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Franciscan Spirituality Center
920 Market Street
La Crosse, WI 54601

Steve Spilde: Welcome. I am excited today because my guest is Linda Kerrigan, one of the very wise mentors in my life. She is a friend. She was a long-term teammate. We worked together in the Spiritual Direction and Preparation Program. If there is anything I know about spiritual direction, chances are it came to me through Linda. It’s my sincere pleasure to be joined by her today. Welcome, Linda.

Linda Kerrigan: Thank you, Steve. I am happy and honored to be invited for this opportunity. It means a lot to me.

Steve: Since I’ve given you credit for teaching me about spiritual direction, I’d like to hear from you. Describe your understanding of what spiritual direction is, and what it is that you do when you’re sitting with someone.

Linda: I think over the years we’ve often been asked in our Ministry of Spiritual Direction that question; basically, what the heck am I doing? And what is this that we call ‘spiritual direction?’ I think a very simple and basic description I read – and I like it very much – [is], spiritual direction is walking home together. Walking home together. That brings to mind the _____ story where the disciples were walking and Jesus showed up along the way. That is what happens in spiritual direction. It’s not just walking together, but it’s joining heart-to-heart, being open to your own vulnerability and that of the other person. It’s about sharing compassion. As a spiritual director, it’s about inviting the person to be in touch with their inner wisdom. I think more often than not, people do not credit themselves with having a deep well of wisdom. Sometimes, just putting words and language around that [and] get a person[’s] lightbulb to go off. [It’s like], ‘oh, really? You think I have something inside me? Of course you do, because God has placed it there for you to access. It’s a profound experience. It’s meeting a person on sacred ground, honoring that sacred ground, and inviting them to share their story in a way that, I’m their spiritual director to receive that story, hold that story, honor it, and assure my directee that yours is a sacred story.

Steve: Spiritual direction – can you break that down for me, just the words. Or Spiritual Director – what’s your understanding of what we’re talking about when we use the word ‘spiritual?’ And what’s your understanding of the word ‘director?’

Linda: ‘Spiritual’ goes way beyond the confines of religion. Spiritual, to me, is in the everyday sacred. Spiritual has to do with the notion or the belief that all are connected. When I was on retreat once, it was a very profound peace that my Spiritual Director offered me, and that is God is everywhere. And not only everywhere, but equally everywhere. And also beyond that, that God is within us. When I think about spiritual versus religion, to me, religion is limiting and confining. Spiritual embraces all and wholeness and possibility and wonder and awe and concepts that we haven’t even imagined. It’s very embracing. It’s inclusive. It’s for everyone to make some kind of connection. Again, I think religion is more confining and associated with church buildings and dogma and rules and so on. That’s what spiritual means for me, and the other is as I sat and thought about spiritual and spirituality, I don’t think I had that word in my vocabulary until I was in my 50s. And I think what helped me have a greater understanding of spiritual, spirituality was the programming, the relationships through the Franciscan Spirituality Center. That was a wonderful invitation and an opportunity for immersion for myself to expand my understanding of what spiritual means.

Steve: As your understanding of spirituality started to evolve, in what ways did your life change? Or in what ways did you start to practice your spirituality in new...

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La Crosse Wisconsin is a great place to work and play lacrosse. Vision 2020 podcast this month featuring Ian Turner from the La Crosse Regional Airport

Franciscan Spirituality Center
920 Market Street
La Crosse, WI 54601
Welcome to the Franciscan Spirituality Center in La Crosse, Wisconsin’s, What is Spirituality podcast. Your host, Steve Spilde, is the associate director at the Center. His guests talk about their evolving understanding of God. My name is Steve Spilde, and today I’m meeting with Barb Kruse. Welcome, Barb. Thanks, Steve. Good to be here. We've known each other for about five years. We met before when we were part of the Spiritual Direction Preparation Program and that is a program of the Franciscan Spirituality Center and you were on the staff long before I joined the staff of the FSC. So, could you tell me when you joined the staff of the Center and, what brought you here. Sure. So, I knew about the Center and have been part of Spirituality Center long before I started working on staff and probably I think I began coming to the Center maybe in the ‘90s and looking for spiritual direction. I remember coming to an Enneagram program. I was connected with the Franciscan Sisters of Perpetual Adoration, the FSPA, through my husband, Joe's, work at the hospital so we were connected to the sisters in that way because the sisters were sponsors of the Franciscan or St. Francis at that time, so I know a lot of the sisters. I knew about the Center and just felt the draw to come here. So, I would guess that was probably through than ‘90s that I started coming to the Center again for programs and also spiritual direction. With that came an invitation to think about and consider the Spiritual Direction Preparation Program, and I listened to that invitation and it felt right for me and so I started the program I think it was like in, gosh, 1999 maybe, and then finished the program in 2001 or 2002, somewhere in there. Those are the dates that I was part of the part of the program. So, then that connected me to the Center in an even a greater way, but I did not come to work at the Spirituality Center probably until about maybe in 2007 or 2008, I came on just to work on a Venture Grant that the Center had received from the Franciscan Sisters, from the FSPA, to have a Franciscan fest so we created this festival and I was part of that planning and I did that and then what surfaced from that experience was a part-time position on staff in spiritual direction and then eventually leading into being director of the Spiritual Direction Preparation Program and being here for 10 years after that time, knowing you Steve for half that time. That's a long version of long story. No, it’s all good. You mentioned coming for spiritual direction and being involved in providing spiritual direction. For people who are new to that, how would you describe spiritual direction? There are so many definitions of spiritual direction, probably that the one that would come to mind first and foremost would be spiritual direction as an opportunity to sit in the sacred setting with another person who will listen deeply, compassionately, nonjudgmentally to your deeper story . We hear a lot about each other's stories throughout our days. There's a lot of our story that we keep hidden, and that deeper story is a story that when we do share it, and in a spiritual direction setting, it opens us up to tapping into our truer and authentic self, which I believe is our God self and our spirit self. And with that ability and opportunity to do that we find, at least I found, that I become more connected. This flow of love, of what I would call God, other religions would call it something different, that is always calling me more deeply and to love and have compassion for myself and for the world around me, so spiritual direction can offer that place to understand our belovedness and free us from the wounds of our deeper story and help us be more connected to all of creation, which we already are. We just don't really get it most the time. Do you remember the first time you went to spiritual...

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La Crosse Wisconsin is a great place to work and play lacrosse. Vision 2020 podcast this month featuring Char Wegner from the La Crosse recycling department. I first met Char nine years ago, eight, nine years ago when the city of La Crosse first started talking about bringing the garbage carts out and bring the recycling carts out and I thought to myself there's no way that these things can be great, Char. You told me when he came in to talk to me my radio show that these things can be fantastic and I won't regret it. Just what Char you are absolutely 100% right. I love them. I really like them AI with a nonbeliever off and he actually may bring one surprise and I went from having six garbage cans a week to one garbage spin and one recycle bin and honestly my recycle bin fills up just as fast or faster than the garbage men. So let's talk about the recycling. So how are we supposed recycle etc. people say you're supposed to put everything into a bag and dump it in there that I've heard that you're not supposed to do that. What's the true city of La Crosse rules Char when it comes to recycling bins should be loose in your car to be cleaned lead and cart carrying out that is collected get transferred to tears. They stepped out that's not really like about that were putting in. It goes through a variety of different ways and Then that separate that then also that they were putting including the bank that we get to like the Walmart whenever they get entangled in the equipment that sets down the equipment we supposed to do with those bags because we all have a ton of them take them, is to have them or Walmart usually have somewhere that you can have them recycle based on them somebody I know that when we got a fact that the pain is there that says make a part. So whenever we go to the grocery store. My husband always said grab the bag they need to make crackdowns. Char Wegner's are just this month, the recycling coordinator for the city of La Crosse was talk about the bins because those bins are fantastic but how do you know that the bin that's in front of my garage is the bin that was assigned to me that question. We have been very busy making sure that everyone has the correct part did you know that when the cards were delivered. They were and find herself number on the front of your cart that identifies your personal let's say over your house. You call me and say carts missing or my carts not the right one. It's a smaller cart or like a car you can ask us what your current numbers are and will give it to you and is not right. Well, I sent letters out to the neighborhood sure how to get hold of the recycling office so that we can check her cards to make sure it right once you can contact us at 608 7897508 people getting new beds all the time when we supposed to do with her old mattresses because I know that we had our large pickup a couple of months ago and I saw a bunch of beds out there then but what are you supposed to do during the rest of the year recycling, which is part of seven rivers, recycling, recycle the mattresses so what you need to do is take them out to the county rank fell and Connie ran so that you want it to be recycled and not land so they will have a specific spot that you can have that taken care of three dollars cheaper than landfilling on wait wait wait wait wait so stupid recycle that it is a throw away a lot of people don't know that Char know they don't. It is so interesting to see how there is Michael they have staff that go in and tear the bedding and they reuse and screensaver use the word that matches had most of those items I got bailed. And then there's that recycle your vision 2020 conversations with department heads from the city of La Crosse is a podcast for hire.com production. For more information about La crosse, visit the website city of La Crosse website www.cityoflacrosse.org

Chris Jones is well known for his appearance on America’s Got Talent when he made the impossible happen: Known germaphobe Howie Mandel shook hands with Heidi, Howard, and Mel live. Since his first TV appearance, Chris has performed on shows like The Steve Harvey Show, Windy City Live, Good Day Chicago, Penn and Teller, Scam School, and the Adam Carolla Show.

Franciscan Spirituality Center
920 Market Street
La Crosse, WI 54601

Steve Spilde: My name is Steve Spilde. Today I’m here with Vince Hatt, the longtime director of the Franciscan Spirituality Center. Tell me about your work at the Spirituality Center, and maybe specifically your understanding of what the Spirituality Center is all about.

Vince Hatt: I started out as basically the Spiritual Director. From there I eventually became Director of the Spiritual Director and Preparation Program, and I eventually became Director. My purpose, I think – one of the main ones, anyway – was to provide a safe place for people to explore the big questions of life. It gave me the most joy when I saw people ask themselves the hard questions and go deeper.

Steve: Tell me how you came to the Franciscan Spirituality Center.

Vince: I was a priest in Iowa for 27 years. I resigned in 1993. I called Mary Katherine to basically cancel during a retreat because I was no longer going to be a priest, and she said, ‘Would you like to work here?’ I said, ‘Sure.’ She said, ‘Well, that’s good.’ Then I said, ‘How do I apply?’ She said, ‘You’re the only applicant.’ So I resigned on August 15th, 1993 and started here September 7th, 1993. I worked here until I retired.

Steve: We’re going to circle back to that, how you ended up here and how you resigned from the priesthood. But I want to find out how you entered the priesthood in the first place. Let’s kind of rewind the tape to the beginning of your life. Tell me who Vince was as a young boy, and how you ended up becoming a priest.

Vince: As a young boy, my purpose was to be successful. I not only wanted to be a good student, I wanted to be valedictorian of the class.

Steve: Did you succeed?

Vince: Yes, of course. When I put my energy into something, it was focused. Then I not only wanted to be the best long-distance runner my school, I wanted to be the best in the conference. My focus was always on succeeding. Another question that arose pretty early is, what is my purpose? I’m a goal-setter, so what’s my purpose? On October 4th, 1957, I was on my way to a cross country meet in Ames, Iowa, and [there] was breaking news. They didn’t use that term as frequently as they do now, but the breaking news was that the Russians had sent up the first space satellite, Sputnik, and then right away I knew my purpose was to catch up with the Russians in space. Because of my record, I was offered a full-ride scholarship to Notre Dame in physics and math. I thought that was my purpose. I didn’t particularly enjoy it, but you know, what am I supposed to do? Well, that was the environment, so I did that until the third year. I was taking a course called “Quantum Mechanics,” and about halfway through the course I thought, ‘You know, maybe someone else can help the United States catch up with the Russians in space.’ I pulled out of that, and then the last year at Notre Dame I was thinking about, what was my purpose? I decided the church needs priests [and] somebody’s got to do it. I was always kind of the guy [who said], ‘Somebody’s got to do it. I would.’ That had good results in some areas, like when I was in high school [and] I got elected to any position, usually I didn’t volunteer. They would come to me and I would say, ‘Somebody’s got to do it.’ That was kind of the person I was, and that’s how I ended up a priest.

Steve: What was your experience in the church when you were young?

Vince: When I was young, I grew up in an Italian family and the church was very important. I would go to church all the time with my grandparents and my parents. I think my first purpose in the church was to get to heaven. That was my spirituality. That worked pretty well until I hit adolescence. Then I thought, ‘This is not so easy.’ Pretty much the whole thing was getting to...

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37 years in the education business and the lasting a last dozen or so into working in administration probably didn't see this coming at all. At the at the end of your career for sure. As we look at this and we look at the on the pandemic of a look at the school closings that we've had what you think. You think will be different in the future. Randy because of this I wish I knew. I wish I could provide everyone with a really clear description of what this is going to be like I can't and I think that one thing is really it's becoming clear to me though is that it's never to be the same it. If this is our education and the way we do education the way we see education is never going to be the same essay that the most simple way because I do believe that even though our work in remote learning. We jumped into that and at times may be haphazard and not at the same level of quality. Perhaps others of face-to-face classroom. We also know that we've got. We have some some students out there. We have some families out there that like that stay like that method of delivery and usually we leave kind of remote learning and online learning as an option that we think about after everything else has failed. Well, you could try reading on that strontium online and I think it's time for us to make sure as we talk about us being the school district of choice to make sure that a remote learning opportunity is considered a viable part of education. When I extrapolate that out into the future. Just a little bit. Part of the immediate future is you don't goodness. What we do in July we got summer school and we have two schools that are on your own calendars and what's going to happen with them in July. Are we gonna be able to start school with them in July so that's one of the that's one of the upcoming questions that were having to answer were just waiting for the next kinds we want to know more about okay, what's after this current safer at home, executive order, there's gotta be something there, since you gotta be some sort of a statement that says okay here's the pattern that were in now until further notice, or until a particular date summer, waiting for that shoe to drop, so that we know better how is this can impact you live in summer school on your own calendars. I have to tell you I also think that even when we get to September. Not so certain that schools can be the same way in September is that as it was last September. To be honest with you, and I think we have to prepare ourselves for that and you know there's a whole process of gotta go through the grieving process when you realize that it's knocking to be the same, but I think once you get through that process. You also then can quickly move in the process of a gate what you can be and what's our opportunity where are we and what how can we make this great because I still think inside of a really huge challenge that were in right now. There's always opportunity our administrative team is been meeting virtually three times per week. I'd be lying if I told you that I love these virtual meetings in my face-to-face guy myself, but I'm getting really tired of these virtual meetings, but else I will be got a good group of folks and what were talking about is Chris trying to extrapolate out to the fall what you know what could this mean so were actually starting to run some scenarios, what would it be like for instance if we had to do school in the fall and we had to do social distancing can we even do it so we been exploring models. For instance, and the models of you in exploring that might be. We arty have a six day cycle ABC DEF you help and so on may be. As it turns out just so that we can only have 1/3 of the students in the school buildings at any one time that students come to school maybe two out of the six days and then their home for out of the six days. Now think about the ramifications for that home, especially if parents are starting themselves if they haven't been working to get themselves back in the workplace and trying to stabilize their homes financially and now 4/6 days. Their children are still going home want to know what is that look like and how how does that work and how do we guarantee which I don't know that we can. How do we guarantee that the parents who do send their children to school in the fall. What will be social distancing. When you've got so many things that are if common need, whether it's general going on the hall are going to use the restroom or it's the media center, or it's the the cafeteria and we would have to re-teach and help think about our kindergarten, first and second graders. Many of them who you know I think we can teach them. Certainly, here's how to do social distancing, and here's all works but since it's a whole new world that we can have to get into if we were to decide that we can even deliver school that way in the fall. I could not imagine having your job at this moment. One of the biggest challenges I think that has come about as a result of all this. Our work in equity to try to bring it together and give every student equal chance equal footing as much as we can. That really took a huge step backwards when we were required to do this now. I think that doing a remote learning situation is better than doing nothing at all, so building the relationships think connected to students is really important. I can imagine the discussion at the state level because at the state level know the guidance that we were given is okay. We need to shut down our schools by whatever date and so school is out will put in the place a lot of contingencies so that you can don't have to worry about the hours and minutes in meeting those but bargain-hunting over to shut this down what you realize that when we shut it down. Think about statewide. The number of school districts who were not able to do anything when it comes to remote learning. Maybe they're able to do some connecting and just some relationship building, but because of their circumstances or because they don't have the robust technology supports that we do here in the cross the Internet. For instance, just think about how all of a sudden students don't have access and so I think that what one of the things that has happened. State level and it translates into local level is you really see even clearer the discrepancies and also the inequities that are there. If we don't have school face-to-face if we don't have school to gather everyone coming together somehow because they're there and every home has a different learning environment. Some homes have environment that are really plush with books and supports in moms and dads that are there to help and others don't. That's no fault of the parents as much as it is a circumstance that makes it really sometimes more difficult for a child to have the resources at his or her fingertips to be able to do the homework and support the homework

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Thanks Randy, you know the challenges of the kids and the families are dealing with nowadays is a lot different than what I had to deal with with my other children as they were getting close to graduation. I got twins are graduating this year and is still, it's been different. I feel bad for the seniors in high school this year and I feel bad for the underclassmen as well because they don't have the opportunity to kinda learn from the older kids as their wrapping up the school year and I'm sure that you're probably seeing that throughout the entire school district in Trenton throughout the entire state throughout the entire country right now as we as kids are getting ready to ramp up for their next piece of life, but they haven't really had the chance to turn the pages of the last few chapters of this part of their life. Think this is one of the big challenges that were that everyone is having a not just here in our district but all over the place now and then that really is a lot about how do we come to closure. But how do we help our students come to closure. How do we get them poised and ready for the coming school year and there's a so many questions that go alongside of that. But what were looking at so many different perspectives to end the school year and in this, the graduation piece is one of the one that they were taking a look at now I we've Artie decided this. That's the best closing of summer school for June. That was rather easy to do because we were pretty much required to do that based on the last ordered that Gov. universe of made it doesn't require us to completely close school, but it does require us not to have face-to-face school through June 30. And so we will continue to support learners in this remote learning environment which some learners are finding really good works well for them and others are thinking. Boy that's not that's not gonna work well for me. So some of the face-to-face and small group things in the enrichment kinds of opportunities that we've typically had for June are not going to happen this year as a result of summer school and I were taking a look at July and getting into the July piece and we have not made any decisions in July and July happens to be our most prolific month when it comes to summer school about 80 different courses were running in July. Many of them good hands-on face-to-face kinds of classes and so we don't know the full disposition of that were moving forward and asking people to register as they have always registered for summer school, but it's very possible that summer school in July could be in jeopardy, as well. As we move forward. Read over were waiting for, the next shoe to drop on the state level or the county level or someone is okay, here's what's going to work. Now here's what we do love now here's of the, here's when the numbers are hears of the metrics are and so now here's what we can do next and so come to closure. I think has been a challenge for us. We are doing some adjusting with our curriculum as our teachers made this change from the classroom into the online environment they really had to step back our curriculum folks. We took the time to step back and say okay probably in this environment. This remote learning environment. The coverage of curriculum is not gonna be as broad as it would've been if we would've had you in classroom so actually what they did is they started working on what we would call power standards. No these are the tested standards. The most important standards that we have at the state level in each one of our content areas. Each grade level and support and have a focus on these and then what were trying to do is to make sure that we have a good degree of communication in place for the teachers for the students in the upcoming year so that they can catch up and they can they can pick up with some of the contents of the just a lot of pieces in this closure piece that need to happen, we see the school you're kind of ending now, but the kids that are finishing up the school year is here finishing up six grade now and the moving into seventh grade. There's probably going to be more of a ramp at the beginning of the school year next year to get the kids back into being in a classroom. I think we be kidding ourselves if we said that there wasn't going to be a lag but we certainly anticipate that the students who were sixth-graders this year are going to go on to grade 7 next year. We also know that due to this gap that we have in April and May of this year there's going to be a little bit a lag of the content and that's what were trying to make sure that we establish and that we document and communicate so that our teachers next year. Have a good chance to move this forward. I think our biggest challenge here along the way as we bring closure to this is there are some students who, despite our best of intentions have not reconnected with us since since March and so in a work and have to be talking a little bit there about what what and how. How do we help you reconnect and how does June look for you because we may have to do some online things in some remote things in June and maybe even July for you to be as ready as other students for our next fall

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Thanks, Randy and his podcast and hoping you can give me your thoughts on academies. We talked about that in the past but exactly what makes an academy on a particular school district. We been working on academies mostly for grades 11 and 12. Probably her most prolific Academy. There is the health science Academy that's in its 10th year and I really started with conversations with folks at Gunderson and also with folks at mail and quickly turned into follow-up conversations with our higher end partners including UW well the turbo and Western what we did as we pulled together and experience for students in grades 11 and 12. It provides an opportunity for them to really good practical hands-on experience in the areas of the health science but we also have a construction academy and we also have an engineering Academy this year for the first times are really excited about these opportunities for students a couple of critical things that really need to happen inside of an Academy model forest. First some sort of a career focus. It's really helping our students get themselves immersed in a career or careers and help them sort out a little bit in their heads. Okay, I've experienced this enough. I don't want to do this or I love this and this is exactly what I want to do for it to be interdisciplinary is also important. We don't want them to take a class on health science just to take a class in health science we really want there to be some connections with other areas, whether it be mathematics or social studies or English language arts or science if it makes sense or physics, so we always want there to be some ways that the teachers who are involved in the program can collaborate with one another and they can provide lessons from several different perspectives of the children they go through the academies. They get all their regular classes even though they gone the Academy they still can graduate with the kids. They started kindergarten with absolutely. So what we've done is we've taken our English 11 English 12 classes to get brought right into an Academy situation. The teachers are given the opportunity that make changes to that curriculum to make it work inside of that particular Academy. So if the students are still getting their English credit there still getting a math credit and they might be getting this career in tech and credit that they're involved with, as well. Salted brings all the pieces together keeps a student on track to graduate but it brings a flavor of that work inside of it so it mathematics. For instance, think of all the mathematics you might find in a construction academy, especially in geometry, so the students are getting credit for that mathematics and while at the same time they're getting credit for understanding of the construction side of it and the safety side of it and how to build things, etc. maybe the physics out of it. There are a lot of components that all come together and students are getting multiple credit for doing this one thing inside of the Academy, which is typically two and half hours or so every morning is part of the schedule a couple of my children have gone to the construction academy at Central High School will now as a union carpenter. The other one graduates in 2020 and is interested in getting into construction as well because of the love of construction that they both learn through going to school. While this is what's really cool I think about the academies because not only is it about pulling together these content areas in math and science, and English language arts with something that's connected to a career, but it also allows some of our staff who really love these kinds of opportunities I can think of our teacher in the construction academy. I get tired. He loves this work and he loves being out at a site in working with the city to acquire this property in a build a house on this property and make this happen. P is in his element. When that happens. And even though sometimes he's got 16, 18 or 20 students walking around overexcited one time and people are using saws and power to other power tools. It's amazing what he gets done and he's in his element and he loves it so it's not just about the students having a good experience in connecting all these pieces it's about a teacher and teachers connected to this were also saying I love doing this. This is my passion. This is what I love to do regular talk about the success of these academies. We've had with school District of La Crosse. What kind of proof. Have you had that that these are working but you, especially in our health science Academy where we have most of our documented success. It's just about every single student when they graduate out of that health science Academy. They are pursuing some sort of a health related career and just about every student also receives some sort of a scholarship to help pursue that career moving forward if we use that is at least one of the litmus tests we really are burring the interest of students were helping them sort through opportunities and then helping them get on a path and bolt up the experience that they can get from the beginning to the end of a career pathway inside of that area sweetheart what engineering we talked about health science. We talked about construction academy any types of academies going forward. Really what we been doing is exploring some sort of a future teacher Academy. This is an area that we see is a challenge for us in education is having teachers ready to go, especially in some areas of licensure. Teachers are really difficult to find and so this could really make for us a chance to connect with students to tap a student on his shoulder see what kind of interest they may have when it comes to teaching and encourage those students with our own mentors to be able to have them be teachers anything amiss and I would say that another really important part when we put together academies to make sure that there are off-site learning experiences. We want to make sure that students are getting a chance to actually experience this kind of work hands-on outside of their high schools and someplace embedded inside of our community and in order to do that it brings on another part of our elements and that is to mature, that we have community business partners along the way. That's where students are getting the most hands-on experience sometimes is connecting and working with people who are doing these things for a living on a day in day out basis