M Lamar, the incomparable composer, artist, operatic countertenor, coiner of the term "negrogothic", good friend, and long-time collaborator of mine, graces the live stream to discuss Diamanda Galas' 1990 live record, 'Plague Mass'. Lamar's work spans opera, metal, performance, video, sculpture and installation to craft sprawling narratives of radical becomings.

We talk about mourning, the Devil, how Lamar got to know Diamanda, and questions about the definition of the word "avant garde" This stream was our first collaboration since our short-lived 2018 podcast, 'Fluid Exchange'!