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Pivoting to Activity and Helping Others, Its Never Too Late with Jan Malloch
And I realized there was a huge, huge gap in the market because there weren't personal trainers who are older, who could, you know, really empathize and whatnot with older men and women for that matter. Because, you know, you'll find older people will go to a personal trainer, and they'll be in their 20s, maybe their 30s.
About Jan
I'm a Fitness and Lifestyle Transformation coach for professional women over 50.
I totally transformed my life at 62. I lost weight and qualified as a personal trainer specializing in helping older women to be fitter.
Prior to this change, I never fully appreciated the importance of health and fitness, especially as you get older.
I worked at a desk job, and was sedentary most of the time. Doing any form of physical exercise never entered my mind. I then came to the stark realization that my poor eating habits and lack of mobility were killing me.
That's when I made the decision to do something about my life. The thought of ending up in a care home, sitting in the corner dribbling and being immobile really scared me.
Unlike the vast majority of personal trainers, I know exactly how it feels to struggle to lose weight and how exhausting it is to be unfit.
I also know how it feels to be older! All of these experiences have given me a much better understanding and empathy with my clients. I can personally relate to all of the women I work with - and they in turn relate to me.
Let me ask you...do you relate to any of the following?
Perhaps, as an older woman, you focus too much of your time on your work and families, to the detriment of your own health and well-being.
Returning from work after a hectic and stressful day, you are then faced with trying to sort out the problems that your husband and kids are going through.
A feeling of exhaustion and overwhelm often results in reaching for that wine bottle and ordering a takeout meal - just to escape from the havoc that is enveloping you.
Much of the evening is spent in front of the TV. You continually make poor lifestyle choices regards your health, which leads to weight gain, lethargy and fatigue.
And the more weight you put on, the more fatigued and stressed you become.
My role is to stop this vicious cycle. I help older women to appreciate the critical importance of prioritizing their own health and fitness so that they can enjoy a dramatically improved healthy quality of life.
www.janmalloch.com
www.ageucational.com
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Pivoting to Activity and Helping Others, Its Never Too Late with Jan Malloch
Sun, 6/27 1:04PM • 48:32
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
people, eating, thought, personal trainer, age, day, lose, whatnot, job, weight, minutes, terry, mindset, roy, achieve, exercise, good, women, customer service agent, feel
SPEAKERS
Jan, Terry, Roy Barker
Roy Barker 00:08
Hello, and welcome to another episode of AGEucational This is Roy, this is Terry. So we're a podcast that we try to present a lot of different spends on the aging process things for the aging, not only I'll speak for myself, I'm going through the aging process Terry, she is timeless, has an aged in the last 25 years, so
Terry 00:28
I can.
Roy Barker 00:30
But also, you know, we, we deal with our parents, they have different issues, Terry unfortunately lost her father to Alzheimer's a few years back. So but we're getting into that point that our parents need a little bit more help and trying to have some guidance, before we get into crisis situations trying to avert that. And also we have guests. So typically for our new listeners, Tuesdays, we release an episode, where we have a guest could be a professional that deals with aging, it could be somebody that's gone through the process or going through something specific. And then on Thursdays, our episodes are more specifically for our journey, some things we're seeing. And then also, we've been heavily focused on the dementia or Alzheimer's, just bring in some new information as it's unfolding. But anyway, today, we've got an awesome guest, Jan, I'm gonna let Terry introduce you, and then we'll get to it.
Terry 01:28
Jan Malloch is a fitness and lifestyle transformation coach for professional women over 50, who totally transformed her life at 62. She lost weight and qualified as a personal trainer specializing in helping older women to be fitter. And also, she worked at a desk job and was very sedentary most of the time. So Jan, I'm gonna let you talk a little bit about that. Brittany, tell us a little bit about your background. How you came to this point,
Jan 02:02
right? Well, actually, to be honest, I've had a number of careers in my life. So I'm just going to go and let's run through some of these because, you know, it's been quite quite a chasm, you know, of, you know, changes and all the rest. But so anyway, when I went to university, and then I went into the civil service. So basically my job, I worked in the Department of Employment, and I was just interviewing people all day, you know, so that was great. It was great fun. But again, obviously, I'm just sitting there at my office all day. In my 30s, I became a mother. So I was away from the, you know, the, the vocational job scene for a long time, went back in 1995, only to discover that suddenly, computers had invaded the workplace. So, and I had not got a clue, I had not got a clue. So I went back again, as just an interviewer, I didn't have to worry about working, you know, with a computer and let that and, and then they sent me on a word course and an Excel course, on how to use a computer. And I absolutely fell in love with it. And to cut a very long story short, I ended up becoming a computer engineer. Right. Wow. So that was quite a transformation. Because what happened was, I started building these computers in the house. And then I thought Whoa, light bulb went on. And this is going to be my career. This is what I want, you know. So I actually started qualifying I got various qualifications in it. But the interesting thing is I was a woman, aged 42 trying to get into it. And you know what, when the training people were saying to me, Oh, you mean, you want to learn how to type? I said, No, no, no, I want to be a computer engineer. And I tell you, it took a lot of me trying to sell myself before they would even accept we own the course, you know, I could throw money at them, that wasn't going to change their mind. They just wanted to make sure that I was really genuinely wanting to do this. So anyway, at the end of the day, but I did become a Microsoft Certified systems engineer. And I went into a local company that pretty well the largest employer in our in our area. And I thought, look, if I want to get into it, what to do is join that company, and then at least I can look at their notice boards and apply for any jobs. So I literally went in just as a customer service agent, absolutely hated. I hate working on the phone and selling things and all the rest of it. But I thought you know what, if I want to do this, but want to get a career in it, this is the only way I'm going to do it. And I tell you within two months, there was a vacancy on the board for a trainee net Works analyst. And I thought, brilliant I'm gonna apply for this. But of course, as you started reading down the job description and whatnot, it kept saying, Oh, well, you need a degree in computing, you need to have worked as a desktop support engineer for at least two years. And basically, let's face it reading in between the lines, you had to be a male 23 or 24. Right, right. So I thought, you know what, nothing to lose. Let me just apply. So anyway, at the end of the day, can other people had applied all guys all 2324 with computer degrees, and desktop experience, but it was me who got the job? And I remember, and I read the job, acceptance at least 30 times because I lived it. I just could not believe it. I thought, well, I'm 42, a female, and I've just got a man's job. Yeah, brilliant, you know. But the thing was, I asked the manager afterwards, I said, so why did you take me and not any of the other guys? He said, Well, you know, this is a trainee job, anybody can learn the techie stuff. But you have to be good with your customers. That's why we've taken you on to it meant that when I was out on the floor, the customer service agent was saying, You know what, I can't connect to the network. At least I could empathize with them and say, Oh, I know exactly what you mean. You need to be able to, you know, to speak to customers, you need to be able to see a screen and all the rest of that. So that was great. So I ended up I did that for about 10 years. And then I woke up one morning, I've always been into personal development, things like that. And I woke up one morning, this is back in 2008. And I looked across at my bookcase, and we had Tony Robbins sort of staring at me, and I thought, I want to be like Tony Robbins. So that meant finding out about neuro linguistic programming, finding out about hypnotherapy, learning how to be a public speaker. So literally, within a day, I resigned my job handed in my month's notice, cashed in my pension, and basically studied to be a hypnotherapist and NLP. Then, of course, as the years have progressed, I thought, you know what, that's great. I've got my mind adjusted, I'm helping people with their mind. But my physical fitness has to also come first. So I came a lot more sort of physically fit and whatnot. And I realized there was a huge, huge gap in the market, because there weren't personal trainers who are older, who could, you know, really empathize and whatnot with older men and women for that matter. Because, you know, you'll find older people will go to a personal trainer, and they'll be in their 20s, maybe their 30s. And they don't understand that as you get older, you begin to lose your balance. Obviously, your muscles aren't as good as they used to be your bones, you're worried about folding and things like that. Whereas I was able to actually empathize. And I knew exactly what that felt like. So that was quite a transition from certainly being a computer engineer, to now not fixing machines, but trying to fix people. That's what I'm doing. Oh my
Terry 08:33
gosh, that makes me tired. Just thinking about every. Yes, because I'm, I'm aging. I am aging no matter how timeless. He says I am. I mean, oh my gosh, what a lovely, incredible transformation you have. Yeah, learning all of that learning. I'm sure helps keep you young too. Oh, of course. Yes. I
Jan 08:59
mean, I feel that everybody's got to continually learn, you know, every day's a school day. That's right. Yeah. Oh, for sure.
Roy Barker 09:07
So you you mainly work with, I guess, men and women, but mostly women probably over 50 Is that correct?
Jan 09:17
Yeah, definitely women over 50 Yeah. Because obviously again, I can relate to women over 50 I mean, obviously, it doesn't matter whether you're a man or woman, you're you're both gonna, you know, are all gonna lose your muscle and you're going to lose bone and all the rest. But being a female, obviously, I can equate there. I'm certainly doing any one to one coaching is is definitely better.
Roy Barker 09:40
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And it's, you know, cuz I've been I've had trainers before and like you said, they're usually younger in good shape. And so, being older and out of shape, you know, they want to put you Well, I guess what I find is that sometimes, not just trainers, but sometimes you know, people that go through process. They have one process that they know. And they apply it to everybody, you know, whether you're 20 and in good shape or, you know, some other age that we won't mention and not as good as shape. And so I think that's a really value that you bring to the table is that, you know, since you've kind of been through this part of that process, is you can work with people of this age to stop where they're at, or where they need to be and not be like that. And then I'm sure that they are more comfortable with you. It's, it's always somebody that looks looks like yourself.
Jan 10:37
Yeah, yeah, yes. I mean, I've, you know, so many personal trainers are what I call, you know, the female version, or the Baywatch babes, you know, they're all very slim and slender, and they've got their ponytails and all the rest of it. And I think I cannot relate to that woman at all, you know. So I need somebody to be able to relate to. But the interesting thing is, I mean, I have my own personal trainer. But I just could not find anybody who was a female, and certainly nobody in my sort of age bracket. So I ended up and I still work with a guy, a guy from Spain, age 25, a power lifter, but we have built up a rapport, you know, so that works, you know, plus the fact he's worked with various age groups. So it's good he can, he knows that, what I would be capable of, and he'll give me challenges, but not make it impossible. That's the thing.
Roy Barker 11:38
Yeah. Because it's important to it's, well, it's important to have that comfort that we look alike. But I think it's also that connection. And the trust that, you know, you would have it that somebody has been through this, and you can kind of build up that rapport, that you're not gonna ask me to do something, that's, that's crazy. Yeah, then I'm gonna fail at is that, you know, you can help me and so I'm sure that, because that's one thing we always talk about when you, especially when you go select a new trainer or new program, really, whatever you're doing, if they don't ask you, your individual questions, you know, if they tried to push you into one plan fits all, red flag, but you also need to be comfortable with them. It's like there's multiple providers. And for you to get the very most out of it, especially in this realm is you have to have somebody that you're very comfortable with. And that's not exactly not asking too much, I don't think is that we, you know, sometimes we think, Oh, well, we just don't have any choices, or we don't want to look around. But it's it's great to find somebody that you're comfortable with.
Terry 12:47
Yes. Exactly. bedside manner huge. Yeah, everywhere. Yeah.
Roy Barker 12:53
Yeah, because I had a guy that I trained with for a while that he was a nice guy, he came to the house. And he was one of these that, you know, if I, if I was on the phone talking, and I couldn't get right to the door, and he would just start banging on the door, he'd come to the window, he's like, I know you're in there, open this door. He never, he never let me slide. But he would ask me to do some challenging things. But you know what, I had that trust in him that he, he knew when to quit, and he knew when to tell me
Terry 13:21
go down just a little man's best interest at heart.
Roy Barker 13:25
So So what are you finding that? You know, the clients that come to you? They have just been sedentary? They haven't done much? Or are they making a switch to you know, because of your, your maturity in the space? rz? Are these lights very light? Yes. Are these like housewives that have not done much? Or maybe they had an office job and have said or, you know, I guess maybe the better way to say it? Are they beginners? Are they people who are kind of in the midst of this journey?
Jan 14:03
Um, most women who come to me are definitely their main goal is to lose weight, that that's it, you know, and they are often desk bound. They do have desktop, you know, desk, jobs, that sort of thing. And they are looking because they're looking more at the long term. They're saying, You know what, I need to do something now, because of the future. I don't know what I'm going to be like in the future. And really, it's a case of me, basically assuring them that what we do is I will give them a personalized plan, which will meet their abilities and their goals. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, I certainly don't have one of these cookie cutter programs where I'm expecting everybody to be able to do 1000 jumping jacks in the next week, that's for sure. Yeah.
Terry 14:55
Well, and you, you, yourself. You started at 62 correct. Yeah, yeah. And you were able to lose some weight? What was that process like for you? And what was your turning point?
Jan 15:09
Well, the thing was with me, you know, funnily enough, I'd always sort of, I mean, up until in my 30s, I had always been, you know, a proper decent way if you like, but as the years have gone on, and before you know it, you put on weight without even realizing it, you know. So basically, what I did was, it was just a case of, but start eating more healthfully that that was it. And then, once I got, and the big difference was actually, once I started with a personal trainer, where I was doing consistently, you know, exercise all the time and whatnot. And I was getting more physically fit, I was building up muscle, which in turn was then building up my metabolism, which in turn was helping me burn more calories and whatnot. And the thing was, once I started this physical activity, I felt so much more confident in myself. And I think that's what made such a difference. But of course, now, because I've gone ahead to qualify as a personal trainer, I now have this label of being a personal trainer. So this is my identity now, so therefore, it's no difficulty keeping my weight down, because I know this is my identity. And this is who I am.
Terry 16:28
That's awesome.
Roy Barker 16:29
So when, when somebody comes to you brand new, what are some things that you do? I guess, to kind of feel them out to see where they're at in this journey? Or, you know, do you have kind of like some, I don't wanna call it a test. But do you have some things that you do? Just to kind of see, yeah, you know, what kind of endurance that they may have, if they can lift weights, things like that?
Jan 16:55
Yeah, I mean, first of all, everyone actually felt Well, I mean, obviously, they've got their medical forms to fill out, first of all, just to make sure you know, they are fit enough, you know, obviously, if they have any reservations, then I request, they go and see their doctor and all the rest of it, because we need the Okay, then they can do physical exercise. But I've also got a lifestyle questionnaire where they fill out, you know, what sort of things do they eat? What are their weaknesses, when it comes to what they eat? and what not. I want to know if they are actually already physically active, or is it a case of you haven't done any activity since you were at school or whatever? I then have four very, very basic assessment tests just to sort of see, you know, can they stand up and sit down? How many times can they do that, you know, from a chair in 30 seconds of certain thing. So it just gives me a much better idea for you know, where they're at at the moment, you know, and then I want to know, what they actually want to achieve at the end of the day. So that is when I then create their own workout plans. So whether they're one to one with me, or if it's online, it's all individualized for them.
Terry 18:08
Yeah, well, and that's what I was gonna say, I'm sure your pandemic probably boosted up all of your virtual training.
Jan 18:15
Oh, that's how we asked now, how'd you meet that challenge? Well, it was Judo funnily enough, Terry. When I went into personal training, the my plan, my business plan, if you like, was to be working in a gym for two years. And then I was going to go into the online world, because I suppose with my technical sort of background and whatnot, I much prefer, you know, the online sort of side of things. But as we know, two months in of working in a gym, and then suddenly the pandemic hit, gym was shut, that was it. So I had to really bring forward all my plans. And so I was actually sort of already ready for this. And to be honest, the pandemic is bad for some people, but for others, it's actually worked out really quite well for them. And that's, and I feel it's worked out quite well for me. Yeah.
Roy Barker 19:10
Yeah. You know, and that's kind of we talk about that a lot. We sometimes have that survivor's guilt because it's been a it's really been good for us as made us slow down. We do a lot more together a lot more around the house. And you know, there's been so many people impacted that have been sick have lost loved ones, you know, we'd lost incomes and things like that definitely. You know, our hearts go out to them but it's you're right there's been a definite line with winners and losers and you know, we count ourselves as blessed that you know, nobody that we are really I think Terry's had a few high school friends and I had one he was very sick, but you know, nobody that's lost their Well, I think Terry may have had a couple that lost their lives, but just you know, nobody really close in our family, which Yeah, this guy Good. But that you know that you mentioned this earlier when this is kind of a good segue into this is that I think this is what's got. what got us more motivated to create this show. And when we started talking about this is that we want to age well, and I don't think we give this enough thought, you know, when you're in your 20s, and 30s, we feel like we're bulletproof. And we can drink, smoke, eat, do you know, whatever we want to do? And we're not really thinking about when you're 7080? Well, unfortunately, in my time in my life, you know, the 70s, and 80s are a lot closer. So you know, it makes you just think for a minute that I don't want to be a burden. And so if I go into that age at poor health, then it's only gonna go downhill from there. I'm now getting away. Yeah. So do you work with a lot of people that you know that that's kind of on, they're not only getting healthy for today, but kind of thinking about that aging process? maybe having an aging parent that they've seen struggle?
Jan 21:03
Um, yeah, I would say so. The thing is that, you know, obviously, Roy, and Terry, we live in this world at the moment where everybody wants things right now. And they don't tend to look at the future. But and this is what I try and encourage people to do, you know, say, right, okay, you're, you know, you feel you're okay, now, but what are you going to be like, in five years time? 10 years time, whatever. Now, let's think of just the simple things. Are you going to be able to put your coke on without needing somebody to help you? I mean, these are just daily activities that, you know, you think, oh, I'll be able to do this forever. But there's so many people who can't, that's something you know, so we really have to zero in on what we're going to be doing in the future. Yeah.
Terry 21:51
Yeah, I was gonna say, Oh, my God, just thinking about the buttoning part of it. Yeah, no, just little things like that just all add up. And of course, the, the, where the more we age, the more important it becomes, you don't really realize that until it's like, Oh, I got a pain right here. I didn't have before when I was younger.
Roy Barker 22:12
Yeah, yeah, you're not even though we're talking about, you know, it would be better if people that the earlier they start, the better off it is for sure. And try to keep that momentum and build good habits, because that's another bad thing. At this age. You know, some of these bad habits are ingrained. And they're much, much harder to break. But, you know, talking about later in life, or, you know, there are a lot of things like the chair aerobics and I thought it was interesting that you use that as kind of one of your assessments is how many times you can get up because there are people. I mean, there's gonna be people who, if they're aging, and not in great health, I mean, maybe two or three times might be kind of their limit. That's right. That's the great thing is is, you know, talk to us about things that we can do, or programs that you could design for people in that situation.
Jan 23:05
Right. Well, I mean, obviously, the thing is that, the important thing is you're always moving. That's it. I mean, the thing is, you can be sitting watching TV, and we can still sit and sort of shrug your shoulders, move your shoulders about things like that. You don't have to go and run tomorrow. And that's for sure. But the thing is every sort of trying you know, even if you set your your fancy smartwatch or something like that, every 15 minutes to get up out of your seat and just walk around the room that age your mobility. That's the thing is that once you're over 50, there are so many different stages that people can be at. And we we know that I've been there can be weightlifters, 60 or 70. Right. But there can be people at 60 or 70, you literally find it difficult even just to stand up, you know, this is the thing. So that's why it's so important. But generally just do what you can, you know, move and keep moving. That's the important thing. I mean, we know that the government, for instance, outlines that we should be doing 150 minutes of exercise a week. All right. And it doesn't matter whether you're at 80 or 108. It's still 150 minutes a week. And you know, a lot of people might think, Wow, that's a lot. That's two and a half hours a week. Well, let's break this down half an hour a day, right. And that doesn't have to be half an hour, all in a wonder. We can do 10 minutes, 10 minutes in 10 minutes. And you know what the benefits you're going to derive from that. Think about that. You know, if I spend half an hour a day, being a bit more mobile, that means or it could mean in 1020 years time, I'm not going to be sitting in a corner in a care home, not being able to move that The difference.
Roy Barker 25:01
And if I'm not wrong, isn't there growing evidence that doing it 10 minutes three times a day may provide you a little bit more benefit than trying to do it. 30 minutes. And the other thing about that, too, I feel like if I do something, smaller segments through the day, I'm more likely to accomplish it, where if I'm waiting, you know, for six o'clock at night and thinking, I'm gonna go to the gym for an hour, o'clock rolls around, and then something happened and you're running late, or it's like, I had a bad day, I can't even get out. You know, it's like, you can always think of all these excuses.
Jan 25:35
Well, the thing is, Roy, that there is so much research going on, you know about Sport and Exercise, whatnot. And they're coming out with new findings all the time. I mean, remember, you know, they would say, Oh, you have to do 10,000 steps a day to stay healthy. But they come out with research now that if you do 10 minutes of a brisk walk, that equates to that, you know, so it's not I mean, if you're short of time, that is not an excuse. Yeah, you can achieve a lot in a short amount of time.
Roy Barker 26:07
Yeah, I've told this story a couple times, I'm sure the audience is going to be like, Oh, my God, we don't want to hear this again. But I had the fancy, I had the fancy watch that belongs with the phone, I'm not going to call their name out, but think would sink in and had some issues. And so I went back to a Fitbit, I'd had it previous to the fancy watch. And then I didn't really like fancy watch, I didn't use all the stuff. But anyway, this has a little reminder of every hour to get 250 steps in, which has been great for me, I don't do it as much as I should. But I really work on, you know, trying to get up and I can walk through the house, I don't have to get out. You know, it's, it's extremely hot right now where we're at. So, you know, during the day, when you're all clean, and you don't want to get out and break the sweat, and then have to come back and sit down and work. But you know, just walking around the house inside, I can achieve that. 250 stacks. Very simple, very simple. So you know, kind of like, what I say is that, now, if I can get to the gym, at five or six o'clock, I've already got like 2500 steps banked up, you know, from walk, I mean, I'm like halfway to, you know, we're on, I'd try to 10 1000s a little bit much for me, most days, I try to do, you know, five or six. And I'm very happy with that. So anyway, just those little efforts through the day really pushed me, you know, to be in halfway to my goal before I even have to.
Terry 27:39
Exactly, exactly. And we go ahead, I'm sorry,
Jan 27:44
sorry, I was just gonna say I mean, as Roy was saying, Just little things can make all the difference. I mean, you know, and they'll tell you, you know, when you're parking your car, just park a little bit further away from the store and all that and you know what, it actually does add up. And, you know, smartwatches, whatever they say about them. But you know, the best way of progress is to be able to monitor yourself your own progress. That's what it is. And if you can see the numbers going up, and you can say, Wow, compared to last week, look how much I've achieved. So you have that sense of achievement, and get more confident. And the more you achieve, the more you want to achieve.
Terry 28:25
Right? Yeah, it's all about those smaller goals and making better hat better habits long term. It just it helps if you can see your the results of what you're doing. It makes a big difference. And
Roy Barker 28:39
yeah, we'd live in an awesome time. Because, you know, when I was growing up when you were 6065 I mean, they were some people were literally literally chair bound and they just pants Yeah, there just wasn't much they could do. But now, you know, we see people living into their 80s and 90s who are very active, very healthy. And we've got you know, the internet is a nice thing, but we have a lot of affordable instruments that we can use at home you know, depending on what you want to accomplish. But you know one thing I've got that again, I don't use as much as I should but I got one it's the the band that not a band but a strap like a TX something or other. Yeah. Anyway, I just have it hanging over here. So you know, sometimes in between calls, I just get up go do a little bit. They are brilliant. Yes. Absolutely amazing. Yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I don't even use them, you can get down on the floor and do a lot with your legs with them as well. But they're, you know, it's a versatile thing to have around. I don't have to put out a lot of effort, but I can at least use that. I guess my body weight resistance and you know, get some upper arm stuff in during the day. So again, I think this is an awesome time that we live in so much at our disposal to help us out if we just take advantage of that.
Jan 29:59
Well, this is it. We have to grasp the opportunity, we have to sort of think Hold on, these things are available, you know, so we really want to take advantage of these things. Exactly.
Roy Barker 30:11
Yeah. And the So do you have any good shining examples of some people, and you don't have to call their name, of course, but that some people that have come to you in really poor shape that you've been able to, you know, work with to, you know, maybe help their balance or their mobility a lot more?
Jan 30:30
Oh, loads, I mean, the thing is that, it's funny, because when they come to me, first of all, you know, will do their assessment and all that, and they really can't achieve very much. And often they feel they probably won't be able to achieve very much. So a lot of it is mindset, that's the thing. It's a case of persuading them. Yes. I, you know, you might not be able to see your potential, but I can see your potential, you know, and, I mean, for instance, if it was a woman I was working with, and I said, You know, I mean, I laughed about jumping jacks, but there's nothing wrong with an 18 year old doing jumping jacks, they are perfectly capable of doing them. If they put their mind to it. That's the thing. And you know, she just, Oh, no, I can't do that. I can't do that, you know, but now, I mean, I can get her doing those as part of regular part of her workout. And she says, You know what, it's the jumping jacks, that actually made me really feel great after my session with you. So it's funny how your mind often tells you, I cannot do this. And sometimes you need somebody else to say, Yes, you can. Oh, yeah,
Terry 31:37
you need that in somebody to help you quell your inner critic, because that exact right there is just, oh,
Roy Barker 31:44
yeah, you can't discount having the accountability partner. And that's kind of like the guy that I trained with, even though he was good at designing things for me to do. You know, the other thing I'll say is that I wouldn't pace my personal opinion is I wouldn't pay somebody to stand in a gym and count reps for me on a machine, you know, and I've seen that a lot. And it kind of makes me snicker. But like my guy. He would, you know, he designed all these things he had quirky, like a piano Doc, a half ball with a platform, and you could stand on the ball sometimes. That's right. Yeah. But you know, he was always like, trying to work on the core, as well as the extremities. But the accountability is what he, I think that he provided me the most is that, you know, you had to show up, and then also that encouragement, like the days when I'd be like, Oh, I can't take it, you know, I'm done. He'd be like, Nah, come on, you're making good progress. let you know that he could remind you where you were, you know, two, three months ago, and how much progress? No, I don't feel it. So I think that's a great part of that
Jan 32:48
not, that's actually one thing. I mean, I have my 15 week online program for women, you know, too. And so we focus on mindset, losing weight, and you know, being more physically active. Now, what I'll do is I will give them workout programs, no watch videos, do it. Okay, I'm not there to count up to 10, or whatever. But that that is really what a personal trainer does. But what I do is I offer the accountability at the end of the week, where we talk on zoom or whatever, and I can see, look, how are you progressing? Have you got any problems? Do you feel we have to adjust the program or something like that? So what they'll sort of think, Oh, I better do these two workouts, because John's gonna check up on me on Sunday, you know?
Roy Barker 33:35
Yeah, yeah. When Jan calls me has put my cigarette down and had my beer camera.
Terry 33:41
It's all in mom's checking in. Oh, my God. Yeah.
Roy Barker 33:48
Let's talk about that for a minute to the mindset. Because, you know, as I said, in the intro, when we first started this, it was a lot about what we ate and our diet and trying to get this dialed in, and exercise. You know, no, you know, my opinion is, you can lose weight without the exercise, but the exercise is what makes me feel good and feel healthy. When I'm feeling good and feeling healthy, I tend to eat better, like when I'm not losing, then it's easier to eat bad. So But anyway, so we've kind of made that progression. But, you know, now we've really gotten into this mindset, because we want to make sustainable changes. We want to make incremental changes that we can, you know, not like make these big, sweeping things like that are harder to deal with, because there's such a big change, but just the little bitty things every day add up, but we've got to have the right mindset for that. And so, that's a big part of what you can provide as well as you know, that encouragement, but also helping people change that. Maybe negative. I don't know what what are, what do you say? Well, I
Jan 34:57
mean, the thing is, I mean, obviously I'll speak to a lot of people And they'll say, Oh, the diet I was on, it doesn't work. Because you know, I mean, it worked at the time. But you know, when I came off it, then I just put the weight back on. And I'll just tell them, that's because you have not changed your actual habits, right? That's what has to change. If you rather than setting long term goals, let's set daily goals, you know, and say, Look, okay, well, today, I'm going to make sure I have five portions of vegetables or whatever. And it's little process goals that make all the difference. And even as you were saying, ROI, once you start exercising, you feel so much better. And then you sort of think, well, let's start eating better, then. Yeah. So it's it, it is, it's just a very small changes that can lead to huge, huge changes.
Terry 35:51
For every age. Yeah, across the board, right?
Roy Barker 35:55
Yeah. And I was just gonna ask, do you feel that? Is it harder to teach an old dog new tricks? Or? Or is it you know, if people show up and they've got the right mindset? Is it pretty easy to engage and get them to make some changes?
Jan 36:10
Well, this is it, there are probably a lot of people out there who are just far too set in their ways. You know, they'll say, no, sorry, you know, I'm 65, I'm 70. I'm too old to do this, that the next thing, and, okay, you can try and sort of, you know, help them see the benefits and all that. But there are some who are just totally stubborn, they are not going to do anything, you know, whereas there are a lot of others who are very open to suggestions for any help they can get. And these are really the people I work with, there's no point in trying to, you know, deal with somebody who just doesn't want to change it, you know, because you yourself have to want to change. And do you know, I also make sure that when I take on new clients, that it's they who want to change? I'm not really wanting anybody who said, Oh, well, my doctor told me I have to lose weight, right? That's not really gonna work, because they need themselves to know that they want to lose weight.
Terry 37:10
Well, and they have different issues. I mean, some some of them have the type two diabetes, some of them have just different issues that they need to work on as well. So do you approach it? I guess you would approach it? It's just customizable. Yeah.
Jan 37:29
Oh, it totally, totally. That's the thing is I say, I mean, what I would I could do, I suppose in theory, I could just churn out courses, you know, $37 courses, and it would be totally cookie cutter. And people either they liked it, or they didn't, you know what, I wouldn't make any transformations, you know, they wouldn't change, they would just be getting more of the same information they've always had. So it's all about working with people as individuals, and basically adjusting it to what they can do and what they need to do. That's the thing, you know, because, I mean, obviously, you have people who I mean, I actually have a few people who, because they are overweight, they, you know, their knees are really sore, you know. So what you have to do is you have to adjust the exercise program, you know, to suit them. Yeah.
Roy Barker 38:21
Yeah, like that. That's good to hear. Because like I said earlier, we always recommend that, you know, if you somebody that you're thinking about working with, if they've like, I've got a plan that's worked for, you know, other people, here it is, it's a red flag. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying it's a red flag for me is I need, I want to make sure that you have that engagement. You're asking me my questions, like, you know, do you even like to run you know, because I don't mind walking, I don't mind lifting weights, but I don't want to run and you know, my thing my motto for most of my life has been in I played sports where I had to, but as an adult, I'm like, you know, when I drive down the road, and I see a guy running that smile, and I might think about taking it up, but you know, most of them are usually in agony.
Terry 39:08
You know, we don't know. But uh,
Roy Barker 39:11
yeah, I think it's so important to inexpensively as we age because I don't want to generalize, but I'm gonna say 20s 30s, maybe into your 40s it's probably pretty generic, with some outliers. But when you get to the, you know, the 50s 60s and 70s bunch, everybody is so different, not only in where they're at, but also the ailments, afflictions, you know, things exactly, yeah. Yeah.
Terry 39:38
Yeah. The neuro. Yeah. Because you could have the neurological issues. You could have, you know, the movement in Parkinson's or anything like Do you have any? Do you have any people that you work with that have certain issues that they're wanting to deal with or head off or any any specific? Well, I
Jan 39:57
mean, certainly a lot of my clients have already Have you been diagnosed as diabetic? Yeah. So, you know, so obviously, you are but again, you're really just dealing with trying to get their weight down, you know, where they're eating, you know, far more healthfully? And things like this. I mean, that's one thing I go do, I don't have a diet plan is such I mean, nobody follows a particular diet plan, because it's all about changing your habits. That's the thing, you know. So there's no point in saying to people they have to chicken all day, if they don't like chicken. That's right. So they really have to what I try and get them in more into the way of having a better idea of the calorie effects or content foods and things like that. And also get acquainted with portion sizes. Because as you know, in the 70s, you know, I'm talking about in the 1970s. portion sizes were very, very much smaller than they are now. No, I mean, it used to be you go off to a restaurant, and you get this huge, huge portion, and think, Oh, this is a treat, because I'm out in a restaurant. But now, these are just the normal amounts of food that people are eating at home. Yeah,
Roy Barker 41:11
yeah, it's, it's crazy. And I think that, to me, that's the very first easy step on the nutritional side is if you just start reading labels, because there are things that you've just grown up eating that you don't realize, you know, like, for me being a diabetic, how many carbs are in that, but then also strategically, eating like, you know, like, I try to be at 40 to 60 carbs a day is kind of where my limit is, and which is fine, but I can't eat 60 for dinner, you know, and then go to bed, you have to, yeah, it gets it gets complicated, because then you can eat some with fiber that releases slower. And, you know, there's all these little things, but my thing is just start by reading labels and seeing what's hidden. The other thing that I found is salt. You know, this this, yeah, back to getting away from processed foods. Because whenever you're reading something on a bag, it's probably been processed, and it's probably gonna have a lot of salt in it.
Jan 42:11
Exactly. Yeah. I mean, when you think on it, there's so much so called food nowadays that really isn't for you. You know, the thing is that during the processing, thing, that I mean, they've lost all their vitamins and minerals, oh, their goodness. And then of course, these manufacturers then have to put all these vitamins back in. And then on the marketing side, then they go and say with added vitamins and overspent and everybody thinks, Oh, this is healthy. I'm gonna find this.
Terry 42:42
Yes. Yeah. That's so true. Oh, my gosh. Well,
Roy Barker 42:46
Jan, is there anything else? Any other thoughts you want to leave us with? Before we wrap up?
Jan 42:52
I think really, it's a case of I don't think it matters, what age you are, you can make major changes in your life, you know, and they don't have to be huge changes, just small ones can make all the difference, you know. So as well as eating healthily, moving, trying to keep your mind active all the time, you know, look at different things. I mean, little hobbies, you can maybe start up or whatever, there's always opportunities to learn more stuff. And those are the three things healthy eating, exercise and keeping your mind active.
Roy Barker 43:27
Oh, yeah, there's a good book, it's been a while since it came out. It's called the slight edge. And there's some other books that are based on the same principle. But what this guy talks about is that these little bitty things that people do, that we don't see that become successful, and it kind of translates into these smaller changes, but consistently doing it every day. Yeah, you know, he was like, you know, the baseball player, you know, in practice, you hit so many baseballs or they get so many cuts added. And then, but he said, the guy that goes to the batting cage after practice, and hits like 500 balls every day, if he went one day and hit 500 extra balls, you're not going to see much change in his work. But if he goes his 500 balls every day for six months, for a year, now, all of a sudden, you start seeing that incremental change, because of all this, you know, the, I guess the smaller steps that he has been taking that are extra, yes. You know, kind of the same thing is like he said, you can look at it two ways, like if you are healthy and you go out and eat a Big Mac, probably not going to hurt you that much. Now, if you go out and start eating one every day, then after some period of time, you're going to see the effect and vice versa. If you eat a Big Mac every day and you quit one day, you're not gonna see much change if you just keep eating. So, you know, it's just that those little bitty things that we can do daily in?
Jan 45:01
I think this is this is the thing about daily because you know, people will often ask how long does it change? Uh huh. You know, how long does it take to change a habit? And they've come away with various sort of ideas and whatnot. And for instance, the 21 days, they reckon you can change your habit. But you're not gonna change your habit if you only do it once in those 21 days, right. But it's not the amount of time it's the number of times you do it. That's the important thing.
Roy Barker 45:28
Yeah, right. All right. Well, that's good advice. Jan, we certainly appreciate it. Is there a tool or a habit? Is there something that you do in your daily life, that really adds a lot of value?
Jan 45:42
I think really, when I get up in the morning, you, you want to look on the positive side, that's basically because, you know, you make your own reality, you know, during the day, you know, and really think, right, what am I going to achieve today can just be a small thing, like, I'm going to clean out a drawer in my kitchen or something like that, but achieved something and you feel that you've achieved something and you want to achieve more, and it makes you feel great. Yeah, I love being able to tick off from my list, I
Terry 46:16
love being able to mark through that line. Because, you know, so many times I'm just like, going on and on and on just running around in circles. I'm like, days ended what's happened. I was busy.
Roy Barker 46:29
Alright, what tell people who do you like to work with? How can you help them? And of course, how can they reach out and get a hold of you?
Jan 46:37
Okay, I'm certainly I love to work with women over the age of 50. I mean, I'm saying 50. If you're 40. And you're desperately wanting to measure, by all means, let me know, you know, but certainly, it's certainly the older women that I tend to deal with. And they are professional women who are probably sitting in a desk job a lot of the time or they've retired from having quite a high stressful job and whatnot. These are definitely the people I want to work with. And, as I said, my programs are all individualized for everybody. So your best bet probably is to get a hold, you know, see me see my website. And that is janmalloch.com. That is where you're going to see me. And, again, if you want to go onto Google, just type in Jan Malloch, and you'll see loads of me around.
Terry 47:32
And Malik is ma LL. O ch. That said,
Roy Barker 47:38
yeah, we will include all that in the show notes. But that's the that is worth mentioning the spelling there. All right, well, good enough. Well, thanks a lot. Well, that's gonna do it for another episode of feeding fatty Of course. I am your host, Roy. I'm sorry. that's gonna do it for another. Oh my gosh, educational. Now, you're good. You're good. Oh my gosh, losing my mind. You can find us of [email protected] we're on all the major podcast platforms, Google, Stitcher, Spotify. It's and we also want all major social media platforms we spend most of our time probably on Instagram. So please go check us out and a video of this interview will go up on YouTube when the episode goes live. So again, thank you for your time. Take care of yourself and age healthy.
Terry 48:29
Thanks, Jen.
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Pivoting to Activity and Helping Others, Its Never Too Late with Jan Malloch
And I realized there was a huge, huge gap in the market because there weren't personal trainers who are older, who could, you know, really empathize and whatnot with older men and women for that matter. Because, you know, you'll find older people will go to a personal trainer, and they'll be in their 20s, maybe their 30s.
About Jan
I'm a Fitness and Lifestyle Transformation coach for professional women over 50.
I totally transformed my life at 62. I lost weight and qualified as a personal trainer specializing in helping older women to be fitter.
Prior to this change, I never fully appreciated the importance of health and fitness, especially as you get older.
I worked at a desk job, and was sedentary most of the time. Doing any form of physical exercise never entered my mind. I then came to the stark realization that my poor eating habits and lack of mobility were killing me.
That's when I made the decision to do something about my life. The thought of ending up in a care home, sitting in the corner dribbling and being immobile really scared me.
Unlike the vast majority of personal trainers, I know exactly how it feels to struggle to lose weight and how exhausting it is to be unfit.
I also know how it feels to be older! All of these experiences have given me a much better understanding and empathy with my clients. I can personally relate to all of the women I work with - and they in turn relate to me.
Let me ask you...do you relate to any of the following?
Perhaps, as an older woman, you focus too much of your time on your work and families, to the detriment of your own health and well-being.
Returning from work after a hectic and stressful day, you are then faced with trying to sort out the problems that your husband and kids are going through.
A feeling of exhaustion and overwhelm often results in reaching for that wine bottle and ordering a takeout meal - just to escape from the havoc that is enveloping you.
Much of the evening is spent in front of the TV. You continually make poor lifestyle choices regards your health, which leads to weight gain, lethargy and fatigue.
And the more weight you put on, the more fatigued and stressed you become.
My role is to stop this vicious cycle. I help older women to appreciate the critical importance of prioritizing their own health and fitness so that they can enjoy a dramatically improved healthy quality of life.
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Pivoting to Activity and Helping Others, Its Never Too Late with Jan Malloch
Sun, 6/27 1:04PM • 48:32
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
people, eating, thought, personal trainer, age, day, lose, whatnot, job, weight, minutes, terry, mindset, roy, achieve, exercise, good, women, customer service agent, feel
SPEAKERS
Jan, Terry, Roy Barker
Roy Barker 00:08
Hello, and welcome to another episode of AGEucational This is Roy, this is Terry. So we're a podcast that we try to present a lot of different spends on the aging process things for the aging, not only I'll speak for myself, I'm going through the aging process Terry, she is timeless, has an aged in the last 25 years, so
Terry 00:28
I can.
Roy Barker 00:30
But also, you know, we, we deal with our parents, they have different issues, Terry unfortunately lost her father to Alzheimer's a few years back. So but we're getting into that point that our parents need a little bit more help and trying to have some guidance, before we get into crisis situations trying to avert that. And also we have guests. So typically for our new listeners, Tuesdays, we release an episode, where we have a guest could be a professional that deals with aging, it could be somebody that's gone through the process or going through something specific. And then on Thursdays, our episodes are more specifically for our journey, some things we're seeing. And then also, we've been heavily focused on the dementia or Alzheimer's, just bring in some new information as it's unfolding. But anyway, today, we've got an awesome guest, Jan, I'm gonna let Terry introduce you, and then we'll get to it.
Terry 01:28
Jan Malloch is a fitness and lifestyle transformation coach for professional women over 50, who totally transformed her life at 62. She lost weight and qualified as a personal trainer specializing in helping older women to be fitter. And also, she worked at a desk job and was very sedentary most of the time. So Jan, I'm gonna let you talk a little bit about that. Brittany, tell us a little bit about your background. How you came to this point,
Jan 02:02
right? Well, actually, to be honest, I've had a number of careers in my life. So I'm just going to go and let's run through some of these because, you know, it's been quite quite a chasm, you know, of, you know, changes and all the rest. But so anyway, when I went to university, and then I went into the civil service. So basically my job, I worked in the Department of Employment, and I was just interviewing people all day, you know, so that was great. It was great fun. But again, obviously, I'm just sitting there at my office all day. In my 30s, I became a mother. So I was away from the, you know, the, the vocational job scene for a long time, went back in 1995, only to discover that suddenly, computers had invaded the workplace. So, and I had not got a clue, I had not got a clue. So I went back again, as just an interviewer, I didn't have to worry about working, you know, with a computer and let that and, and then they sent me on a word course and an Excel course, on how to use a computer. And I absolutely fell in love with it. And to cut a very long story short, I ended up becoming a computer engineer. Right. Wow. So that was quite a transformation. Because what happened was, I started building these computers in the house. And then I thought Whoa, light bulb went on. And this is going to be my career. This is what I want, you know. So I actually started qualifying I got various qualifications in it. But the interesting thing is I was a woman, aged 42 trying to get into it. And you know what, when the training people were saying to me, Oh, you mean, you want to learn how to type? I said, No, no, no, I want to be a computer engineer. And I tell you, it took a lot of me trying to sell myself before they would even accept we own the course, you know, I could throw money at them, that wasn't going to change their mind. They just wanted to make sure that I was really genuinely wanting to do this. So anyway, at the end of the day, but I did become a Microsoft Certified systems engineer. And I went into a local company that pretty well the largest employer in our in our area. And I thought, look, if I want to get into it, what to do is join that company, and then at least I can look at their notice boards and apply for any jobs. So I literally went in just as a customer service agent, absolutely hated. I hate working on the phone and selling things and all the rest of it. But I thought you know what, if I want to do this, but want to get a career in it, this is the only way I'm going to do it. And I tell you within two months, there was a vacancy on the board for a trainee net Works analyst. And I thought, brilliant I'm gonna apply for this. But of course, as you started reading down the job description and whatnot, it kept saying, Oh, well, you need a degree in computing, you need to have worked as a desktop support engineer for at least two years. And basically, let's face it reading in between the lines, you had to be a male 23 or 24. Right, right. So I thought, you know what, nothing to lose. Let me just apply. So anyway, at the end of the day, can other people had applied all guys all 2324 with computer degrees, and desktop experience, but it was me who got the job? And I remember, and I read the job, acceptance at least 30 times because I lived it. I just could not believe it. I thought, well, I'm 42, a female, and I've just got a man's job. Yeah, brilliant, you know. But the thing was, I asked the manager afterwards, I said, so why did you take me and not any of the other guys? He said, Well, you know, this is a trainee job, anybody can learn the techie stuff. But you have to be good with your customers. That's why we've taken you on to it meant that when I was out on the floor, the customer service agent was saying, You know what, I can't connect to the network. At least I could empathize with them and say, Oh, I know exactly what you mean. You need to be able to, you know, to speak to customers, you need to be able to see a screen and all the rest of that. So that was great. So I ended up I did that for about 10 years. And then I woke up one morning, I've always been into personal development, things like that. And I woke up one morning, this is back in 2008. And I looked across at my bookcase, and we had Tony Robbins sort of staring at me, and I thought, I want to be like Tony Robbins. So that meant finding out about neuro linguistic programming, finding out about hypnotherapy, learning how to be a public speaker. So literally, within a day, I resigned my job handed in my month's notice, cashed in my pension, and basically studied to be a hypnotherapist and NLP. Then, of course, as the years have progressed, I thought, you know what, that's great. I've got my mind adjusted, I'm helping people with their mind. But my physical fitness has to also come first. So I came a lot more sort of physically fit and whatnot. And I realized there was a huge, huge gap in the market, because there weren't personal trainers who are older, who could, you know, really empathize and whatnot with older men and women for that matter. Because, you know, you'll find older people will go to a personal trainer, and they'll be in their 20s, maybe their 30s. And they don't understand that as you get older, you begin to lose your balance. Obviously, your muscles aren't as good as they used to be your bones, you're worried about folding and things like that. Whereas I was able to actually empathize. And I knew exactly what that felt like. So that was quite a transition from certainly being a computer engineer, to now not fixing machines, but trying to fix people. That's what I'm doing. Oh my
Terry 08:33
gosh, that makes me tired. Just thinking about every. Yes, because I'm, I'm aging. I am aging no matter how timeless. He says I am. I mean, oh my gosh, what a lovely, incredible transformation you have. Yeah, learning all of that learning. I'm sure helps keep you young too. Oh, of course. Yes. I
Jan 08:59
mean, I feel that everybody's got to continually learn, you know, every day's a school day. That's right. Yeah. Oh, for sure.
Roy Barker 09:07
So you you mainly work with, I guess, men and women, but mostly women probably over 50 Is that correct?
Jan 09:17
Yeah, definitely women over 50 Yeah. Because obviously again, I can relate to women over 50 I mean, obviously, it doesn't matter whether you're a man or woman, you're you're both gonna, you know, are all gonna lose your muscle and you're going to lose bone and all the rest. But being a female, obviously, I can equate there. I'm certainly doing any one to one coaching is is definitely better.
Roy Barker 09:40
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And it's, you know, cuz I've been I've had trainers before and like you said, they're usually younger in good shape. And so, being older and out of shape, you know, they want to put you Well, I guess what I find is that sometimes, not just trainers, but sometimes you know, people that go through process. They have one process that they know. And they apply it to everybody, you know, whether you're 20 and in good shape or, you know, some other age that we won't mention and not as good as shape. And so I think that's a really value that you bring to the table is that, you know, since you've kind of been through this part of that process, is you can work with people of this age to stop where they're at, or where they need to be and not be like that. And then I'm sure that they are more comfortable with you. It's, it's always somebody that looks looks like yourself.
Jan 10:37
Yeah, yeah, yes. I mean, I've, you know, so many personal trainers are what I call, you know, the female version, or the Baywatch babes, you know, they're all very slim and slender, and they've got their ponytails and all the rest of it. And I think I cannot relate to that woman at all, you know. So I need somebody to be able to relate to. But the interesting thing is, I mean, I have my own personal trainer. But I just could not find anybody who was a female, and certainly nobody in my sort of age bracket. So I ended up and I still work with a guy, a guy from Spain, age 25, a power lifter, but we have built up a rapport, you know, so that works, you know, plus the fact he's worked with various age groups. So it's good he can, he knows that, what I would be capable of, and he'll give me challenges, but not make it impossible. That's the thing.
Roy Barker 11:38
Yeah. Because it's important to it's, well, it's important to have that comfort that we look alike. But I think it's also that connection. And the trust that, you know, you would have it that somebody has been through this, and you can kind of build up that rapport, that you're not gonna ask me to do something, that's, that's crazy. Yeah, then I'm gonna fail at is that, you know, you can help me and so I'm sure that, because that's one thing we always talk about when you, especially when you go select a new trainer or new program, really, whatever you're doing, if they don't ask you, your individual questions, you know, if they tried to push you into one plan fits all, red flag, but you also need to be comfortable with them. It's like there's multiple providers. And for you to get the very most out of it, especially in this realm is you have to have somebody that you're very comfortable with. And that's not exactly not asking too much, I don't think is that we, you know, sometimes we think, Oh, well, we just don't have any choices, or we don't want to look around. But it's it's great to find somebody that you're comfortable with.
Terry 12:47
Yes. Exactly. bedside manner huge. Yeah, everywhere. Yeah.
Roy Barker 12:53
Yeah, because I had a guy that I trained with for a while that he was a nice guy, he came to the house. And he was one of these that, you know, if I, if I was on the phone talking, and I couldn't get right to the door, and he would just start banging on the door, he'd come to the window, he's like, I know you're in there, open this door. He never, he never let me slide. But he would ask me to do some challenging things. But you know what, I had that trust in him that he, he knew when to quit, and he knew when to tell me
Terry 13:21
go down just a little man's best interest at heart.
Roy Barker 13:25
So So what are you finding that? You know, the clients that come to you? They have just been sedentary? They haven't done much? Or are they making a switch to you know, because of your, your maturity in the space? rz? Are these lights very light? Yes. Are these like housewives that have not done much? Or maybe they had an office job and have said or, you know, I guess maybe the better way to say it? Are they beginners? Are they people who are kind of in the midst of this journey?
Jan 14:03
Um, most women who come to me are definitely their main goal is to lose weight, that that's it, you know, and they are often desk bound. They do have desktop, you know, desk, jobs, that sort of thing. And they are looking because they're looking more at the long term. They're saying, You know what, I need to do something now, because of the future. I don't know what I'm going to be like in the future. And really, it's a case of me, basically assuring them that what we do is I will give them a personalized plan, which will meet their abilities and their goals. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, I certainly don't have one of these cookie cutter programs where I'm expecting everybody to be able to do 1000 jumping jacks in the next week, that's for sure. Yeah.
Terry 14:55
Well, and you, you, yourself. You started at 62 correct. Yeah, yeah. And you were able to lose some weight? What was that process like for you? And what was your turning point?
Jan 15:09
Well, the thing was with me, you know, funnily enough, I'd always sort of, I mean, up until in my 30s, I had always been, you know, a proper decent way if you like, but as the years have gone on, and before you know it, you put on weight without even realizing it, you know. So basically, what I did was, it was just a case of, but start eating more healthfully that that was it. And then, once I got, and the big difference was actually, once I started with a personal trainer, where I was doing consistently, you know, exercise all the time and whatnot. And I was getting more physically fit, I was building up muscle, which in turn was then building up my metabolism, which in turn was helping me burn more calories and whatnot. And the thing was, once I started this physical activity, I felt so much more confident in myself. And I think that's what made such a difference. But of course, now, because I've gone ahead to qualify as a personal trainer, I now have this label of being a personal trainer. So this is my identity now, so therefore, it's no difficulty keeping my weight down, because I know this is my identity. And this is who I am.
Terry 16:28
That's awesome.
Roy Barker 16:29
So when, when somebody comes to you brand new, what are some things that you do? I guess, to kind of feel them out to see where they're at in this journey? Or, you know, do you have kind of like some, I don't wanna call it a test. But do you have some things that you do? Just to kind of see, yeah, you know, what kind of endurance that they may have, if they can lift weights, things like that?
Jan 16:55
Yeah, I mean, first of all, everyone actually felt Well, I mean, obviously, they've got their medical forms to fill out, first of all, just to make sure you know, they are fit enough, you know, obviously, if they have any reservations, then I request, they go and see their doctor and all the rest of it, because we need the Okay, then they can do physical exercise. But I've also got a lifestyle questionnaire where they fill out, you know, what sort of things do they eat? What are their weaknesses, when it comes to what they eat? and what not. I want to know if they are actually already physically active, or is it a case of you haven't done any activity since you were at school or whatever? I then have four very, very basic assessment tests just to sort of see, you know, can they stand up and sit down? How many times can they do that, you know, from a chair in 30 seconds of certain thing. So it just gives me a much better idea for you know, where they're at at the moment, you know, and then I want to know, what they actually want to achieve at the end of the day. So that is when I then create their own workout plans. So whether they're one to one with me, or if it's online, it's all individualized for them.
Terry 18:08
Yeah, well, and that's what I was gonna say, I'm sure your pandemic probably boosted up all of your virtual training.
Jan 18:15
Oh, that's how we asked now, how'd you meet that challenge? Well, it was Judo funnily enough, Terry. When I went into personal training, the my plan, my business plan, if you like, was to be working in a gym for two years. And then I was going to go into the online world, because I suppose with my technical sort of background and whatnot, I much prefer, you know, the online sort of side of things. But as we know, two months in of working in a gym, and then suddenly the pandemic hit, gym was shut, that was it. So I had to really bring forward all my plans. And so I was actually sort of already ready for this. And to be honest, the pandemic is bad for some people, but for others, it's actually worked out really quite well for them. And that's, and I feel it's worked out quite well for me. Yeah.
Roy Barker 19:10
Yeah. You know, and that's kind of we talk about that a lot. We sometimes have that survivor's guilt because it's been a it's really been good for us as made us slow down. We do a lot more together a lot more around the house. And you know, there's been so many people impacted that have been sick have lost loved ones, you know, we'd lost incomes and things like that definitely. You know, our hearts go out to them but it's you're right there's been a definite line with winners and losers and you know, we count ourselves as blessed that you know, nobody that we are really I think Terry's had a few high school friends and I had one he was very sick, but you know, nobody that's lost their Well, I think Terry may have had a couple that lost their lives, but just you know, nobody really close in our family, which Yeah, this guy Good. But that you know that you mentioned this earlier when this is kind of a good segue into this is that I think this is what's got. what got us more motivated to create this show. And when we started talking about this is that we want to age well, and I don't think we give this enough thought, you know, when you're in your 20s, and 30s, we feel like we're bulletproof. And we can drink, smoke, eat, do you know, whatever we want to do? And we're not really thinking about when you're 7080? Well, unfortunately, in my time in my life, you know, the 70s, and 80s are a lot closer. So you know, it makes you just think for a minute that I don't want to be a burden. And so if I go into that age at poor health, then it's only gonna go downhill from there. I'm now getting away. Yeah. So do you work with a lot of people that you know that that's kind of on, they're not only getting healthy for today, but kind of thinking about that aging process? maybe having an aging parent that they've seen struggle?
Jan 21:03
Um, yeah, I would say so. The thing is that, you know, obviously, Roy, and Terry, we live in this world at the moment where everybody wants things right now. And they don't tend to look at the future. But and this is what I try and encourage people to do, you know, say, right, okay, you're, you know, you feel you're okay, now, but what are you going to be like, in five years time? 10 years time, whatever. Now, let's think of just the simple things. Are you going to be able to put your coke on without needing somebody to help you? I mean, these are just daily activities that, you know, you think, oh, I'll be able to do this forever. But there's so many people who can't, that's something you know, so we really have to zero in on what we're going to be doing in the future. Yeah.
Terry 21:51
Yeah, I was gonna say, Oh, my God, just thinking about the buttoning part of it. Yeah, no, just little things like that just all add up. And of course, the, the, where the more we age, the more important it becomes, you don't really realize that until it's like, Oh, I got a pain right here. I didn't have before when I was younger.
Roy Barker 22:12
Yeah, yeah, you're not even though we're talking about, you know, it would be better if people that the earlier they start, the better off it is for sure. And try to keep that momentum and build good habits, because that's another bad thing. At this age. You know, some of these bad habits are ingrained. And they're much, much harder to break. But, you know, talking about later in life, or, you know, there are a lot of things like the chair aerobics and I thought it was interesting that you use that as kind of one of your assessments is how many times you can get up because there are people. I mean, there's gonna be people who, if they're aging, and not in great health, I mean, maybe two or three times might be kind of their limit. That's right. That's the great thing is is, you know, talk to us about things that we can do, or programs that you could design for people in that situation.
Jan 23:05
Right. Well, I mean, obviously, the thing is that, the important thing is you're always moving. That's it. I mean, the thing is, you can be sitting watching TV, and we can still sit and sort of shrug your shoulders, move your shoulders about things like that. You don't have to go and run tomorrow. And that's for sure. But the thing is every sort of trying you know, even if you set your your fancy smartwatch or something like that, every 15 minutes to get up out of your seat and just walk around the room that age your mobility. That's the thing is that once you're over 50, there are so many different stages that people can be at. And we we know that I've been there can be weightlifters, 60 or 70. Right. But there can be people at 60 or 70, you literally find it difficult even just to stand up, you know, this is the thing. So that's why it's so important. But generally just do what you can, you know, move and keep moving. That's the important thing. I mean, we know that the government, for instance, outlines that we should be doing 150 minutes of exercise a week. All right. And it doesn't matter whether you're at 80 or 108. It's still 150 minutes a week. And you know, a lot of people might think, Wow, that's a lot. That's two and a half hours a week. Well, let's break this down half an hour a day, right. And that doesn't have to be half an hour, all in a wonder. We can do 10 minutes, 10 minutes in 10 minutes. And you know what the benefits you're going to derive from that. Think about that. You know, if I spend half an hour a day, being a bit more mobile, that means or it could mean in 1020 years time, I'm not going to be sitting in a corner in a care home, not being able to move that The difference.
Roy Barker 25:01
And if I'm not wrong, isn't there growing evidence that doing it 10 minutes three times a day may provide you a little bit more benefit than trying to do it. 30 minutes. And the other thing about that, too, I feel like if I do something, smaller segments through the day, I'm more likely to accomplish it, where if I'm waiting, you know, for six o'clock at night and thinking, I'm gonna go to the gym for an hour, o'clock rolls around, and then something happened and you're running late, or it's like, I had a bad day, I can't even get out. You know, it's like, you can always think of all these excuses.
Jan 25:35
Well, the thing is, Roy, that there is so much research going on, you know about Sport and Exercise, whatnot. And they're coming out with new findings all the time. I mean, remember, you know, they would say, Oh, you have to do 10,000 steps a day to stay healthy. But they come out with research now that if you do 10 minutes of a brisk walk, that equates to that, you know, so it's not I mean, if you're short of time, that is not an excuse. Yeah, you can achieve a lot in a short amount of time.
Roy Barker 26:07
Yeah, I've told this story a couple times, I'm sure the audience is going to be like, Oh, my God, we don't want to hear this again. But I had the fancy, I had the fancy watch that belongs with the phone, I'm not going to call their name out, but think would sink in and had some issues. And so I went back to a Fitbit, I'd had it previous to the fancy watch. And then I didn't really like fancy watch, I didn't use all the stuff. But anyway, this has a little reminder of every hour to get 250 steps in, which has been great for me, I don't do it as much as I should. But I really work on, you know, trying to get up and I can walk through the house, I don't have to get out. You know, it's, it's extremely hot right now where we're at. So, you know, during the day, when you're all clean, and you don't want to get out and break the sweat, and then have to come back and sit down and work. But you know, just walking around the house inside, I can achieve that. 250 stacks. Very simple, very simple. So you know, kind of like, what I say is that, now, if I can get to the gym, at five or six o'clock, I've already got like 2500 steps banked up, you know, from walk, I mean, I'm like halfway to, you know, we're on, I'd try to 10 1000s a little bit much for me, most days, I try to do, you know, five or six. And I'm very happy with that. So anyway, just those little efforts through the day really pushed me, you know, to be in halfway to my goal before I even have to.
Terry 27:39
Exactly, exactly. And we go ahead, I'm sorry,
Jan 27:44
sorry, I was just gonna say I mean, as Roy was saying, Just little things can make all the difference. I mean, you know, and they'll tell you, you know, when you're parking your car, just park a little bit further away from the store and all that and you know what, it actually does add up. And, you know, smartwatches, whatever they say about them. But you know, the best way of progress is to be able to monitor yourself your own progress. That's what it is. And if you can see the numbers going up, and you can say, Wow, compared to last week, look how much I've achieved. So you have that sense of achievement, and get more confident. And the more you achieve, the more you want to achieve.
Terry 28:25
Right? Yeah, it's all about those smaller goals and making better hat better habits long term. It just it helps if you can see your the results of what you're doing. It makes a big difference. And
Roy Barker 28:39
yeah, we'd live in an awesome time. Because, you know, when I was growing up when you were 6065 I mean, they were some people were literally literally chair bound and they just pants Yeah, there just wasn't much they could do. But now, you know, we see people living into their 80s and 90s who are very active, very healthy. And we've got you know, the internet is a nice thing, but we have a lot of affordable instruments that we can use at home you know, depending on what you want to accomplish. But you know one thing I've got that again, I don't use as much as I should but I got one it's the the band that not a band but a strap like a TX something or other. Yeah. Anyway, I just have it hanging over here. So you know, sometimes in between calls, I just get up go do a little bit. They are brilliant. Yes. Absolutely amazing. Yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I don't even use them, you can get down on the floor and do a lot with your legs with them as well. But they're, you know, it's a versatile thing to have around. I don't have to put out a lot of effort, but I can at least use that. I guess my body weight resistance and you know, get some upper arm stuff in during the day. So again, I think this is an awesome time that we live in so much at our disposal to help us out if we just take advantage of that.
Jan 29:59
Well, this is it. We have to grasp the opportunity, we have to sort of think Hold on, these things are available, you know, so we really want to take advantage of these things. Exactly.
Roy Barker 30:11
Yeah. And the So do you have any good shining examples of some people, and you don't have to call their name, of course, but that some people that have come to you in really poor shape that you've been able to, you know, work with to, you know, maybe help their balance or their mobility a lot more?
Jan 30:30
Oh, loads, I mean, the thing is that, it's funny, because when they come to me, first of all, you know, will do their assessment and all that, and they really can't achieve very much. And often they feel they probably won't be able to achieve very much. So a lot of it is mindset, that's the thing. It's a case of persuading them. Yes. I, you know, you might not be able to see your potential, but I can see your potential, you know, and, I mean, for instance, if it was a woman I was working with, and I said, You know, I mean, I laughed about jumping jacks, but there's nothing wrong with an 18 year old doing jumping jacks, they are perfectly capable of doing them. If they put their mind to it. That's the thing. And you know, she just, Oh, no, I can't do that. I can't do that, you know, but now, I mean, I can get her doing those as part of regular part of her workout. And she says, You know what, it's the jumping jacks, that actually made me really feel great after my session with you. So it's funny how your mind often tells you, I cannot do this. And sometimes you need somebody else to say, Yes, you can. Oh, yeah,
Terry 31:37
you need that in somebody to help you quell your inner critic, because that exact right there is just, oh,
Roy Barker 31:44
yeah, you can't discount having the accountability partner. And that's kind of like the guy that I trained with, even though he was good at designing things for me to do. You know, the other thing I'll say is that I wouldn't pace my personal opinion is I wouldn't pay somebody to stand in a gym and count reps for me on a machine, you know, and I've seen that a lot. And it kind of makes me snicker. But like my guy. He would, you know, he designed all these things he had quirky, like a piano Doc, a half ball with a platform, and you could stand on the ball sometimes. That's right. Yeah. But you know, he was always like, trying to work on the core, as well as the extremities. But the accountability is what he, I think that he provided me the most is that, you know, you had to show up, and then also that encouragement, like the days when I'd be like, Oh, I can't take it, you know, I'm done. He'd be like, Nah, come on, you're making good progress. let you know that he could remind you where you were, you know, two, three months ago, and how much progress? No, I don't feel it. So I think that's a great part of that
Jan 32:48
not, that's actually one thing. I mean, I have my 15 week online program for women, you know, too. And so we focus on mindset, losing weight, and you know, being more physically active. Now, what I'll do is I will give them workout programs, no watch videos, do it. Okay, I'm not there to count up to 10, or whatever. But that that is really what a personal trainer does. But what I do is I offer the accountability at the end of the week, where we talk on zoom or whatever, and I can see, look, how are you progressing? Have you got any problems? Do you feel we have to adjust the program or something like that? So what they'll sort of think, Oh, I better do these two workouts, because John's gonna check up on me on Sunday, you know?
Roy Barker 33:35
Yeah, yeah. When Jan calls me has put my cigarette down and had my beer camera.
Terry 33:41
It's all in mom's checking in. Oh, my God. Yeah.
Roy Barker 33:48
Let's talk about that for a minute to the mindset. Because, you know, as I said, in the intro, when we first started this, it was a lot about what we ate and our diet and trying to get this dialed in, and exercise. You know, no, you know, my opinion is, you can lose weight without the exercise, but the exercise is what makes me feel good and feel healthy. When I'm feeling good and feeling healthy, I tend to eat better, like when I'm not losing, then it's easier to eat bad. So But anyway, so we've kind of made that progression. But, you know, now we've really gotten into this mindset, because we want to make sustainable changes. We want to make incremental changes that we can, you know, not like make these big, sweeping things like that are harder to deal with, because there's such a big change, but just the little bitty things every day add up, but we've got to have the right mindset for that. And so, that's a big part of what you can provide as well as you know, that encouragement, but also helping people change that. Maybe negative. I don't know what what are, what do you say? Well, I
Jan 34:57
mean, the thing is, I mean, obviously I'll speak to a lot of people And they'll say, Oh, the diet I was on, it doesn't work. Because you know, I mean, it worked at the time. But you know, when I came off it, then I just put the weight back on. And I'll just tell them, that's because you have not changed your actual habits, right? That's what has to change. If you rather than setting long term goals, let's set daily goals, you know, and say, Look, okay, well, today, I'm going to make sure I have five portions of vegetables or whatever. And it's little process goals that make all the difference. And even as you were saying, ROI, once you start exercising, you feel so much better. And then you sort of think, well, let's start eating better, then. Yeah. So it's it, it is, it's just a very small changes that can lead to huge, huge changes.
Terry 35:51
For every age. Yeah, across the board, right?
Roy Barker 35:55
Yeah. And I was just gonna ask, do you feel that? Is it harder to teach an old dog new tricks? Or? Or is it you know, if people show up and they've got the right mindset? Is it pretty easy to engage and get them to make some changes?
Jan 36:10
Well, this is it, there are probably a lot of people out there who are just far too set in their ways. You know, they'll say, no, sorry, you know, I'm 65, I'm 70. I'm too old to do this, that the next thing, and, okay, you can try and sort of, you know, help them see the benefits and all that. But there are some who are just totally stubborn, they are not going to do anything, you know, whereas there are a lot of others who are very open to suggestions for any help they can get. And these are really the people I work with, there's no point in trying to, you know, deal with somebody who just doesn't want to change it, you know, because you yourself have to want to change. And do you know, I also make sure that when I take on new clients, that it's they who want to change? I'm not really wanting anybody who said, Oh, well, my doctor told me I have to lose weight, right? That's not really gonna work, because they need themselves to know that they want to lose weight.
Terry 37:10
Well, and they have different issues. I mean, some some of them have the type two diabetes, some of them have just different issues that they need to work on as well. So do you approach it? I guess you would approach it? It's just customizable. Yeah.
Jan 37:29
Oh, it totally, totally. That's the thing is I say, I mean, what I would I could do, I suppose in theory, I could just churn out courses, you know, $37 courses, and it would be totally cookie cutter. And people either they liked it, or they didn't, you know what, I wouldn't make any transformations, you know, they wouldn't change, they would just be getting more of the same information they've always had. So it's all about working with people as individuals, and basically adjusting it to what they can do and what they need to do. That's the thing, you know, because, I mean, obviously, you have people who I mean, I actually have a few people who, because they are overweight, they, you know, their knees are really sore, you know. So what you have to do is you have to adjust the exercise program, you know, to suit them. Yeah.
Roy Barker 38:21
Yeah, like that. That's good to hear. Because like I said earlier, we always recommend that, you know, if you somebody that you're thinking about working with, if they've like, I've got a plan that's worked for, you know, other people, here it is, it's a red flag. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying it's a red flag for me is I need, I want to make sure that you have that engagement. You're asking me my questions, like, you know, do you even like to run you know, because I don't mind walking, I don't mind lifting weights, but I don't want to run and you know, my thing my motto for most of my life has been in I played sports where I had to, but as an adult, I'm like, you know, when I drive down the road, and I see a guy running that smile, and I might think about taking it up, but you know, most of them are usually in agony.
Terry 39:08
You know, we don't know. But uh,
Roy Barker 39:11
yeah, I think it's so important to inexpensively as we age because I don't want to generalize, but I'm gonna say 20s 30s, maybe into your 40s it's probably pretty generic, with some outliers. But when you get to the, you know, the 50s 60s and 70s bunch, everybody is so different, not only in where they're at, but also the ailments, afflictions, you know, things exactly, yeah. Yeah.
Terry 39:38
Yeah. The neuro. Yeah. Because you could have the neurological issues. You could have, you know, the movement in Parkinson's or anything like Do you have any? Do you have any people that you work with that have certain issues that they're wanting to deal with or head off or any any specific? Well, I
Jan 39:57
mean, certainly a lot of my clients have already Have you been diagnosed as diabetic? Yeah. So, you know, so obviously, you are but again, you're really just dealing with trying to get their weight down, you know, where they're eating, you know, far more healthfully? And things like this. I mean, that's one thing I go do, I don't have a diet plan is such I mean, nobody follows a particular diet plan, because it's all about changing your habits. That's the thing, you know. So there's no point in saying to people they have to chicken all day, if they don't like chicken. That's right. So they really have to what I try and get them in more into the way of having a better idea of the calorie effects or content foods and things like that. And also get acquainted with portion sizes. Because as you know, in the 70s, you know, I'm talking about in the 1970s. portion sizes were very, very much smaller than they are now. No, I mean, it used to be you go off to a restaurant, and you get this huge, huge portion, and think, Oh, this is a treat, because I'm out in a restaurant. But now, these are just the normal amounts of food that people are eating at home. Yeah,
Roy Barker 41:11
yeah, it's, it's crazy. And I think that, to me, that's the very first easy step on the nutritional side is if you just start reading labels, because there are things that you've just grown up eating that you don't realize, you know, like, for me being a diabetic, how many carbs are in that, but then also strategically, eating like, you know, like, I try to be at 40 to 60 carbs a day is kind of where my limit is, and which is fine, but I can't eat 60 for dinner, you know, and then go to bed, you have to, yeah, it gets it gets complicated, because then you can eat some with fiber that releases slower. And, you know, there's all these little things, but my thing is just start by reading labels and seeing what's hidden. The other thing that I found is salt. You know, this this, yeah, back to getting away from processed foods. Because whenever you're reading something on a bag, it's probably been processed, and it's probably gonna have a lot of salt in it.
Jan 42:11
Exactly. Yeah. I mean, when you think on it, there's so much so called food nowadays that really isn't for you. You know, the thing is that during the processing, thing, that I mean, they've lost all their vitamins and minerals, oh, their goodness. And then of course, these manufacturers then have to put all these vitamins back in. And then on the marketing side, then they go and say with added vitamins and overspent and everybody thinks, Oh, this is healthy. I'm gonna find this.
Terry 42:42
Yes. Yeah. That's so true. Oh, my gosh. Well,
Roy Barker 42:46
Jan, is there anything else? Any other thoughts you want to leave us with? Before we wrap up?
Jan 42:52
I think really, it's a case of I don't think it matters, what age you are, you can make major changes in your life, you know, and they don't have to be huge changes, just small ones can make all the difference, you know. So as well as eating healthily, moving, trying to keep your mind active all the time, you know, look at different things. I mean, little hobbies, you can maybe start up or whatever, there's always opportunities to learn more stuff. And those are the three things healthy eating, exercise and keeping your mind active.
Roy Barker 43:27
Oh, yeah, there's a good book, it's been a while since it came out. It's called the slight edge. And there's some other books that are based on the same principle. But what this guy talks about is that these little bitty things that people do, that we don't see that become successful, and it kind of translates into these smaller changes, but consistently doing it every day. Yeah, you know, he was like, you know, the baseball player, you know, in practice, you hit so many baseballs or they get so many cuts added. And then, but he said, the guy that goes to the batting cage after practice, and hits like 500 balls every day, if he went one day and hit 500 extra balls, you're not going to see much change in his work. But if he goes his 500 balls every day for six months, for a year, now, all of a sudden, you start seeing that incremental change, because of all this, you know, the, I guess the smaller steps that he has been taking that are extra, yes. You know, kind of the same thing is like he said, you can look at it two ways, like if you are healthy and you go out and eat a Big Mac, probably not going to hurt you that much. Now, if you go out and start eating one every day, then after some period of time, you're going to see the effect and vice versa. If you eat a Big Mac every day and you quit one day, you're not gonna see much change if you just keep eating. So, you know, it's just that those little bitty things that we can do daily in?
Jan 45:01
I think this is this is the thing about daily because you know, people will often ask how long does it change? Uh huh. You know, how long does it take to change a habit? And they've come away with various sort of ideas and whatnot. And for instance, the 21 days, they reckon you can change your habit. But you're not gonna change your habit if you only do it once in those 21 days, right. But it's not the amount of time it's the number of times you do it. That's the important thing.
Roy Barker 45:28
Yeah, right. All right. Well, that's good advice. Jan, we certainly appreciate it. Is there a tool or a habit? Is there something that you do in your daily life, that really adds a lot of value?
Jan 45:42
I think really, when I get up in the morning, you, you want to look on the positive side, that's basically because, you know, you make your own reality, you know, during the day, you know, and really think, right, what am I going to achieve today can just be a small thing, like, I'm going to clean out a drawer in my kitchen or something like that, but achieved something and you feel that you've achieved something and you want to achieve more, and it makes you feel great. Yeah, I love being able to tick off from my list, I
Terry 46:16
love being able to mark through that line. Because, you know, so many times I'm just like, going on and on and on just running around in circles. I'm like, days ended what's happened. I was busy.
Roy Barker 46:29
Alright, what tell people who do you like to work with? How can you help them? And of course, how can they reach out and get a hold of you?
Jan 46:37
Okay, I'm certainly I love to work with women over the age of 50. I mean, I'm saying 50. If you're 40. And you're desperately wanting to measure, by all means, let me know, you know, but certainly, it's certainly the older women that I tend to deal with. And they are professional women who are probably sitting in a desk job a lot of the time or they've retired from having quite a high stressful job and whatnot. These are definitely the people I want to work with. And, as I said, my programs are all individualized for everybody. So your best bet probably is to get a hold, you know, see me see my website. And that is janmalloch.com. That is where you're going to see me. And, again, if you want to go onto Google, just type in Jan Malloch, and you'll see loads of me around.
Terry 47:32
And Malik is ma LL. O ch. That said,
Roy Barker 47:38
yeah, we will include all that in the show notes. But that's the that is worth mentioning the spelling there. All right, well, good enough. Well, thanks a lot. Well, that's gonna do it for another episode of feeding fatty Of course. I am your host, Roy. I'm sorry. that's gonna do it for another. Oh my gosh, educational. Now, you're good. You're good. Oh my gosh, losing my mind. You can find us of [email protected] we're on all the major podcast platforms, Google, Stitcher, Spotify. It's and we also want all major social media platforms we spend most of our time probably on Instagram. So please go check us out and a video of this interview will go up on YouTube when the episode goes live. So again, thank you for your time. Take care of yourself and age healthy.
Terry 48:29
Thanks, Jen.
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