Sometimes people reach out to me to have an offline chat, to share their ideas, or to get help in refining their thinking in some way. 

I often record these discussions for my 'personal archives', with the expectation that I'll enjoy listening to them back someday. Sometimes the content can be quite personal, so I don't even think about publishing it publicly, but on this occasion, it was a pretty general chat about some of the themes I've been wrestling with lately, and so after asking 'Hartzler' if it was ok, we decided to publish it. 

Enjoy! 

P.S. As I wasn't intending to publish, my audio is shit (used AirPods instead of mic). 

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