In this two-part episode, we're exploring apocalyptic tendencies and ideologies during the COVID-19 pandemic. Life during the pandemic has been a long journey of loss, illness, and challenge. Although the vaccine offers hope for the future, many feel as though they're living through the apocalypse. Where do these ideas come from? What sources are being drawn upon in these ideas? To address these questions, we interviewed two scholars who study the book of revelation, biblical literature, and apocalyptic tendencies.