The brilliant Jon Laubinger joins Scott and John to discuss an unlikely pairing of films that deal with animal cruelty and the question of sentience: James Gunns's 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3' and Robert Bresson's 'Au hasard Balthazar'! They dive into the disturbing imagery in both films and how each filmmaker uses animals to help us find empathy with our fellow humans.

Song clip at the end is from Warren Zevon's "Monkey Wash Donkey Rinse," available on Zevon's 'Mutineer' album and his 'I'll Sleep When I'm Dead Anthology.'