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You're probably already aware that your mindset determines a lot of what you experience in life, including your career in vet med. But how you create and nurture that positive mindset? So many of us struggle with issues like impostor syndrome, guilt, general negativity and so much more that affect our relationships, careers, and lives, and today, Dr. Cherie Buisson walks us through how to break out of a mental rut and craft an attitude that will pay dividends in all aspects of your life.
At the recent AVMA Convention in Denver, Colorado I've have had the opportunity to meet so many wonderful new people, including Dr. Buisson. Dr. Buisson is a certified hospice and palliative care veterinarian, participates in Helping Hands Pet Hospice and founder of A Happy Vet. After deciding that private practice wasn't for her, she practiced as the medical director for a shelter before finding her true passion in hospice and palliative care, and has never been happier.
Students looking for advice on overcoming imposter syndrome, practitioners needing to get over feeling guilty and anyone generally interested in how to find comfort in the hospice stage of a patient's life will find great comfort in Dr. Buissons motivational attitude. She shares tips on how to make yourself resilient, having a more positive perspective on your day, and why you should be scared and do it anyways.
Have you experienced a little moment that led to big changes in your life or career? Let us know your life-changing moments in the comments on the episode page!
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"I spent all my time trying to fit into a place where I didn't belong. And thank goodness I finally figured out what I am supposed to be doing, but it was a long road. So A Happy Vet is kind of dedicated to hoping that someone else won't waste 8 years of their life trying to do something that doesn't suit them, and realizing that there are all kinds of things you can do in vet med." (3:57)
"It's all of us, we all feel like 'maybe I just snuck in under the radar' and it just cracks me up because we think we are not smart enough to get into vet school and deserve this career, but we think we were smart enough to fool everybody." (16:43)
"I would cut open a patient and go, 'I can cut something and sew it back up and it usually doesn't die'. Every now and then it strikes me, and it still does today, 18 years later, that this is such an amazing profession." (23:33)
"If you had $100 and you lost $2 would you spend $98 to get the $2 back? And that's what we do. Every single day we waste 98% of the good stuff that happens, harping on the 2% that was lousy. And that's what we tend to remember and I say we chew on it till our teeth hurt, and we don't think of the good stuff." (25:58)
"Its part of the trap of hospice care and palliative medicine is you get them feeling better and then you forget that you haven't fixed them, you are just making them feel better. And so then when they do die, you have to get used to the fact that they are supposed to die. But that was really hard for me when I had such dramatic improvement and then to lose them felt like a failure. And so I had a hard time adjusting to that, so again that's what I teach, 'this is what I am struggling with, how about you?'" (44:34)
"Because we are perfectionists we tend to turn down things that we don't know that were are good at. And those are the things we should be pursuing. You know we should be pursuing things we might fail at because they could turn out to be the best thing you ever did." (48:11)
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If you want to get to the top of any niche in the veterinary world, you probably know it's going to be a tough slog at times. You might not realize, however, the impact of our career pursuits on other areas of our lives. Dr. Jon Congdon shares his insight into how to navigate your way to the top of a specialized field while maintaining your relationships, and sanity. Dr. Congdon started from the bottom cleaning cages and worked his way up to being Director of Anesthesiology at one of the top 3 schools in the country, NC State Veterinary. He is one of only 230 board-certified veterinary anesthesiologists in the country, one of my former classmates and a personal friend.
Recorded live on location at the 2018 AVMA Convention in Denver Colorado, we discuss the progression of veterinary medicine, the highs and lows of being a specialist, and how to accept vulnerability in your knowledge. Dr. Congdon lays out his pragmatic practical approach to how to make everybody's veterinary experience better with anesthesia.
Getting into the meat of his veterinary story, the struggle of residency and the toll his career had on his relationships, Dr. Congdon relays his advice for those starting out on their journey and anyone interested in anesthesia. Putting importance on learning to think for yourself, searching for information and being prepared, Dr. Congdon brings a no judgment attitude to the field of anesthesiology.
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"You go to a conference and how much of it is really applicable? How much can you take home and use the next day? And that's really the probably driving idea behind lectures that I do, is what do they really want to know, I mean I'm guessing but you know, and what might they take home tomorrow and actually do something with?" (6:40)
"We get so worked up about our little niches, but there is a bigger world out there. And as I have heard many many times at NC State, believe in good intentions, take faith that people have the best of intentions. And they may make mistakes and it may look bad from the outside, but it's not like any of us are trying to make mistakes or are trying to be lazy, we're just busy. And cases come to us that we think are straightforward and then they are not and we have to adapt on the fly. This idea of community and this podcast is a huge part of that." (40:46)
"Anesthesia is super cool for me because I can identify a problem, I can administer a treatment, and I get to fix it right away. Anesthesia, it's real-time physiology." (1:04:54)
"You will never get the credit. You will never be at the forefront of the story. But it shouldn't matter. We are not here to get accolades, we're here to get them through. We're not here to judge if they should be anesthetized, we're here to get them through. Other doctors are having those conversations with the clients, it's not our role to judge. If they need us we should be here, we are service specialists, we are here to serve the other doctors." (1:17:50)
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For many of us, the thought of a specialized career path is equivalent to a boring one. Dr. Louisa Poon joins us today to share her experience of finding variety working as a jill-of-all-trades veterinarian at an animal shelter in Denver.
A woman of many hats, Dr. Poon joins us at our mobile studio, reporting to you on the move from the AVMA Conference in Denver, Colorado! She gives us a breakdown of the variety and excitement she sees on a daily basis as the Denver Animal Protection veterinarian. She sees over 7,000 patients a year with the help of her team of volunteers, staff, and interns, and deals with everything from animal protection to public health and intern programs.
Fulfilling a lifelong dream of becoming the head of a large-scale medical center, Dr. Poon has had a very busy and impressive history dealing with a wide range of treatment types, species and countries. Dr. Poon's goal is to provide appropriate health care and good enrichment for the animals while they are in the shelter. Dr. Poon has an infectious passion and speaks candidly about what she sees in today's veterinary industry. Marginalization in the workplace, euthanasia and work-life balance are just a few of the hot topics we are covering on this episode.
Dr. Poon has a passion for volunteers, being an avid volunteer herself, as well as creating and supporting multiple other agencies such as the I Have A Dream Foundation and the Pets for Life Program. In addition to openly sharing her vast amount of experience, in this episode, Dr. Poon also gives us some tips on learning from your mistakes, recognizing that everyone has bad days, and pushing the line to see what more you can do for your patients.
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"The great thing about being a veterinarian - and all the veterinarians know - is you are very flexible with your career. You learn on the job, you learn from other people, so you can pick up new skills and do different things as a veterinarian" (7:11)
"Education is really, really important for me. So when coming here [to the Denver Animal Shelter], when I saw that we are really short staffed, one of the things was, well we need to expand our outreach in the community, and educate not just the next generation but also for them to see if this is something they really want to do." (18:29)
"We are very, very privileged, absolutely. And as long as we understand that we are privileged, and everybody has a bad day, and it's okay to say 'we just can't do this today', right. That's absolutely okay. But overall, appreciating the opportunities we have and sometimes we have to make some sacrifices to really absorb the experience and that's okay, but just realizing that." (22:46)
"I also liked shelter medicine because I knew it incorporated everything. You know you get a chance to do emergency, shelter medicine, hurt health, a lot of public health and also surgery as well, a larger volume of surgery. So that was what was really interesting to me." (38:34)
"I think with everything I have done, ranging from basic research to teaching high school to going back to get my PhD, and then the different fields of veterinary medicine that I have done, it's really given me all the skill set that I need to grow this position and grow this program and help with the growth of the shelter." (41:27)
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For many of us, we know we want a career working with animals, but vet school isn't always a fit. Today, Elizabeth Downing shares her story of finding an alternative path into the industry as a veterinary technician rather than attending vet school.
Elizabeth is a certified vet tech, has worked at varying levels of the industry including at the University level, private practice and the ER. After deciding vet school wasn't the right choice for her, she enrolled in veterinary technician school and has never looked back. Elizabeth has made a successful career of being a veterinary nurse and has found passion and longevity in the field, especially when dealing with anesthetics.
Elizabeth dives deep into what factors aided her decision in leaving veterinary school, the differences between the two curriculums, and how to get through high-pressure scenarios when on the floor dealing with anesthesia. Elizabeth advocates for getting your hands dirty, learning by practicing and her tips on how to be a better nurse and technician. She preaches the importance of having a support system, why you need to constantly communicate with your doctor, and ways you can step up your physical exams.
If you aren't sure about it taking the step towards a career as a vet technician is right for you, are looking for ways to create a supportive nurse to nurse, or nurse to doctor relationship in your veterinary culture, or are just looking for an honest and open discussion about the highs and lows of the veterinary career, Elizabeth is here to make sure you know you are not alone!
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"I just really appreciated how we can take care of animals as well as taking care of people. And animals tend to forgive a lot better." (5:33)
"I like to get my hands dirty. I'm not one that likes to sit at a desk and write down a lot of things, I like to be the one digging my hands in the animal. Giving them hugs, giving them what they need. So being a technician fit that perfectly cause I could get my hands dirty and then I can go home, and I'm good." (6:31)
"If I can learn one thing every day, one thing new or relearn one thing and add to my knowledge base, it's a good day. If I screwed up, if I can learn from that and learn one thing new from that, it's a good day." (17:03)
"I imagine if you get four anesthesia nurses in a room and you could have four right ways to do something… knowing the drugs, knowing what they do, knowing what's good and what's bad. Because there is no perfect anesthetic drug, they all have their pros and their cons." (39:38)
"I think I fell into something that I just really love to do and love continuing to learn about… And even now I still try and learn something new. And there are so many areas in veterinary medicine that I still don't know very much about and I want to learn a little bit more. Or I want to gain or become better at what I do, within the boundaries of still enjoying my family and still enjoying my life." (55:52)
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Two of the most common holdups potential students have before applying to vet school are how to make sure your application stands out, and whether or not vet school is the right path for you in the first place. Today, Gretchen Delcambre, director of vet school admissions to Colorado State answers everything you need to know before you submit your application to vet school.
Gretchen describes the application process, how to set your application apart from the crowd, and why grades aren't everything. Gretchen focuses on Colorado State's selection process and the criteria they are looking for, breaks down how they narrow down the 2200 annual candidates, and the importance of hearing the whole story of an applicant. She will put to rest your worries about having a perfect 4.0 GPA, why you should focus on what makes you different and highlights the other things on your application that can be even more important than grades.
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"Even though I didn't know exactly what I wanted to do, it was just going to open more doors. So that's why I jumped into vet med." (6:49)
"When this admissions position came up there was someone who sort of rang the bell and said 'hey you should really look at this' and I did and it was the right fit for me because the admissions position, I am really advocating for our profession and needing a diverse group of students coming in to go and fill all the crazy niches in the profession" (23:14)
"Part of our holistic process is we can look at stories even within transcripts. We understand that sometimes college is a hard transition for students coming out of high school. So sometimes you might not rock out those A's and B's in the first semester or second semester. What we are looking for is those upper division sciences… we are really looking at upper trends towards those last years. It's not about that shiny 4.0 it's more about the growth." (30:49)
"Once you get into vet school, take that pressure off yourself, it's about learning the material not making the grades." (34:38)
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A city boy from Denver who found his calling dealing with livestock in Gunnison, CO, Dr. Tim Holt has been challenging the status quo in the veterinary world for years. Having never touched a horse or a cow until veterinary school in 1984, Dr. Holt spent the beginning of his career treating livestock while researching Pulmonary Hypertension in bulls and cattle. Since 2004 Dr. Holt has been working with large animal livestock at the Veterinary Teaching Hospital at CSU, and mentoring his students.
Dr. Holt believes in focusing on client relationships, helping students understand ranch work, and helping them navigate how exactly a veterinarian survives in this world. Dr. Holt encourages his mentees to find things that they are passionate about and enjoy doing while enjoying the people you work with, which he assures us is the key to a long and happy career. In addition to his career history, we discuss the new trend of specialization, acupuncture and chiropractic treatment for livestock, and Dr. Holt's surprising collection of tattoos.
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"To be honest I went through vet school knowing that I would be a small animal practitioner, but yet chase the bulls with pulmonary hypertension. That was my big goal." (9:38)
"I went from a job that I truly, truly, loved to a new job I truly, truly, love. Because even though it's not mixed animal and I miss the small animal practice, I now hang out with youth every day. And the vet students are a joy I am passionately thrilled for them and I can't say enough about the excitement the vet students give to me." (30:54)
"If you keep adding to your world and you keep looking to do new things and you keep adding to your education and you never stop, I don't know how you get bored with that." (44:12)
"If somebody came to me and said 'should I be a veterinarian?' I'm going 'there is no better profession'" (56:49)
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As you probably know, getting into vet school is no easy task. After years of struggling to find a school, Dr. Sara Sheltren made the alternative choice to accept a spot at ROSS Veterinary School on the island of St. Kitts. The next 3 years were filling with the realities of working in clinics that are not guided by American conveniences. This one of a kind experience led to Sara and her classmates gaining resilience, knowledge, and perseverance that would be hard to come by through traditional schooling.
Dr. Sheltren took her expertise and transitioned into working in relief work in Vancouver, Washington. She has mastered the art of 'freelance veterinarian' and provides relief to 6+ clinics in the Vancouver, WA area. Dr. Sheltren talks about stress, finances, how and what to prioritize when working in the industry and the challenges and rewards of leaving your comfort zone.
If you are considering a career in relief work, have an interest in ROSS Veterinary school and island living, or are just looking for some advice on how to transition from applicant to student to practitioner, this episode is for you.
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"Those rejection letters were rolling in and I had people that I knew trying to tell me that it's time to give up, which I understand because 3 years [applying to vet school] in a row is kinda hard to stomach. But [ROSS] was presented as an opportunity for me to go to vet school, a huge adventure to go to St. Kitts, so I should do it, why not, I can pursue my dream and have this adventure." (9:25)
"I think ROSS students just learn so much resilience. It was a pretty normal occurrence to be sitting in lectures taking a test and the lights would go out, it was just normal. What a great learning experience as a veterinarian." (22:16)
"I think as vets we want to be perfect, we want to devote our lives to our jobs, and that's not always the right thing to do." (38:38)
"At first it was just a lot of sending our resumes, a lot of interviews, most relief vets are just doing this on their own, there isn't an agency we would go through like nurses have, I get asked that question all the time. So, it was just basically trying to find new jobs all the time, that was hard at first. But once I got my foot in the door it's been great because I have a lot of clinics that ask me back, so it's sort of like having a lot of little part-time jobs." (58:28)
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For a lot of people unfamiliar with the pet oncology space, it comes as a surprise that pets can develop the exact same strains of cancer that humans do. Perhaps even more surprising however is that in many cases, research into cancer treatment for dogs in particular could be the missing link between mice and humans. At the forefront of this research which has already boasted many breakthroughs into both human and animal treatment, is today's guest, Dr. Christine Hardy.
Christine has done enough already to fill multiple lifetimes, with masters degrees in both business and public health, she was formerly the Co-Director of the DBM/MBA combined program at CSU, has served as Senior Director of professional veterinary medicine student services at CSU, and is not the Director of Operations and Strategy at the Flint Animal Cancer Center at the CSU Veterinary Teaching Hospital. Oh, and she's also an entrepreneur, and has worked in human health education as well as international wildlife conservation.
Phew!
Today she shares her personal story of what led her into cancer research and treatment, the links between animal and human diseases, and how veterinarians and physicians are working together extensively to improve outcomes for both human and animal patients.
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"Most of the things that I've done, haven't necessarily been part of the plan. Opportunities just presented themselves or there was a fork in the road and I took it, and it's been an incredible privilege honor and a tremendous amount of fun." (3:26)
"We've asked [pet owners], 'why do you enroll your pets in a clinical trial?' for the most part, they all do it for altruistic reasons. They want to do something to contribute to the science. Everybody's been affected by cancer." (24:20)
"I think a lot of times we don't necessarily know what other people see in us. He must've seen something, I sure knew that it was a great opportunity and that I wasn't going to let him down." (41:25)
"To get to veterinary medicine, there's a path that you have to go down, there are certain things that you have to achieve to get where you're going, so I think so many of us are really goal-oriented. And I think at some point I've learned to actually be ok with not knowing exactly where I'm going and that opportunities will present themselves." (43:15)
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Today we're diving deep into the ins and outs of equestrian care with Dr. Erin Crawford. Erin's journey has taken her from rancher to fellow 2006 Colorado State Alumni to owner of her own veterinary practice. Focusing on horses and other large animals, Dr. Crawford has found her calling in the challenge of equestrian care and shares her passion and no-nonsense attitude with us today.
Dr. Crawford has a reputation for being an open book with no filter, and her direct communication is a breath of fresh air surrounding the trials, tribulations, and achievements in veterinarian care. Being grateful for your team and knowing what you are passionate about are just a few of Dr. Crawford's tips for us all. Reflecting on joy, life, career and the unexpected paths we all take, listen in for our reunion and some tips on how to survive the world of equine practice.
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"I had never worked a day in a clinic before I applied to veterinary school… So I applied thinking perfect, I'll apply a few times, maybe go back and get my Masters, and then apply again later. [I thought] I have a lot of time to screw off… and then I got in." (17:22)
"In whatever you do moving forward you have to plan for succession of your practice, that's the reality, whether you're on the first year or the fiftieth year, every step you make you want to improve it so that someone else will buy it from you, because it's a big investment." (40:59)
"You want to make sure that your patients get the best possible care. And like most veterinarians, you lie awake at night worrying if you did the right thing or what else could you have done or what did you miss. And if you can't turn your brain off sometimes it consumes you." (45:50)
"I don't hire my techs based on if they are certified, I hire them for their horse handling skills. I want somebody who can read that horse and decide if it's going to paw me in the face, if it's going to rear or if it's going to let me inject its hawks or whatever, I need someone who is a horseman more than a technician" (52:38)
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Today we're having a look inside the mind of today's veterinary student. Dr. Laurie Fonken focuses on helping students take care of themselves throughout the stressful journey of veterinary schooling and she speaks about the importance of bravery, self-love and the relief of having someone to talk to.
Dr. Fonken is the Director of Counseling and Wellness Programs for the College of Veterinary Medicine and Biomedical Sciences at Colorado State University, in addition to being a member of the AVMA Roundtable and Veterinary Mental Health Professionals. Through her position, she provides counseling services for DVM students experiencing academic hardships, situational issues, crises or mental-health concerns. In addition, she is also a member of the AVMA Roundtable.
Dr. Fonken also runs Healer's Art at CSU. This 15-hour elective enables the formation of community and strives to help students care for their souls. She shares how having a non-judgmental outlet to help overcome the struggles of being a student, and a practitioner can drastically help improve your overall wellbeing.
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"If people are suffering or struggling it's great to offer the support they need. And if we can offer that while they are in school and they can access it and overcome the stigma of seeking help and support, it gives them a solid foundation to leave the program and move into practice." (7:52)
"What would it be like to be able to just share [traumatic moments] and have a supportive environment… How can we move forward and embrace one another in those difficult times and be able to move forward from that and be better?" (25:18)
"Most times people just need to be heard. Not evaluated, judged or fixed, just 'here is my story'." (29:49)
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