2021), it has been around since 2012 with an initial public release included in Chromium version 29, in August 2013. After nine years, how widely is it being used and is it living up to its billing and improving the reliability, security and speed of the Internet?


    • Read more about QUIC on the APNIC Blog.
    • View how widely QUIC (HTTP/3) is being used by region/economy/network.


    The views expressed by the featured speakers are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of APNIC.

    48 min
  • Taking a clean slate to designing the Internet of the future

    Today’s Internet is a Frankenstein’s monster of parts that have been bolted together. If it was a house, it would be a knock-down job — far easier to start from scratch.


    This is easier said than done or so many thought as we’ll come to learn in this episode featuring Nicola Rustignoli a founding engineer at the SCION Association, which is taking a clean-slate approach to overcoming the architectural limitations of today’s Internet, to provide route control, failure isolation, and explicit trust information for end-to-end communication.


    Read more about SCION projects on the APNIC Blog and the SCION website.


    The views expressed by the featured speakers are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of APNIC.

    28 min
  • How will the saga of IPv6 end?

    In this episode, APNIC’s Chief Scientist, Geoff Huston, joins us to discuss IPv6 — a topic he has investigated exhaustively over the last 30 years.


    Specifically, we’re talking about the seemingly never-ending transition to IPv6, the hallmarks it shares with previous IP transitions, how Network Address Translation (NAT) has hindered its deployment for the good and bad of the Internet, and whether 100% IPv6 is even the end goal given how far technology has come since IP was first implemented.


    You can read more on the APNIC Blog and IPv6@APNIC portal, including:

    • The transition to IPv6: Are we there yet?
    • IP addressing in 2021


    The views expressed by the featured speakers are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of APNIC.

    1 min
  • Leave your preconceptions at the door: Challenges and opportunities for the Internet routing system
    In this episode, we talk with Adrian Farrel about a study he and Daniel King conducted on the challenges semantic routing has had on the Internet's routing system.Now, this is a topic that a lot of people have a poor opinion of, particularly its link to New IP (https://blog.apnic.net/2020/05/25/new-ip-and-emerging-communications-technologies/). But what this study hopes to achieve is to look past the preconceptions and discover the broad underlying issues that semantic routing proposals are seeking to address and how to do it in a generic and scalable way that doesn’t break the network layer.Further to this, it also seeks to shed a light on the standard system and how to introduce new ideas before shooting them down as inappropriate.You can read more about this study on the APNIC Blog (https://blog.apnic.net/?s=semantic+routing) or via the following sources:* An Introduction to Semantic Routing (https://gate.sc?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-farrel-irtf-introduction-to-semantic-routing%2F&token=cd7e5a-1-1654660769555)* A Survey of Semantic Internet Routing Techniques (https://gate.sc?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-king-irtf-semantic-routing-survey%2F&token=1b30f9-1-1654660769555)* Challenges for the Internet Routing Systems Introduced by Semantic Routing (https://gate.sc?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-king-irtf-challenges-in-routing%2F&token=258f71-1-1654660769555)Also, there is a free virtual IETF Routing Area Working Group (RTGWG) interim meeting (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2022-rtgwg-01-rtgwg-01/) on 21 June 2022 (15:00 to 17:00 UTC) to discuss semantic routing.The views expressed by the featured speakers are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of APNIC.
    1 min
  • Why a resolverless DNS makes sense
    Geoff Huston joins us again for his monthly chat, this time to consider the contradictory theory of a resolverless DNS. Contradictory because the DNS is by its nature reliant on resolvers.We'll discuss the historical process of how DNS names are resolved and how content providers, through their open DNS services, have sought to optimise this process. This optimisation has led some, including Geoff, to consider 'server push' combined with DNSSEC, as a viable means to speed up the DNS, reduce privacy leakage and constrain the potential for failures.You can read more on the APNIC Blog The path to resolverless DNS (https://blog.apnic.net/2022/05/17/the-path-to-resolverless-dns/).The views expressed by the featured speakers are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of APNIC.
    51 min
  • Do government networks have a role to play in deploying RPKI?
    In our fourteenth episode, we're taking a closer look at Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) in Australia and New Zealand with Terry Sweetser.Terry recently worked on an Internet Society project to measure RPKI adoption in Australia and New Zealand among its government services and critical infrastructure. We've invited him on to discuss the results and research methodology, including the challenges of working with public sources of data.Watch (2022.apricot.net/program/schedule%E2%80%A6curity-sig-forum) Terry's presentation on this project at APRICOT 2022 and check out the RPKI @ APNIC (https://www.apnic.net/rpki-at-apnic/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=rpki@apnic&utm_content=campaign) portal for more information on RPKI as well as useful deployment case studies, how-to posts and links to hands-on APNIC Academy lessons and labs.The views expressed by the featured speakers are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of APNIC.
    24 min
  • Korea v. Content Provider: When the customer isn’t always right
    In our thirteenth episode, Geoff Huston joins us again for his monthly chat, this time on the historical feudings between carriers and content providers.The latest instalment in this feud is currently playing out in Korea, where South Korean Internet Service Provider, SK Broadband, is suing Netflix (https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/skorea-broadband-firm-sues-netflix-after-traffic-surge-squid-game-2021-10-01/)to pay for the costs of increased network traffic and maintenance work because of a surge in viewers since 2018.For Geoff, this is merely the latest in a long list of disputes dating back to the 1800s that have regularly been decided by the courts and regulators. But this most recent dispute is being watched closely by all sides around the world with Korean regulators taking a different and deliberate road that for some impedes the free market regulation model that has made the Internet into what it is today.You can read more about Korea's network regulations in Afterword: Korea’s Challenge to the Standard Internet Interconnection Model (https://carnegieendowment.org/2021/08/17/afterword-korea-s-challenge-to-standard-internet-interconnection-model-pub-85166).The views expressed by the featured speakers are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views of APNIC.
    53 min

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PING is a podcast for people who want to look behind the scenes into the workings of the Internet. Each fortnight we will chat with people who have built and are improving the health of the Internet.

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