This episode features a rich, laughter filled conversation with social justice facilitator and New York Times best-selling author of Pleasure Activism, adrienne maree brown!  We talk about the trust, transformation, being satisfiable, radical honesty and rejection, creative practice, god and the healing power of sitting on Octavia Butler's face.

Music by LAL and Pantayo.

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p.s.- book mentioned by adrienne is Fumbling Towards Repair by Mariame Kaba and Shira Hassan.