Join hosts E and Tank as they unpack just what it means for music to be "pop." What defines the genre through the ages? Will anyone besides Taylor Swift reach the heights of the great '80s pop icons? Can a couple of grown-ass men like pop music now? Were award shows like the Grammys always doomed to eventually become irrelevant? That, and another edition of the Playlist Challenge, where our hosts come up with playlists that feature songs with animals in the title.

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