Podcast A Vet: Stories, Support & Community From Leaders In The Veterinary Field

After dealing with compassion and burnout fatigue herself, Bronwen Foster decided to make a change and has since helped herself and others find joy in their jobs and have more fulfilling lives because of it. Our first sequel guest episode, we are reflecting on the past year and a half of Podcast A Vet, the changes Bronwen has been through both professionally and personally, and how to stop hating your job and remember your love for veterinary medicine again.

On this episode, Bronwen is opening up the conversation towards what is possible in veterinary medicine and providing tools to help you figure out what sparks your passion and how to do more of that. By letting things fall into place, replacing your negative attitude with an open mindset, and doing the work to trust in your ability to be happy, you can train your brain to be quiet and start living life with no limitations.

Someone who has been there and done that, Bronwen is bringing her self-awareness and vulnerability to you today to give you hope and encourage you to find relief in the right person or right space in order to find your joy again. If you are struggling to keep going in the field and are looking for a way to be reignited about veterinary medicine, you have come to the right place.

How do you relate to Bronwen's story, and what do you find the most difficult when changing your mindset? Share with us in the comments on the episode page.

In This Episode

• The importance of feeling valued and having a sense of humor in vet medicine
• Ways to recognize what sparks your inner joy and go after it
• Daily tools to help deal with burnout and compassion fatigue
• How to stop feeding into the negativity of your clinic or hospital
• Tips on how to reach out when you are struggling to find a safe space to talk

Quotes"I just kind of changed my mind into thinking, life is so abundant and we can have whatever we want, and as soon as you start thinking that things just start falling into place." (6:20)

"We're not trained in psychology, but people expect us to be, and that part is draining. And I think a lot of people in other professions don't realize that it is a big card to carry." (25:28)

"We have a lot to be grateful for, and even when we think about our job, we have a job! We live in a great place, we really do have a great profession, you just have to figure out why it is great for you and do that, don't do what's making you miserable." (39:13)

"This podcast alone, people reaching out, that makes me not feel alone. Thank you for allowing not only me to share my story and help but thank you for knowing there are more people going through it and asking for help." (40:21)

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Trent Gall is a small animal veterinary surgeon, family man, and sole owner of his own mobile veterinary surgery clinic. On this episode, we dive into the importance of community, acceptance, and tolerance as we discuss everything from archery to down syndrome, mid-life crisis's, and everything in between.

One of the rare 'go with the flow' veterinary surgeons, Trent is sharing his zest for life, tips to run a successful mobile practice, and how to create a happy home life for yourself despite challenges as a parent and a veterinarian. Learn about his families struggle through residency and pregnancy, how to find a good fit in surgery for your specific talents and the fun perks of owning your own business.

Trent believes in the importance of finding what works for you, being an advocate for the communities you care about and rolling with the punches to create the life that you dreamed of.

How do you relate to Trent's story of balance, compromise, and positivity? Share with us in the comments on the episode page!

In This Episode

• A peek into the complex and varying world of competitive archery
• Debunking the stigma in the medical field around down syndrome
• How to get onto the path of owning your own mobile surgery clinic
• Comparing and contrasting private practice and owning your own practice
• The importance of being there for each other in the veterinary community

Quotes

"There are is abilities and different challenges from so many different people, and it was just awesome being in the middle of that." (42:40)

"I realized I really like anatomy, I really like dissection, and I really like power tools. So… surgery?" (47:04)

"It's a great lifestyle, you get to help a lot of patients, you just have to find what works for you." (52:35)

"I take my job seriously but not myself seriously. If things affect a patients outcome maybe that's when I get really type A about it. But if it is something that more is an inconvenience for me, I just go with that." (59:19)

"Don't be arrogant, just don't. That's my business model, don't be a jerk. That's it." (1:01:03)

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Rocky Mountain Down Syndrome Association Website

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Do you sometimes feel like you are living your life on autopilot, never truly feeling content and struggling with burnout and compassion fatigue? Dr. Becky Krull was dealing with all of this until she made a change, sought some help, and found her happy again. These feelings are common in veterinary medicine and Dr. Becky is here to share how she discovered her spark again for life, and veterinary medicine, on this episode.

After finding an integrative medicine doctor and life coach, Dr. Becky's life has turned around. She has started to invest in the foundation of herself, and harness her energy to work through the daily struggles and still find a way to smile. Today Dr. Becky is sharing some actions and accountability tools to help you become a better person, how to navigate the tress turmoil and self-worth issues of veterinary medicine, and ways to shift your nurturing nature to provide the best of yourself for everyone, including you.

The similar stories many of us share, working too many hours, toxic employees and clients, and not feeling passionate about your work, can all be solved when you are able to recognize your priorities and provide some time for self-care. Once you do the work to learn these tools for yourself, it can change the way you practice, your relationships with others, and how you relate to yourself.

Dr. Becky believes in reaching out for help, being intentional with your day, saying no and setting boundaries as the keys to bringing back your inner child and finding your passion again.

How does Dr. Becky's story relate to your own story? Share with us in the comments section on the episode page.

In This Episode

• Becoming aware of your own energy force and how it affects your surroundings
• Ways to improve your sleep hygiene, stop your insomnia and manage your stress
• Being intentional about what you do and how you start your day to gain clarity and peace
• Understanding the homework that takes to change your energy force and self-talk
• Set your life up for control by following your values and prioritizing time management

Quotes

"It was becoming more the norm that I was numb to the life around me, and that is not a way I wanted to go through life anymore, and that is when I understood what burnout was." (3:39)

"I hate the word balanced, work-life balance, I don't think that exists. I think what does exist is that for a moment in your life you are going to nurture certain things really well, and at other moments you are going to have to nurture something else really well." (25:43)

"Clearly what I was doing on my own was not working, and I had to do something or I was going to become a statistic of this burnout and compassion fatigue." (36:33)

"I think in veterinary medicine for sure it is feeling worthy and fear of judgment, and we have got to work through where that comes from and how we can get over it." (42:51)

"We all live with the same 24 hours in a day, and it really just depends on how you want to spend those 24 hours, and what you prioritize and your values." (48:35)

Links

Dr. Becky Krull Website

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Simply Kerry Life Coaching Website

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Continuing on with our Financial Wellness Series we are joined by Brennan Pitard, a DVM who left practice only a few years after graduation to help bridge the gap between banks, lenders, and veterinarians. Having experienced the veterinary field himself, Brennan knows first hand the struggles, pressures, and roadblocks faced by his peers, and helps look past those obstacles to see the bigger picture and help others achieve their dreams of practice ownership.

One of the only, if not the only veterinary lender who helps new and aspiring practice owners on a step-by-step journey, Brennan is the kind of guy who will talk to you at 8 pm on a Friday night to help make sure that you understand the path to your future. To give you a taste of his knowledge, Brennan is here to provide the steps you need to take to realize your dream of practice ownership, why he chooses to look past the unfortunate circumstances of most debt and find a solution, and ultimately explain how he works to align veterinary medicine and banking.

Brennan and his team of lenders at First Financial Bank believe it's about the numbers, but its also about the people too. With the right financial partner, even burdens like student debt won't hold you back from reaching your goals of practice ownership and financial stability. Learn why you should be looking at income-based repayment if your goal is practice ownership, understand the process and timeline behind starting a practice, and why if you are thinking about buying a practice, you should probably do it.

You don't have to be a name or a number on a piece of paper to a bank, there are loaners out there like Brennan and the First Financial Bank team who will be with you every step of the process, ensuring you are always supported and never alone.

Have you taken steps to alleviate your financial stress and embrace your ideal career model? Share with us in the comments on the episode page.

In This Episode

• Comparing the lifestyle differences between practice work and ownership
• Strategies to eliminate your debt on a realistic time frame for buying a practice
• Ways to decide if you should be buying the real estate along with the practice
• Steps an individual can take to become part of a team even as a sole owner
• Habits to avoid and adapt to get your credit score to the optimal level

Quotes

"Right now it fulfills me to be able to help those veterinarians out there that think that they cannot open a practice, think they cannot start their own practice, don't have the resources and the knowledge to do it, and it's important to me to let them know they can do it." (6:13)

"Being involved and getting to work with veterinarians on a daily basis and help them accomplish their dream makes it all worth it for me." (12:15)

"There's a lot of different pieces to the puzzle. If you were willing to take a leap of faith and have the confidence to spend that money or take that loan to accomplish your dream, there is no reason we should penalize you for having that under your belt." (26:41)

Links

Contact Brennan at [email protected]

FFB Veterinary Loans Homepage

First Financial Bank Website

PAV 062: Financial Wellness Series Part One with Stith Keiser

PAV 066: Financial Wellness Series Part Two with Stith Keiser & Larry Alexander

Blue Heron Consulting Website

PAV 056: Sam Romano

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Get ready for all things horses as we are joined by Elizabeth Dooher, an equine veterinarian passionate about integrative therapies and helping horses around the world find healing. Elizabeth combines therapies such as chiropractic, acupuncture, rehabilitation, massage, laser therapy, nutrition and more and applies these treatments both at home in Vail, Colorado and abroad in countries like Egypt and Jordan. Today Elizabeth is diving into all things horses, acupuncture, and how she has found a way to take her passion for travel and turn it into a lifesaving practice.

If you have ever been curious what it is like to give acupuncture to a horse, want to learn the secrets to listening and communicating successfully with horses, or are looking to find your own middle ground between Chinese and Western veterinary medicine, this is the episode for you. Elizabeth takes us from the Sahara desert to equine charities in the Middle East to paint a picture of the vast landscape of international and integrative veterinary work.

Running on a philosophy of going with the flow, making a global impact and empowering veterinarians to interact with animals in new ways, Elizabeth is a positive energy source who thrives on the unknown to keep things interesting. By accepting what the Universe puts in front of you, and finding a way to mesh your unique passions, you can find the appropriate system for you to deliver optimal healing.

What about Elizabeth's journey inspires you to follow your own soul purpose? Share with us in the comments on the episode page.

In This Episode

• How to acupuncture a horse safely, carefully, and what reaction to expect
• What it is like to attend vet school after eight years out of the education sector
• Connecting with both animals and communities through integrative medicine
• Veterinary expectations found in Jordan, Eygpt, and other Middle Eastern countries
• Learning how to combine alternative therapies and travel passions for global healing

Quotes

"By the time I decided to go to vet school, I had a real purpose and a real reason and a real desire. It wasn't just a default choice, it was a very intentional decision for me to go to vet school." (11:35)

"If we really listen to these horses, they are so willing to have such conversations with us and if we can respect that and honor that part of them, they will let us in in such incredible ways." (18:17)

"It's been a really neat way to get to know cultures and communities and people, and it just happens that veterinary medicine has been my vehicle to connect with these communities." (41:26)

"I am 100% sure that I am safer walking down the streets of Aman, the capital of Jordan, at night than I am in any city in the US by myself at night." (46:55)

"If you are going to do any sort of abroad work, you really sort of have to have that kind of attitude. Because these countries, they are not like the US, and we can't go there expecting it to be, and I don't wish that they were." (1:04:58)

Links

Integrative C.A.R.E Website

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Egypt Equine Aid Website

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Kayle Austin is a DVM, Large Animal Practitioner, 2017 CSU grad, and one of the first recipients in Colorado of the Veterinary Education Loan Repayment Program. Today Kayle dives into the four-year commitment she made to work rurally with large animals in order to subsidize her student debt, and why it was one of the best decisions she has made so far.

If you have ever been interested in the large animal world, particularly calf and cattle being raised for dairy, Kayle is the expert you need to hear from. She explores the differences between small animal and large animal veterinary medicine, what it is like to be one of the few young women working in the field, and how she ended up running her own successful practice a mere two years after graduation.

An advocate for working together and using your resources, Kayle is a testament to the power of determination and never backing down from a challenge. The need for large animal practitioners in Colorado and across the country is constantly growing and with a program like the Veterinary Education Loan Repayment Program you could win the financial lottery just like Kayle.

Get ready to have a peek inside a world that you may have never considered before, and be exposed to the benefits, and downfalls, of rural large animal work. Everything from management, to medicine, herd health, and surgery is on the table today as we explore the world of Kayle Austin.

Have you applied to any programs that could help alleviate the financial burden of veterinary school? Share your resources in the comments section on the episode page!

In This Episode

• How simple things like milk prices could impact your job as a large animal practitioner
• Exploring the stereotypes of young female doctors in the large animal community
• What it is like to run your own practice two years after graduation
• Incentives to apply for the Veterinary Education Loan Repayment Program
• Evaluating the role veterinarian's play when raising cattle for dairy or beef

Quotes

"I think that was the idea behind the program, to help encourage young vets getting out with a big student loan burden to get them out into those rural areas if that's what they wanted and help them make a go if it there." (6:37)

"If you want anything bad enough you know you will get it done and make it happen, but it sure makes it a lot easier to swallow financially." (12:46)

"You have to look at it as production, it is your business, you have to have a little less emotional attachment, unfortunately. And it's hard, it's the black and white of it, it's just the nature of the game." (41:51)

"You are dealing with the rough, gruff country type of people, and I love that personality but not everybody does." (51:42)

"It's not worth doing if it's not fun along with way." (52:36)

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Austin Veterinary Services LLC

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Veterinary medicine is made special by the people and connections you make throughout your career. Dr. Adam Conroy is a testament to this and is passionate about helping others embrace failure in order to find success. A small animal practitioner, successful practice owner, consultant and mentor, Dr. Conroy is all about having a vision and accomplishing your goals.

Dr. Conroy believes that by aligning yourself with a strategic mentor, and learning skills of leadership and partnership, you can be successful in whatever niche of veterinary medicine you chose. Today we are learning all about the importance of taking risks, learning that you will never avoid failure, how to avoid burnout in your career, and much more. Dr. Conroy is an inspiring example of how to use humility and persistence to achieve happiness.

We are diving into how to analyze communication in your relationships and repair them on a business level, why you need to fully commit to whatever project you are working on, and exploring some harsh realities of primary ownership, partnership and how to set yourself up for success. Dr. Conroy is providing tools to help you accomplish your goals, and a message of empowerment for anyone feeling lost and overwhelmed.

Once you are able to look back at your failures with ease, you will have learned the lessons necessary to find success. By taking risks, going back to the drawing board and finding the right partners, you can create whatever kind of life you prefer.

How has Dr. Conroy opened your mind up to potential career possibilities? Share with us in the comments on the episode page.

In This Episode

• Questions you should be asking employers when approaching the job market
• Breaking down the stereotypes surrounding younger doctors and how to change them
• Why most people bomb their first job and how to prevent that from becoming you
• The reality of mentorship, finding a job after graduation and taking on an ownership role
• Learning how to find balance in your relationship at home and work relationships

Quotes

"Anybody who thinks they can do this alone, you can't. So you have to accept that you have to find people that are willing to help you." (6:14)

"The majority of the major successes I have had have been the direct result of things that I have failed at multiple times." (7:49)

"Say what you want, say where you want to be, and the people who are close to you make it very transparent ultimately what your vision is and do they support that or not. Get that established right off the bat, and once those things become in line, then I think the trajectory of your success will parallel that." (19:12)

"You chose a great career, we're here to tell that you did. Now it's just what you make of it." (20:12)

"You have to have and surround yourself with other people and a diversity of doctors that have a constant pulse, as opposed to you being the only heartbeat there." (35:10)

Links

Animal Care Clinic Website

MarkRoy Consulting Website

Snout School Website

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We are back for Part 2 of our Financial Wellness Series, and today we are diving into the specifics of practice ownership. Everything from how to find a practice, what to look for and how to get the money to buy in is on the table today as Stith Keiser rejoins us and gives us some tips on how to be successful in ownership.

Stith believes in finding your 'why' in order to hold onto your passion and really make it as a lasting practice owner. In addition, he explains the importance of understanding need versus demand, why you need to like more than medicine to be an owner, and why you should be looking at your loan as an accountability tool.

There's always lots of options to talk yourself out of a big decision, but if you are ready to put in the work and make your dream of ownership a reality, it can be accomplished with the help of the right lender. First Financial Bank is a premium partner of the veterinary field and Larry Alexander also joins us on today's episode to get down to the nitty-gritty about what it takes financially to make your own ownership dreams come true.

Larry is highlighting why First Financial Bank chooses to hire representatives from the veterinary field and not just bankers, reasons FFB values networking and peer to peer conversation in order to make businesses thrive, and how you can help them understand your needs to be successful in the short and long term.

Once you are able to understand your own skill set and how it can be best leveraged to make the industry better, you may be ready to see the business from the other side and step into an ownership position. By finding a lender without judgment, like First Financial Bank, and setting yourself up with the knowledge provided by someone such as Stith, you can be sure that you are stepping into this new role with your best foot forward.

Have you thought about taking the plunge and buying into or starting your own practice? Share what most excites and worries you about the perspective in the comments on the episode page.

In This Episode

• How to have the hard conversation when you decide to buy a practice
• Finding a lending partner that is right for you and holds the same values
• Analyzing how much cash in the bank you really need to buy a hospital
• What to expect from the first thirty days after taking on an ownership role
• Creating a custom business solution with three main key players for success

Quotes

"It's start with your 'why' as a veterinarian and your 'why' as an owner. Because we are just wasting our time worrying about location or financing if we don't know what it is we want to do as practice owners." (2:25) - Stith

"Ownership is not just medicine, you don't buy a practice to buy a job." (5:16) - Stith

"As a lender, what we are trying to do is really just learn more about everyone's situation. Because I think every situation is unique." (13:48) - Larry

"You are not alone, whatever you think might be your struggle or your hurdle, I guarantee someone else has been there." (16:40) - Larry

"With our service model and the experience we have on our team drawing from the industry, not from a banking background, I think we are able to offer a local service and that local feel that I believe vets try and treat their patients and clients with." (21:28) - Larry

"My 'why' is helping whoever I am working with achieve their 'why'." (32:28) - Stith

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First Financial Bank Website

Blue Heron Consulting Website

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Former President of the AVMA, current Chief Veterinary Officer at Veterinary Practice Partners and founding board member of the Women's Veterinary Leadership Development Initiative (WVLADI), Dr. Doug Aspros has an impressive resume spanning many fields of veterinary medicine. Throughout his different positions, Doug noticed a lack of female representation in the board room. He decided to do something about it and helped create WVLADI as a response to this lack of diversity in veterinary communities. On this episode, Doug helps us analyze the male lens, its influence in veterinary medicine, and everything in between.

Doug believes in raising your hand and saying yes to life in order to open doors and works to help others, women in particular, have access to better opportunities. By opening your work culture to as many types of people as possible, you will achieve greater success and create lasting happiness in your workplace. Today Doug helps to breakdown exactly how we can prepare women to take on higher leadership roles, as well as how we can alter these positions to better meet the responsibilities and needs of women.

Creating a more flexible, dynamic and stress-free work environment leads to more productivity and satisfied clients, and Doug believes the key to this is giving individuals the chance to be whoever they want to be. By understanding the artificial impediments standing in the way of women and helping them knock them down you can help promote women to their fully realized roles in our profession and in society.

It is time to help women realize their potential and encourage them to seek higher leadership positions for the betterment of our entire industry.

Does a specific woman come to mind when listening to Doug's inspiring feminist mentality? Give them a shoutout in the comments section on the episode page!

In This Episode

• Advice to those who want to take action and see more representation in leadership
• Why including women in leadership should matter to men
• Finding a diversity balance in leadership to achieve greater success
• What you can do to encourage a more flexible approach in your workforce
• Why working fewer days can lead to being more productive in the short and long term
• Bonus Fact - What life is like living with a Grey African Parrot

Quotes

"We haven't evolved the way we work in veterinary medicine in a way that really supports women and allows women to act as leaders and enjoy their careers." (6:43)

"There are a lot more women in the room, but I want to make sure there are whole lot more women in the room 10 years from now." (8:48)

"If you want to get any group into more prominence and give them more opportunity, you have to actually make that happen. And you can't make that happen if you don't will it to happen." (14:24)

"We all got into this profession because it actually is a wonderful profession and there are just so many good things about it, but the things that aren't great about it lets fix." (23:07)

"This is not just somebody else's problem. You as a member of the veterinary community, this is part of your problem too. And it is important for you to understand it and play some role in fixing it." (34:37)

"I'm proud of whatever contribution I have made to make this profession better." (39:50)

Links

Women's Veterinary Leadership Development Initiative Website

Veterinary Practice Partners

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Stephen Cital is on a mission to bring veterinary technicians the respect they deserve while making some real money. An RVT specializing in anesthesia pain management, Stephen has a passion for promoting diversity in the veterinary space, as well as the use of cannabis as a legitimate therapeutic tool. Stephen combines a vast array of knowledge and topics to break down some of the barriers in our profession and is opening our eyes to a world of possibilities on today's episode.

Everything from vet tech utilization, how to introduce diversity into a clinic's culture, and the major benefits of cannabis use for animals is on the table today. Stephen is educating us on the possibility of improving an animals life through cannabis and how to move the needle on accepting different ethnicities, sexual orientations and religious backgrounds in the veterinary field. In addition, Stephen is providing some serious tips on how to turn a nurse or technician position into a career, and profit from it, by looking outside of the clinic.

An engaging and refreshing breath of fresh air in the veterinary community, Stephen is advocating for those underrepresented in order to create workplaces where everyone feels included. If you are ready to have a conversation about changing our culture from within, this episode is for you.

What inspires you most about Stephen's message of acceptance and never settling for less than you are worth? Let us know in the comments section on the episode page!

In This Episode

• Changing the stigma behind cannabis use and its medical benefits
• Why fields like research and development may be the key to earning more
• Embracing and utilizing your veterinary technician for a lifelong career
• Addressing the cultural double standards in the veterinary field
• Tips to break down barriers and make the workplace inclusive for everyone

Quotes

"We have quite a few animals that are on cannabis now, and were able to decrease traditional pharmaceutical drugs, and the owners love it. They want to go back to mother nature and let's give her the credit." (9:50)

"[Cannabis] encompasses everything I love. The medicine, being on the cutting edge of things, discovering things, it encompasses it all." (15:38)

"I think these bigger organizations could do better with supporting some of these diversity initiatives." (37:08)

"If you are in an isolated area where you are that person on the team that sticks out from everybody else, just understand that there are other people out there." (41:11)

"You can have a respectable career as a human medical assistant, you can have a respectable career as a veterinary assistant, and nobody should ever be ashamed of that." (46:43)

Links

Stephen Cital RVT Website

Veterinary Anesthesia Nerds Facebook Group

Veterinary Anesthesia Nerds Website

Veterinary Cannabis Academy Facebook Group

Multicultural Veterinary Medicine Association

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