For episode 18 of Pleasure Principles (@pleasureprinciples.art), Tobi talks with Zuri Ali-Cole, talented artist and owner of Zuri Ali Art (@zurialiart). The holidays can be just as exciting as they can be challenging and triggering. This season especially can be tough for those of us grieving, without family, put out, financially tight, overstimulated, etc causing symptoms of anxiety, depression or heaviness to build up. How do we navigate this as artists, amongst other roles? This episode features clips from a live conversation between Tobi and Zuri titled “Holiday Care”. We sat and shared stories and tips about how we’re taking care of ourselves this holiday season - both creatively and via our community and support systems. You're in for a treat, friends! The pleasure is ours. #pleasureprinciplespodcast