This podcast explores the perception of Phil Collins as a "commercial" artist by examining his solo career and his role in Genesis. It traces his musical journey from his early days to the 1990s, analyzing his commercial successes and critical acclaim. The author seeks to nuance this label by highlighting the complexity of his music, his diverse collaborations, and the context of the 1980s, when his omnipresence in the media may have skewed the appreciation of his work. Ultimately, the article argues for a reevaluation of Phil Collins as a talented and respected artist, beyond the clichés of commercial pop.