In this special episode of Drunk Ex-Pastors we chat with well-known author, speaker, and former architect and leader of the Christian Right, Frank Schaeffer. We discuss his recent book, “Fall in Love, Have Children, Stay Put, Save the Planet, Be Happy”, which urges readers to rethink their understanding of Darwin’s principle of “survival of the fittest” (turns out, “fitness” may have more to do with compassion and empathy than strength and domination). A thoroughly delightful conversation with a man whose impact on us is significant, to say the least.